The Secret Service Failed

[Gowebb11 9,801]

A former President/current Presidential candidate is going to be speaking on a stage in the equivalent of a farm field. And it didn’t dawn on anyone in the Secret Service to check nearby rooftops and post a guard or two there. This isn’t NYC where you can claim you can’t secure thousands of windows and terraces and hundreds of rooftops. This is common sense 101. How can our Secret Service be that inept, and what will be done about it?

[ShocksMyBrain 9,526]

Blame local police as well. 

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

27 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

A former President/current Presidential candidate is going to be speaking on a stage in the equivalent of a farm field. And it didn’t dawn on anyone in the Secret Service to check nearby rooftops and post a guard or two there. This isn’t NYC where you can claim you can’t secure thousands of windows and terraces and hundreds of rooftops. This is common sense 101. How can our Secret Service be that inept, and what will be done about it?

Unbelievable. Would think there would be all manor of eyes in sky around the area.

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

6 minutes ago, ShocksMyBrain said:

Blame local police as well. 

When the Secret Service show up do the local police get to think on their own or follow the SS’s plan?

[Gowebb11 9,801]

2 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Unbelievable. Would think there would be all manor of eyes in sky around the area.

At the very least borrow a local 12 year old’s drone. After seeing the aerial screenshot of the area it is a frightening oversight. 

[CoffeeTiger 5,843]

Yeah, it’s sounding like the shooter didn’t make too much effort at hiding or concealing what he was doing. 
 

initially at least, this does sound like a serious security failing. 
 

honestly, with all the issues and controversies over the past years, maybe the secret service needs to be completely reorganized. 
 

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

3 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

When the Secret Service show up do the local police get to think on their own or follow the SS’s plan?

You would think local police fall in line with SS plan. Know when Bush visited Auburn at Plainsman Park the effort was coordinated by SS. Of course talking about moving a president vs candidate Trump. 

[autigeremt 7,131]

Wake up call on the security front for sure. 

[TripleDegreeTiger 122]

1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said:

You would think local police fall in line with SS plan. Know when Bush visited Auburn at Plainsman Park the effort was coordinated by SS. Of course talking about moving a president vs candidate Trump. 

I had a SS escort from the Beards Eaves to Haley one morning that week.

Wonder if they will grant Kennedy a SS detail now. He was previously denied.

[Cardin Drake 2,074]

 

[wdefromtx 3,494]

This is either just down right incompetence of local police and the SS or something more sinister from the inside. I am not a conspiracy guy, but seeing everything that happened makes me at least question things. Maybe they just don't do as much of a sweep for the former presidents? 

Everyone could see him and SS wanted to take him out prior to him getting shots off but was told he could not. Hopefully next time they will.

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

6 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Everyone could see him and SS wanted to take him out prior to him getting shots off but was told he could not. Hopefully next time they will.

Not the same, but….There was a sniper that saw the bomber at Abbey Gate before the attack and was not given the go ahead to act.  I doubt they have learned a thing.

“The response: ‘Leadership did not have the engagement authority for us. Do not engage,'” he explained, adding that they waited and waited for a response that never came.

“Eventually the individual disappeared. To this day, we believe he was the suicide bomber,” he said.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/we-were-ignored-marine-corps-sniper-testifies-kabul-suicide-bombing-could-have-been-stopped/

[CoffeeTiger 5,843]

53 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Not the same, but….There was a sniper that saw the bomber at Abbey Gate before the attack and was not given the go ahead to act.  I doubt they have learned a thing.

“The response: ‘Leadership did not have the engagement authority for us. Do not engage,'” he explained, adding that they waited and waited for a response that never came.

“Eventually the individual disappeared. To this day, we believe he was the suicide bomber,” he said.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/we-were-ignored-marine-corps-sniper-testifies-kabul-suicide-bombing-could-have-been-stopped/

 

I know you wont believe it, but the military has done multiple investigations and have confirmed that that guy the sniper/soldier thought was the bomber was not actually him, and the military doesn't believe anyone had the ability to shoot or stop the real bomber. 

https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-withdrawal-abbey-gate-28dcaccf6f946bc171a2133ddbb123de

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

11 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

I know you wont believe it, but the military has done multiple investigations and have confirmed that that guy the sniper/soldier thought was the bomber was not actually him, and the military doesn't believe anyone had the ability to shoot or stop the real bomber. 

https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-withdrawal-abbey-gate-28dcaccf6f946bc171a2133ddbb123de

Oh, I believe that.  The military investigating itself would come up with that, no question.

[CoffeeTiger 5,843]

2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Oh, I believe that.  The military investigating itself would come up with that, no question.

At the end of the day it's a few guys who are "sure" they saw a certain guy in a crowded, hectic combat situation vs multiple investigations from different teams with interviews, camera footage, etc showing that they didn't see who they thought they saw. 

 

You're free to believe whoever you want, but the military has the evidence on it's side. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable. 

 

 

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

16 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

At the end of the day it's a few guys who are "sure" they saw a certain guy in a crowded, hectic combat situation vs multiple investigations from different teams with interviews, camera footage, etc showing that they didn't see who they thought they saw. 

 

You're free to believe whoever you want, but the military has the evidence on it's side. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable. 

 

 

What would have been the down side of giving the order to take that guy out?  Monday morning QBing of a dynamic situation is what the milatary does best.

[wdefromtx 3,494]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Not the same, but….There was a sniper that saw the bomber at Abbey Gate before the attack and was not given the go ahead to act.  I doubt they have learned a thing.

“The response: ‘Leadership did not have the engagement authority for us. Do not engage,'” he explained, adding that they waited and waited for a response that never came.

“Eventually the individual disappeared. To this day, we believe he was the suicide bomber,” he said.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/we-were-ignored-marine-corps-sniper-testifies-kabul-suicide-bombing-could-have-been-stopped/

In this case it is pretty cut and dry that he needed to be taken out. I have only seen "reported" statements that he was not allowed to do anything. So who knows. It is also rumored that they have since fired the agent that took him out because even after the shots he was told not to. But I think that is a load of ****, because I that point, I think they can use discretion. 

It is either total incompetence or someone was in on it. How did a 20 year old outsmart police and SS. That roof top should have been a known risk and guarded. This is not hindsight is 20/20. That is basic protection 101. 

[CoffeeTiger 5,843]

17 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

In this case it is pretty cut and dry that he needed to be taken out. I have only seen "reported" statements that he was not allowed to do anything. So who knows. It is also rumored that they have since fired the agent that took him out because even after the shots he was told not to. But I think that is a load of ****, because I that point, I think they can use discretion. 

It is either total incompetence or someone was in on it. How did a 20 year old outsmart police and SS. That roof top should have been a known risk and guarded. This is not hindsight is 20/20. That is basic protection 101. 

 

So what would be the conspiracy here? That some supervisor/higher up in the secret service hired a nerdy kid from a upper class neighborhood to bring his fathers rifle to the Trump speech, make himself obvious by propping up on top of a roof in front of everybody with eye witnesses pointing and yelling at him, and taking his picture.... and then the higher up would just...what...tell all his agents through the comm. system to not engage or take out the shooter till the kid kills Trump? 

 

And they'd get away with this elaborate scheme...how exactly?...how would the investigation not discover the fact that the secret service higher ups were telling their agents not to shoot or engage a person who was pointing a rife directly at Trump? Are we saying the entire secret service, and the entire Homeland security department were conspiring to have Trump killed...and nobody would say anything? 

 

These kinds of plots only happen in movies and novels. I think this is obviously a case of neglectful security planning, corners being cut, and people probably not doing their jobs the way they should have been by policy. 

Edited July 15 by CoffeeTiger

[wdefromtx 3,494]

36 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

So what would be the conspiracy here? That some supervisor/higher up in the secret service hired a nerdy kid from a upper class neighborhood to bring his fathers rifle to the Trump speech, make himself obvious by propping up on top of a roof in front of everybody with eye witnesses pointing and yelling at him, and taking his picture.... and then the higher up would just...what...tell all his agents through the comm. system to not engage or take out the shooter till the kid kills Trump? 

 

And they'd get away with this elaborate scheme...how exactly?...how would the investigation not discover the fact that the secret service higher ups were telling their agents not to shoot or engage a person who was pointing a rife directly at Trump? Are we saying the entire secret service, and the entire Homeland security department were conspiring to have Trump killed...and nobody would say anything? 

 

These kinds of plots only happen in movies and novels. I think this is obviously a case of neglectful security planning, corners being cut, and people probably not doing their jobs the way they should have been by policy. 

The conspiracy is pretty much what you stated. Like I said it is either that or incompetence. 

I think it is incompetence, but the magnitude of this failure is so egregious you have to consider everything. 

What gets me is the number of people trying to point out the kid and seems like everyone, but the police and SS figured out what was about to unfold. The agencies involved should be embarrassed and held accountable. They got outsmarted by a 20 year old who probably knew about the event, went and scouted it out, found his spot and no one else figured this out. What I really want to know is were the counter snipers really told not to engage. If so, what is the point of having them? Obviously the sniper already had him sighted because of the quick response after shots fired. 

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

In this case it is pretty cut and dry that he needed to be taken out. I have only seen "reported" statements that he was not allowed to do anything.

I’ve seen it both ways; that he had discretion and that he needed permission to shot.  Sounds like a classic case of miscommunication as to the objective at that moment.  I would think the whole operation was not planned or executed properly.   The explanations will be entertaining to say the least.

[Cardin Drake 2,074]

This story gets worse and worse.  Failure at an unbelievable level.  Apparently Epstein's prison guards  have found new work running Trump's secret service detail. 

Edited July 16 by Cardin Drake

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

This just in:

 

It gets worse as time goes on.

[AU9377 5,922]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

This just in:

 

It gets worse as time goes on.

Could this be any more misleading?  The parents were concerned that he was missing.  They did not alert authorities to a possible issue with him doing something like he did. This is par for the course with Fox entertainment.

[I_M4_AU 8,888]

9 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Could this be any more misleading?  The parents were concerned that he was missing.  They did not alert authorities to a possible issue with him doing something like he did. This is par for the course with Fox entertainment.

FOX News brought up those questions in the segment, sometimes you have to listen to what was said before you assume the worst.

[Cardin Drake 2,074]

8 surprising facts that have emerged:

#1 The Gateway Pundit interviewed a woman that attends almost every Trump rally, and she says that authorities “weren’t blocking the line of sight like they have in every other location”…

Levi, a long-time rally attendee who attends every Trump rally as a vendor selling Trump-related merchandise, tells the Gateway Pundit: “I knew something was wrong the day before when I came to set up in Butler, Pennsylvania.

They weren’t blocking the line of sight like they have in every other location. Typically they would put cranes, or heavy machinery, in the way to block a clear line-of-sight to Trump as a security protocol. I kept thinking that his security detail was going to bring it in later, but they never did.”

“When we came in on Friday, after attending hundreds of Trump rallies, we noticed the situation did not look right. They can’t protect him from here. I just had this terrible feeling. I knew something was off.”

Why was the rally in Butler handled so differently?

This is a question that must be answered.

#2 The Gateway Pundit has also learned that Sheriff Michael Slupe was specifically instructed to “not send extra manpower and SWAT teams to the rally site”…

A source close with law enforcement in the area told the Gateway Pundit today that local Sheriff Michael Slupe was instructed to ‘stand down’ and not send extra manpower and SWAT teams to the rally site in advance of the President’s appearance in Butler, a small town of 13,000 in Pennsylvania about 30 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. This was allegedly done over the objections of Sheriff Slupe.

#3 When Thomas Matthew Crooks shot at Trump, there was actually a counter-sniper team inside the building…

A local police counter-sniper team was stationed inside the building that Thomas Crooks crawled on top of to fire at and nearly kill former President Donald Trump, according to a shocking report.

The building was a “watch post” for local police snipers to scan for threats, law enforcement sources told the New York Post.

Sources told the Post that the local police sniper team was inside the building, but not on the roof — where Crooks climbed and waited for Trump to begin speaking before firing off eight shots, hitting Trump in the ear, killing a rally-goer, and wounding two others. What good is a counter sniper team inside a building. 

#4 The head of the Secret Service, Kimberly Cheatle, says that nobody was stationed on top of that building because “we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof”…

“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she told ABC News in a startling admission.

“And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside,” she told the outlet.

#5 CBS News is reporting that the counter-sniper team inside the building took note of Thomas Matthew Crooks three different times prior to the shooting…

One of the snipers inside saw Thomas Matthew Crooks outside and looking up at the roof, observing the building and disappearing, a local law enforcement officer tells CBS News.

Crooks came back, sat down and looked at his phone. At that point, one of the snipers took a picture of him. Crooks took out a rangefinder and the sniper radioed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building.

#6 After he scaled the roof, Thomas Matthew Crooks was up there for close to 30 minutes before he finally fired at Trump…

Channel 11 News uncovered dramatic new details Monday in the moments leading up to the assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump. According to multiple law enforcement sources, Thomas Crooks was spotted by law enforcement on a roof nearly 30 minutes before shots were fired that injured Trump, killed a former fire chief and injured two others in the crowd.

Channel 11′s Nicole Ford confirmed that Beaver County’s ESU team had eight members at the rally, including snipers and spotters. According to Ford’s sources, one of them noticed a suspicious man on a roof near the rally at 5:45 p.m., called it in and took a picture of the person. We have learned from our sources the person in that picture is Thomas Crooks.

If authorities identified that there was a man with a rifle on that roof, why did they still allow Trump to go out there and speak?

Something is very wrong about all of this.

#7 After Secret Service agents finally got to Trump, they literally removed his shoes and threw them off the stage…

Initially dazed, Trump told agents: ‘let me get my shoes, let me get my shoes’ as he got up from the ground.

The video, posted by WBEN just as Trump was arriving at the RNC in his first appearance since the assassination attempt, covers an angle previously unseen amid the chaos from behind Trump as he spoke.

It shows the Secret Service tackling Trump and removing his shoes and tossing them off the stage.

Why would they do this?

Does anyone have an answer to this question?

#8 A video that has gone viral on social media appears to show a mystery woman yelling instructions to Crooks on the roof…

But one video has picked up audio of an unnamed woman who some believe shouts at the gunman just as he launches the attack, which tragically killed a Trump supporters.

As bullets crack and crowds scream, a woman can be yelling what some say is: ‘Crooks. What are you doing? Get over here. Get down’.

The clip has gone viral on social media.  

https://noqreport.com/8-shocking-details-that-have-just-emerged-that-are-sparking-new-theories-about-the-attempt-on-trumps-life/