Where is Mike Pence? Did he betray his country?

[AUFAN78 4,148]

4 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

I think there’s a difference between hating an ideology and being fearful of… downright creepy.

To be clear, Trump wants utter submission. Ability is irrelevant. Again, when Trump pushed Hershel walker, who literally had brain damage, for nothing else but his obedience -  the only priority is evident.

Any loyalty-test culture like this historically gets more bizarre and inept as time passes. The “cult” term has become tiresome and in some ways isn’t fair, but unfortunately in others it is.

That's a fair take.

[Gowebb11 9,867]

3 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

By the way, did you hear Biden refer to General Lloyd Austin as *the black man* on BET network?

My context for heathy  personal relationships: married to one person for a long time. Had zero to do with Biden and/or a black man. 

[TitanTiger 21,219]

On 7/17/2024 at 11:40 AM, I_M4_AU said:

Need I say more:

 

 

The new GOP:  Integrity and honesty not wanted.

[I_M4_AU 8,914]

4 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

My context for heathy  personal relationships: married to one person for a long time. Had zero to do with Biden and/or a black man. 

Well then, I must have misinterpreted what you were saying.  What do you think of Biden calling an Auburn graduate that he promoted to the head of the milatary *the black man*?

[I_M4_AU 8,914]

1 minute ago, TitanTiger said:

The new GOP:  Integrity and honesty not wanted.

As opposed to a President that picked Kamala Harris as VP and reportedly will not endorse her to replace him if he decides not to run?

Yeah, I’ll take the GOP.

[TitanTiger 21,219]

4 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

As opposed to a President that picked Kamala Harris as VP and reportedly will not endorse her to replace him if he decides not to run?

Yeah, I’ll take the GOP.

You keep responding not with any sort of appeal to widely understood standards of morality and integrity, but with comparisons to the other party.  And perhaps if I was here advocating for the integrity and honesty of Biden or any other Democrat, that would be a good response.  But I'm not, so it isn't.

[I_M4_AU 8,914]

5 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

You keep responding not with any sort of appeal to widely understood standards of morality and integrity, but with comparisons to the other party.  And perhaps if I was here advocating for the integrity and honesty of Biden or any other Democrat, that would be a good response.  But I'm not, so it isn't.

It is understood that there are only two real options in our political system.  Therefore, if you dis on one you are comparing it to the other.  

[TitanTiger 21,219]

7 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

It is understood that there are only two real options in our political system.  Therefore, if you dis on one you are comparing it to the other.  

No, that's just you being lazy.

You keep responding to people pointing out this stuff about Trump and his gangrenous influence on the GOP by saying "well, the Dems are worse."  And that doesn't have anything to do with what people like me, who overwhelmingly support Republican candidates and are center-right to solid right on most issues, are saying about how our party has been ruined and is getting worse.  

Telling me the Dems are awful too, or worse, or Satan incarnate doesn't change a damn thing I said.  I long for the day that Trump is finally off the political stage and his ability to scare conservative politicians into sucking up to him or his agenda fades.  It's been a ruinous relationship since 2016.  People I know who told me all the reasons Bill Clinton was morally unfit to be president chucked every one of those convictions aside the second Trump came along because he was on their team.  That's hypocrisy.  Be consistent and choose men and women to vote for who don't bang porn stars, sexually assault women, cheat on their wives and marry their mistresses, cozy up to autocrats, and behave like a baboon on social media.  We've had good options in all three primaries since 2016 and folks keep choosing to be hypocrites.

If you don't like being called out about it, fine.  But find a better counter than "But the DEMS!!!!"

[AU9377 5,995]

4 hours ago, aubaseball said:

It’s quite funny reading this thread.   All of sudden you want to seem like you care about a republican.   That’s hilarious!    You only say anything about Pence because he didn’t question the results of the election.    Whether or not any choose to admit it, you deep down can’t stand him or any other Republican.   Pence is a firm believer in doing away with abortion and you would go after him if Jan 6 had never happened, just as you would any other Republican.   
To call out any Republican and not call out the same looney tunes Democrats is indicative of the left.   They don’t see the total hypocrisy in any thing that they say.   

Remind me of the time and the sitting President that attempted to overturn the results of an election? A coordinated effort that included fake electors etc.

I may disagree with Mike Pence on a host of social issues, but I respect him as a man.  I believe that he believes he is right and has conviction in those beliefs.  I believe that he would put country before self because he has done so.  More than one thing can be true at the same time.

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48 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Well then, I must have misinterpreted what you were saying.  What do you think of Biden calling an Auburn graduate that he promoted to the head of the milatary *the black man*?

Why do you care what I think about that? How does that possibly impact or concern you? Seriously, why do you assume everyone on the planet knows or cares what Biden does? Why are you so obsessed? 

[I_M4_AU 8,914]

4 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

No, that's just you being lazy.

Are you not being lazy to critique the GOP and not give a viable alternative?  Unless, of course, you do defend the Dems in their effort to oust what you believe is true scourge of the Republican Party.

 

6 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

I long for the day that Trump is finally off the political stage and his ability to scare conservative politicians into sucking up to him or his agenda fades.  It's been a ruinous relationship since 2016.

You will only have to wait either 3 and a half more months or 4 years for your wish to come true.

Your hatred for Trump is obvious and the primaries did not turn up a better option, so are you satisfied with the options we do have?  Biden is senile, his family is as corrupt as they can be and Kennedy has no chance.  Please tell be the better option.

I’m sorry for you that your vision of a Trumpless next four years is crashing and burning, but that is what it looks like at the moment.  It isn’t Trump’s fault the Dems are imploding like the Titan (interesting name) Submersible last June.

It’s not Trump’s fault everyone (other than the Dems) knew Joe was not up to being president even before June 27th.  It’s not Trump’s fault Biden has been a disaster.

If you want to call me out on hating Joe since the day he took office I don’t mind because I have.  He is a disaster and he has lead the country into the position we find ourselves in and your ire should be directed at him

[cbo 8,677]

48 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

It is understood that there are only two real options in our political system.  Therefore, if you dis on one you are comparing it to the other.  

That's simply not true at all. Having problems with Trump does not equate to loving Biden. That's juvenile thinking. 

[I_M4_AU 8,914]

16 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

Why do you care what I think about that? How does that possibly impact or concern you? Seriously, why do you assume everyone on the planet knows or cares what Biden does? Why are you so obsessed? 

Because that man is senile and running the country.  How basic can it be?  People are so concerned about Trump that they give a pass to Biden and the Dems, who have lied to you for years.

[I_M4_AU 8,914]

2 minutes ago, cbo said:

That's simply not true at all. Having problems with Trump does not equate to loving Biden. That's juvenile thinking. 

Ok, who are you voting for if the choice is between Trump and Biden?

[TitanTiger 21,219]

3 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Are you not being lazy to critique the GOP and not give a viable alternative?  Unless, of course, you do defend the Dems in their effort to oust what you believe is true scourge of the Republican Party.

No.  I'm calling the GOP to be actually a good party with leaders of character, not an immoral one whose only appeal is "well, I might be a scumbag but the other guy is worse."

 

3 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

You will only have to wait either 3 and a half more months or 4 years for your wish to come true.

Your hatred for Trump is obvious and the primaries did not turn up a better option

Actually they did, just as they did in 2016 and 2020.  But the sheep keep voting for the wolf anyway.

 

3 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

, so are you satisfied with the options we do have?  Biden is senile, his family is as corrupt as they can be and Kennedy has no chance.  Please tell be the better option.

I’m sorry for you that your vision of a Trumpless next four years is crashing and burning, but that is what it looks like at the moment.  It isn’t Trump’s fault the Dems are imploding like the Titan (interesting name) Submersible last June.

“Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people” (Proverbs 14:34)

Scripture calls on all us to submit ourselves to governing authorities as ministers of the Lord (Romans 13:1; 1 Peter 2:13)

It further says “Whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves” (Romans 13:2)

But also, governing authorities themselves are not exempt from the rule of law and must submit to the nation’s statutes, rather than mocking them (Romans 13:1; 1 Peter 2:14; Proverbs 19:28-29; 2 Samuel 12:7; Mark 6:17-18)

This is the baseline for a Christian approach to politics.

Some are willing to excuse or overlook immoral or illegal conduct by unrepentant public officials so long as the economy seems good, or they get the SCOTUS judges they want, or they have the views they like on immigration, etc.  But tolerance of serious wrong and immoral conduct by leaders scars the conscience of the culture, encourages unrestrained immorality and lawlessness in the society, and will surely result in God’s judgment if we persist in it (1 Kings 16:30; Isaiah 5:18-25).

The bottom line is this:  Moral character matters to God and should matter to all citizens, especially God’s people, when choosing public leaders.  Rather than make excuses when it's "our guy" we should all expect our government leaders to live by the highest standards of morality both in their private actions and in their public duties, and serve as models of moral excellence and character.  Regardless of what the other party does, we are to live by the conviction that character does count in public office, and to elect those officials and candidates who, although imperfect, demonstrate consistent honesty, moral clarity and the honorable character.

[cbo 8,677]

4 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Ok, who are you voting for if the choice is between Trump and Biden?

Honestly, I haven't decided. I'm disgusted by both parties. Might vote for someone else. Definitely won't vote for Trump. 

[I_M4_AU 8,914]

6 minutes ago, cbo said:

Honestly, I haven't decided. I'm disgusted by both parties. Might vote for someone else. Definitely won't vote for Trump. 

I rest my case.

[ArgoEagle 2,044]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

It is understood that there are only two real options in our political system.  Therefore, if you dis on one you are comparing it to the other.  

Awwww man!  Here comes the gang mentality.  You got 4 of em on you now brother.

They have even called  Texas Tiger's evil twin brother Titan Tiger in for reinforcement.

I hope you survive the beating!

[ArgoEagle 2,044]

29 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

No.  I'm calling the GOP to be actually a good party with leaders of character, not an immoral one whose only appeal is "well, I might be a scumbag but the other guy is worse."

 

Actually they did, just as they did in 2016 and 2020.  But the sheep keep voting for the wolf anyway.

 

“Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people” (Proverbs 14:34)

Scripture calls on all us to submit ourselves to governing authorities as ministers of the Lord (Romans 13:1; 1 Peter 2:13)

It further says “Whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves” (Romans 13:2)

But also, governing authorities themselves are not exempt from the rule of law and must submit to the nation’s statutes, rather than mocking them (Romans 13:1; 1 Peter 2:14; Proverbs 19:28-29; 2 Samuel 12:7; Mark 6:17-18)

This is the baseline for a Christian approach to politics.

Some are willing to excuse or overlook immoral or illegal conduct by unrepentant public officials so long as the economy seems good, or they get the SCOTUS judges they want, or they have the views they like on immigration, etc.  But tolerance of serious wrong and immoral conduct by leaders scars the conscience of the culture, encourages unrestrained immorality and lawlessness in the society, and will surely result in God’s judgment if we persist in it (1 Kings 16:30; Isaiah 5:18-25).

The bottom line is this:  Moral character matters to God and should matter to all citizens, especially God’s people, when choosing public leaders.  Rather than make excuses when it's "our guy" we should all expect our government leaders to live by the highest standards of morality both in their private actions and in their public duties, and serve as models of moral excellence and character.  Regardless of what the other party does, we are to live by the conviction that character does count in public office, and to elect those officials and candidates who, although imperfect, demonstrate consistent honesty, moral clarity and the honorable character.

Ok.   The shaded line above is a noble concept, and I agree with it.

So the only viable candidate I can think of in the Republican Party that comes close to this concept is Ben Carson.

Who would that be in the Democratic Party?    Serious question.

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2 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

What is interesting is Bush, Pence, Romney, Cheney, and Ryan were attacked constantly by Democrats, yet somehow they want them to speak now? That's rather rich yes?

Their beliefs, assumptions and policies were attacked.  It's called "politics". 

[TitanTiger 21,219]

21 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

Ok.   The shaded line above is a noble concept, and I agree with it.

So the only viable candidate I can think of in the Republican Party that comes close to this concept is Ben Carson.

Who would that be in the Democratic Party?    Serious question.

Bob Casey comes to mind.

[TitanTiger 21,219]

34 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

Awwww man!  Here comes the gang mentality.  You got 4 of em on you now brother.

They have even called  Texas Tiger's evil twin brother Titan Tiger in for reinforcement.

I hope you survive the beating!

No one called me.  I'm literally one of the moderators for this particular subforum and an admin for the site.  If you can't handle serious pushback, make better arguments.

[ArgoEagle 2,044]

1 minute ago, TitanTiger said:

No one called me.  I'm literally one of the moderators for this particular subforum and an admin for the site.  If you can't handle serious pushback, make better arguments.

Quit taking yourself so seriously.  If you can't take people joking with or about you, just tell me right now & I won't do it any more.

[TitanTiger 21,219]

2 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

Quit taking yourself so seriously.  If you can't take people joking with or about you, just tell me right now & I won't do it any more.

Well, it's difficult to distinguish joking from the usual whining sometimes.

[ArgoEagle 2,044]

12 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Bob Casey comes to mind.

All right.  So I honestly don't know who Bob Casey is.

Next point:  I (wish) that every candidate running for President was a devout, born again Christian who put God 1st, and country second, and tried to live a righteous life, BUT, we both know the 2 men we have now as candidates do not fit that description.

You also left out a couple of scriptures that apply here.   God said "Give unto Caesar (government), what is Caesar's, and to God what belongs to God."

Since & when these 2 candidates don't exist we have no choice but to go on whomever we think will do the best job for our country, and their policies.

Now.  Since the assassination attempt last Saturday, and i am not implying anything here, I am just stating a fact that I know to be true.

Trump has declared with his tongue several times that there is a higher power than him (and said God's name specifically) that spared his life and he feels has a specific purpose for doing so, and also has proclaimed that he believes in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.  Whether you believe he is sincere or not is up to you.

There are only 2 entities that know for sure if he is sincere or not and that's Trump himself & the Lord God Almighty.

Honestly, I have never heard Joe Biden declare his faith; I have only heard him say he is associated with the Catholic Church. 

These are just facts.  Take them & run with them as you will.