Where is Mike Pence? Did he betray his country?

[AU9377 5,922]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/he-betrayed-his-country-mike-pence-s-rnc-absence-cast-a-shadow-over-convention/ar-BB1q5vVc

Mike Pence did the right thing on Jan 6th.  Instead of being rewarded for following the law and constitution, he is being called a traitor and worse. 

[AUFAN78 4,130]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/he-betrayed-his-country-mike-pence-s-rnc-absence-cast-a-shadow-over-convention/ar-BB1q5vVc

Mike Pence did the right thing on Jan 6th.  Instead of being rewarded for following the law and constitution, he is being called a traitor and worse. 

Why would someone not supporting you as a presidential candidate be invited to speak? That makes no sense. 

Name one person not supporting Joe Biden that will be speaking at the Democratic convention. Do you ever think before you type?

[AU9377 5,922]

9 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

Why would someone not supporting you as a presidential candidate be invited to speak? That makes no sense. 

Name one person not supporting Joe Biden that will be speaking at the Democratic convention. Do you ever think before you type?

Why is he not supporting him?  That is the real discussion that is overlooked.

[autigeremt 7,131]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

Why is he not supporting him?  That is the real discussion that is overlooked.

Ask her why she is no longer a Democrat?

 

[ArgoEagle 2,039]

6 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

Ask her why she is no longer a Democrat?

 

Thanks for posting this.  I was going to comment on this lady & the other lady who lost her son to fentanyl brought over by illegal immigrants.

These women obviously had their whole world tragically torn apart in 2 different ways bc of stupid Democrat policies.

9377 has no concern about these women & many others like them; his focus is on Where is Mike Pence? & Why do Republicans keep mispronouncing Kamala Harris' name?

How petty can you be?

[AU9377 5,922]

25 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

Ask her why she is no longer a Democrat?

 

So  your answer is to totally avoid the question?

[AU9377 5,922]

12 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

Thanks for posting this.  I was going to comment on this lady & the other lady who lost her son to fentanyl brought over by illegal immigrants.

These women obviously had their whole world tragically torn apart in 2 different ways bc of stupid Democrat policies.

9377 has no concern about these women & many others like them; his focus is on Where is Mike Pence? & Why do Republicans keep mispronouncing Kamala Harris' name?

How petty can you be?

You believe that no Fentanyl was coming across the border or thru ports of entry 4 years ago?

You have yet to answer either question.  You simply deflect to a woman's loss which is, while tragic, not relevant to either of the questions.  You immediately make an assumption about my character, yet you refuse to consider why a long list of very respected men and women who have worked closely with the Republican candidate no longer support him.  That seems very convenient.

[homersapien 12,172]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-matters/index.html

24 former Trump allies and aides who turned against him

1. His vice president, Mike Pence: “The American people deserve to know that President Trump asked me to put him over my oath to the Constitution. … Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.”

2. His second attorney general, Bill Barr: “Someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office.”

3. His first secretary of defense, James Mattis: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people – does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.”

4. His second secretary of defense, Mark Esper: “I think he’s unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well.”

5. His chairman of the joint chiefs, retired Gen. Mark Milley, seemed to invoke Trump: “We don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We take an oath to the Constitution and we take an oath to the idea that is America – and we’re willing to die to protect it.”

6. His first secretary of state, Rex Tillerson: “(Trump’s) understanding of global events, his understanding of global history, his understanding of US history was really limited. It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t even understand the concept for why we’re talking about this.”

7. His first ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley: “He used to be good on foreign policy and now he has started to walk it back and get weak in the knees when it comes to Ukraine. A terrible thing happened on January 6 and he called it a beautiful day.”

8. His presidential transition vice-chairman, Chris Christie: “Someone who I would argue now is just out for himself.”

9. His second national security adviser, HR McMaster: “We saw the absence of leadership, really anti-leadership, and what that can do to our country.”

10. His third national security adviser, John Bolton: “I believe (foreign leaders) think he is a laughing fool.”

11. His second chief of staff, John Kelly: “A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us.”

12. His former acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, who resigned as US special envoy to Ireland after January 6, 2021: “I quit because I think he failed at being the president when we needed him to be that.”

3. One of his many former communications directors, Anthony Scaramucci: “He is the domestic terrorist of the 21st century.”

14. Another former communications director, Stephanie Grisham: “I am terrified of him running in 2024.”

15. His secretary of education, Betsy DeVos, who resigned after January 6: “When I saw what was happening on January 6 and didn’t see the president step in and do what he could have done to turn it back or slow it down or really address the situation, it was just obvious to me that I couldn’t continue.”

16. His secretary of transportation, Elaine Chao, who resigned after January 6: “At a particular point the events were such that it was impossible for me to continue, given my personal values and my philosophy.

17. His first secretary of the Navy, Richard Spencer: “…the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.”

18. His first homeland security adviser, Tom Bossert: “The President undermined American democracy baselessly for months. As a result, he’s culpable for this siege, and an utter disgrace.”

19. His former personal lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen: “Donald’s an idiot.”

20. His White House lawyer, Ty Cobb: “Trump relentlessly puts forth claims that are not true.”

21. A former director of strategic communications, Alyssa Farah Griffin, who is now a CNN political commentator: “We can stand by the policies, but at this point we cannot stand by the man.”

22. A top aide in charge of his outreach to African Americans, Omarosa Manigault Newman: “Donald Trump, who would attack civil rights icons and professional athletes, who would go after grieving black widows, who would say there were good people on both sides, who endorsed an accused child molester; Donald Trump, and his decisions and his behavior, was harming the country. I could no longer be a part of this madness.”

23. A former deputy press secretary, Sarah Matthews, who resigned after January 6: “I thought that he did do a lot of good during his four years. I think that his actions on January 6 and the lead-up to it, the way that he’s acted in the aftermath, and his continuation of pushing this lie that the election is stolen has made him wholly unfit to hold office every again.”

24. His final chief of staff’s aide, Cassidy Hutchinson: “I think that Donald Trump is the most grave threat we will face to our democracy in our lifetime, and potentially in American history

Edited July 17 by homersapien

[AU9377 5,922]

6 minutes ago, homersapien said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-matters/index.html

24 former Trump allies and aides who turned against him

I guess none of them love their country.  OR.... they do and have the integrity and character needed to place that above self.

Edited July 17 by AU9377

[homersapien 12,172]

2 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

I guess none of them love their country.

Well, Nikki did a flip flop.

Typical.  Her and Lindsey, both proud South Carolinans.

Edited July 17 by homersapien

[AU9377 5,922]

Just now, homersapien said:

Well, Nikki did a flip flop.

She did... I believe everyone knows how she truly feels, but her choice was to capitulate or be exiled.  That is the way of the Trump party.

[ArgoEagle 2,039]

14 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

You believe that no Fentanyl was coming across the border or thru ports of entry 4 years ago?

You have yet to answer either question.  You simply deflect to a woman's loss which is, while tragic, not relevant to either of the questions.  You immediately make an assumption about my character, yet you refuse to consider why a long list of very respected men and women who have worked closely with the Republican candidate no longer support him.  That seems very convenient.

Here's your answer:   WE DON'T CARE WHERE MIKE PENCE IS?  IT DON'T MATTER WHAT HE DID 4 YEARS AGO!  IT'S IRRELEVENT!  WE'RE MOVING ONWARD & UPWARD

[homersapien 12,172]

28 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

She did... I believe everyone knows how she truly feels, but her choice was to capitulate or be exiled.  That is the way of the Trump party.

Or any cult.

Edited July 17 by homersapien

[AU9377 5,922]

2 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

Here's your answer:   WE DON'T CARE WHERE MIKE PENCE IS?  IT DON'T MATTER WHAT HE DID 4 YEARS AGO!  IT'S IRRELEVENT!  WE'RE MOVING ONWARD & UPWARD

Got it.  It is irrelevant to most Republicans that the life long Republican, former VP under their current nominee, a man with a front row seat, was excommunicated from the party because he refused to break the law and he fulfilled his constitutional role as Vice President.  That is exceedingly clear and as equally damning.

[ArgoEagle 2,039]

7 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Got it.  It is irrelevant to most Republicans that the life long Republican, former VP under their current nominee, a man with a front row seat, was excommunicated from the party because he refused to break the law and he fulfilled his constitutional role as Vice President.  That is exceedingly clear and as equally damning.

[AU9377 5,922]

1 minute ago, ArgoEagle said:

So if Joe Biden tells Kamala Harris to refuse to certify the results should he lose in November, she should do as she is told and do everything possible to retain power?  Pretending that didn't happen serves what purpose?

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

Got it.  It is irrelevant to most Republicans that the life long Republican, former VP under their current nominee, a man with a front row seat, was excommunicated from the party because he refused to break the law and he fulfilled his constitutional role as Vice President.  That is exceedingly clear and as equally damning.

There are a lot of Republicans that have been left behind during this paradigm shift.  It happens.  Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney and others.  This includes the 24 admin and staff members you always bring up.

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

Need I say more:

 

 

[CoffeeTiger 5,843]

1 hour ago, ArgoEagle said:

Thanks for posting this.  I was going to comment on this lady & the other lady who lost her son to fentanyl brought over by illegal immigrants.

 

 

lol. And then the GOP brought on Savannah Chrisley. The daughter of her wealthy parents who were stars of a reality tv show several years ago and are now serving time in federal prison after being found guilty on fraud and tax evasion charges. 

She blamed rogue liberal prosecutors from Fulton County GA for her parents "unfair" prosecution. (The reality is that her parents were charged in FEDERAL COURT , and the charges originated and were prosecuted in 2019 under the Trump Justice department), but those facts are inconvenient to the narrative she brought to the RNC that, like Trump, her parents were targeted for being conservatives and Christians and were completely innocent of everything they were convicted of. 

The RNC crowd ate up that BS of course. 

 

No doubt Trump has promised to pardon and release her parents if he's elected president. 

 

 

[CoffeeTiger 5,843]

Just now, I_M4_AU said:

Need I say more:

 

 

Out with the old, in with the porn stars and reality tv personalities instead! 

The new look GOP!  

[AU9377 5,922]

7 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

There are a lot of Republicans that have been left behind during this paradigm shift.  It happens.  Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney and others.  This includes the 24 admin and staff members you always bring up.

You use the words "paradigm shift".............. 

Paradigm is defined as .... "A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them, especially in an intellectual discipline. "

Does that mean that the paradigm is no longer about right or wrong or how to conduct oneself or the business of the country?  Can there now be no disagreement within the Republican party?  Those people that you say I always bring up aren't just random yahoos.  They include anyone that has disagreed with him in their capacity as an appointed official.  There is an even longer list of people like Jeff Sessions that did what he was required by law to do and nonetheless are now thrown to the trash heap. 

We are not a nation of men, but instead are a nation of laws.  One man has never been more important than the set of rules we abide by in order to ensure that we never become subjected to one man or woman.

A view of reality cannot sustain itself if it isn't actual reality.  Alternate realities cripple a society as diverse as this country.

[AU9377 5,922]

6 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Need I say more:

 

 

Because they dared to question one man?

[AU9377 5,922]

6 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

lol. And then the GOP brought on Savannah Chrisley. The daughter of her wealthy parents who were stars of a reality tv show several years ago and are now serving time in federal prison after being found guilty on fraud and tax evasion charges. 

She blamed rogue liberal prosecutors from Fulton County GA for her parents "unfair" prosecution. (The reality is that her parents were charged in FEDERAL COURT , and the charges originated and were prosecuted in 2019 under the Trump Justice department), but those facts are inconvenient to the narrative she brought to the RNC that, like Trump, her parents were targeted for being conservatives and Christians and were completely innocent of everything they were convicted of. 

The RNC crowd ate up that BS of course. 

 

No doubt Trump has promised to pardon and release her parents if he's elected president. 

 

 

Her parents actually did what they are so appalled that Hunter Biden did, except they did much worse for a much longer period of time.

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

6 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Because they dared to question one man?

No, because their thinking is old and outdated.

[AU9377 5,922]

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

No, because their thinking is old and outdated.

In what way?  Is speaking truth to power old and outdated?