MAGA "Christians" Calling for Violence

[homersapien 12,172]

......."The movements’ biblical references, extremism monitors warn, soften violent and racist messaging, and offer plausible deniability should believers turn into vigilantes, as hundreds did during the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021."

“You are either on the side of God or the side of the Devil,” said Miranda Zapor Cruz, a theologian at Indiana Wesleyan University, summing up the rhetoric. “If you are on the side of the Devil, then just about anything can be justified to cast you out, to eradicate your influence. And, for some people, that ‘just about anything’ would include physical violence.”.......

 

.......Trump allies in Congress have openly advocated for Christian nationalism.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) has urged supporters to embrace the term: “I say it proudly — we should be Christian nationalists.” Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) similarly claimed the label at a conservative conference this month, telling the crowd: “Some will say now that I am calling America a Christian nation. So I am. And some will say that I am advocating Christian nationalism. And so I do.”....

 

.....Longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone told a podcast that a “demonic portal” had opened above the Biden White House. Another MAGA stalwart, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, says the nation is in the throes of a spiritual war and has called former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) a demon......

 

.....In 2022, Kimber Glidden was fighting for her job as a library director in northern Idaho after refusing to cave to the book-banning demands of hard-right Christian parents who smeared her as a danger to children.

At one public meeting, Glidden recalled in a recent interview, a woman looked her in the eye while quoting Matthew 18:6, which describes a lethal punishment for anyone harming the young: “It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

“It’s like, ‘I’m not actually threatening you — I’m just quoting scripture at you,’” said Glidden, who eventually resigned because of the attacks. “You can threaten people and you can intimidate them, as long as you have a Bible tract in your hand.”.....

 

.......Such cherry-picking distorts the text to suggest that ordinary Christians should be carrying out punishments that traditionally are interpreted as being meted out by God, said Kaitlyn Schiess, a theologian at Duke University and author of “The Ballot and the Bible,” which tracks how scripture is used in political speech.

“It gives them a sense of belonging to some kind of exciting drama — the fight between good and evil,” Schiess said. “And that can have really disastrous effects.”.......

 

......Millstone references pop up regularly in calls for retribution against librarians, teachers, abortion providers, racial justice activists, LGBTQ advocates and anyone else some members of the religious far right deem a threat to the project of a White Christian nation.

At a Proud Boys protest outside a drag event in Maryland last year, one man wearing the far-right group’s yellow-and-black insignia held a sign that quoted Matthew 18:6 above the words, “It’s millstone time!”......

 

.......Speaking in a small-town church last month, Mark Robinson, the Trump-endorsed GOP nominee for governor in North Carolina, told the audience that “some folks need killing.”

“It’s time for somebody to say it. It’s not a matter of vengeance. It’s not a matter of being mean or spiteful. It’s a matter of necessity!” Robinson, the lieutenant governor, said, according to a video of the speech surfaced by the New Republic.

The recording shows Robinson shouting about “wicked people,” including liberals, socialists and communists. He was introduced at the event by a local pastor, the Rev. Cameron McGill, who told the audience: “Who’s behind President Biden, and that administration? Is it Obama. Is it Clinton? Read your Bible. It is the Devil.”......

 

.......In Arizona, Jeff Durbin, a far-right “abortion abolitionist” and influential Christian nationalist, has said that women deserve to be executed if they have an abortion — a stance he recently reiterated is “the historical position of the Christian church.”

“You forfeit your right to live,” Durbin said last month in a New York Times podcast.......

 

.....“Obviously, this is an increasingly hostile culture,” (Speaker Mike) Johnson told the audience at a Christian women’s conference in 2022 where he quoted the verse. “We all know that. We need to understand why that is, and we need to commit to do our part to confront it. The kingdom of God allows aggression.”

At the recent Conservative Political Action Conference, a right-wing conclave now dominated by pro-Trump factions, far-right conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec, onstage with Trump ally Stephen K. Bannon, welcomed the crowd “to the end of democracy.”

“We’re here to overthrow it completely. We didn’t get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this,” Posobiec told the audience, holding up a cross.

“Amen,” Bannon said.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/13/trump-christian-nationalist-violent-rhetoric/

[homersapien 12,172]

So yeah,

"Biden told donors on a private call this afternoon: “It’s time to put Trump in the bulls eye.”

 

[jj3jordan 2,160]

52 minutes ago, homersapien said:

......."The movements’ biblical references, extremism monitors warn, soften violent and racist messaging, and offer plausible deniability should believers turn into vigilantes, as hundreds did during the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021."

“You are either on the side of God or the side of the Devil,” said Miranda Zapor Cruz, a theologian at Indiana Wesleyan University, summing up the rhetoric. “If you are on the side of the Devil, then just about anything can be justified to cast you out, to eradicate your influence. And, for some people, that ‘just about anything’ would include physical violence.”.......

 

.......Trump allies in Congress have openly advocated for Christian nationalism.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) has urged supporters to embrace the term: “I say it proudly — we should be Christian nationalists.” Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) similarly claimed the label at a conservative conference this month, telling the crowd: “Some will say now that I am calling America a Christian nation. So I am. And some will say that I am advocating Christian nationalism. And so I do.”....

 

.....Longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone told a podcast that a “demonic portal” had opened above the Biden White House. Another MAGA stalwart, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, says the nation is in the throes of a spiritual war and has called former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) a demon......

 

.....In 2022, Kimber Glidden was fighting for her job as a library director in northern Idaho after refusing to cave to the book-banning demands of hard-right Christian parents who smeared her as a danger to children.

At one public meeting, Glidden recalled in a recent interview, a woman looked her in the eye while quoting Matthew 18:6, which describes a lethal punishment for anyone harming the young: “It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

“It’s like, ‘I’m not actually threatening you — I’m just quoting scripture at you,’” said Glidden, who eventually resigned because of the attacks. “You can threaten people and you can intimidate them, as long as you have a Bible tract in your hand.”.....

 

.......Such cherry-picking distorts the text to suggest that ordinary Christians should be carrying out punishments that traditionally are interpreted as being meted out by God, said Kaitlyn Schiess, a theologian at Duke University and author of “The Ballot and the Bible,” which tracks how scripture is used in political speech.

“It gives them a sense of belonging to some kind of exciting drama — the fight between good and evil,” Schiess said. “And that can have really disastrous effects.”.......

 

......Millstone references pop up regularly in calls for retribution against librarians, teachers, abortion providers, racial justice activists, LGBTQ advocates and anyone else some members of the religious far right deem a threat to the project of a White Christian nation.

At a Proud Boys protest outside a drag event in Maryland last year, one man wearing the far-right group’s yellow-and-black insignia held a sign that quoted Matthew 18:6 above the words, “It’s millstone time!”......

 

.......Speaking in a small-town church last month, Mark Robinson, the Trump-endorsed GOP nominee for governor in North Carolina, told the audience that “some folks need killing.”

“It’s time for somebody to say it. It’s not a matter of vengeance. It’s not a matter of being mean or spiteful. It’s a matter of necessity!” Robinson, the lieutenant governor, said, according to a video of the speech surfaced by the New Republic.

The recording shows Robinson shouting about “wicked people,” including liberals, socialists and communists. He was introduced at the event by a local pastor, the Rev. Cameron McGill, who told the audience: “Who’s behind President Biden, and that administration? Is it Obama. Is it Clinton? Read your Bible. It is the Devil.”......

 

.......In Arizona, Jeff Durbin, a far-right “abortion abolitionist” and influential Christian nationalist, has said that women deserve to be executed if they have an abortion — a stance he recently reiterated is “the historical position of the Christian church.”

“You forfeit your right to live,” Durbin said last month in a New York Times podcast.......

 

.....“Obviously, this is an increasingly hostile culture,” (Speaker Mike) Johnson told the audience at a Christian women’s conference in 2022 where he quoted the verse. “We all know that. We need to understand why that is, and we need to commit to do our part to confront it. The kingdom of God allows aggression.”

At the recent Conservative Political Action Conference, a right-wing conclave now dominated by pro-Trump factions, far-right conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec, onstage with Trump ally Stephen K. Bannon, welcomed the crowd “to the end of democracy.”

“We’re here to overthrow it completely. We didn’t get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this,” Posobiec told the audience, holding up a cross.

“Amen,” Bannon said.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/13/trump-christian-nationalist-violent-rhetoric/

Sounds like you are finally getting the message.

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

“It’s time to put Trump in the bulls eye.”

Horrible language. 

[auburnatl1 6,020]

I’m hoping that that is an obscure “sect” of Christianity and not the sentiment of mainstream evangelicals.  Because imo that’s not like any  form of Christianity that I recognize. Almost Islamic radical-type stuff.

[ArgoEagle 2,039]

Well, Trump just had an attempt on his life 15 minutes ago & is bleeding around his right ear.  Reckon that was a MAGA Christian?

[TripleDegreeTiger 122]

40 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

Well, Trump just had an attempt on his life 15 minutes ago & is bleeding around his right ear.  Reckon that was a MAGA Christian?

The DA is saying the shooter and two by standers are dead. Very sad.

[AUBwins 10,257]

5 hours ago, homersapien said:

So yeah,

"Biden told donors on a private call this afternoon: “It’s time to put Trump in the bulls eye.”

 

This didn't age well in these words lol

Or proved true literally

Edited July 13 by AUBwins

[ArgoEagle 2,039]

4 minutes ago, TripleDegreeTiger said:

The DA is saying the shooter and two by standers are dead. Very sad.

Yes it is!  And senseless!

[homersapien 12,172]

4 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Horrible language. 

Sounded metaphorical to me.

 

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

1 minute ago, homersapien said:

Sounded metaphorical to me.

 

It was. Not a good afternoon. Hoping everyone calms down and gets the facts.

 

 

[homersapien 12,172]

1 hour ago, ArgoEagle said:

Well, Trump just had an attempt on his life 15 minutes ago & is bleeding around his right ear.  Reckon that was a MAGA Christian?

No.

I reckon it was someone responding to MAGA Christian rhetoric. "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind".

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

15 minutes ago, homersapien said:

No.

I reckon it was someone responding to MAGA Christian rhetoric. "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind".

See you are not waiting on any facts prior to stirring the pot. Pretty crappie of you to cherry pick a Bible verse which you have no clue about. 

[homersapien 12,172]

25 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

See you are not waiting on any facts prior to stirring the pot. Pretty crappie of you to cherry pick a Bible verse which you have no clue about. 

1. How would you interpret it in the context it was used?

2. Please explain why it was "crappie" and/or why I don't understand it?

3. Do I have to be a theist to appreciate the bible as literature?

 

Edited July 14 by homersapien

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

13 minutes ago, homersapien said:

1. How would you interpret it in the context it was used?

2. Please explain why it was "crappie" and/or why I don't understand it?

3. Do I have to be a theist to appreciate the bible as literature?

 

Read it and yourself and don’t start with the prophets.

[homersapien 12,172]

6 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Read it and yourself and don’t start with the prophets.

Why do you even post here?

You can't even defend your posts with a reasoned response.  You are just a self-rightous poo flinger.

And all you had to do was say, #3.

Edited July 14 by homersapien

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

5 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Why do you even post here?

You can't even defend your posts with a reasoned response.  You are just a self-rightous poo flinger.

And all you had to do was say, #3.

I thought my response was very appropriate. You are a brilliant guy that can read.

[homersapien 12,172]

3 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

I thought my response was very appropriate. You are a brilliant guy that can read.

It was a non-response - a blatant evasion of my specific questions. 

But I can see why you think that it was "appropriate". 

And you are smart enough - if not "brilliant" - to know that.

 

Edited July 14 by homersapien

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

It was a non-response - a blatant evasion of my specific questions. 

But I can see why you think that "appropriate". 

Your questions 1, 2, 3 of were addressed appropriately.

[homersapien 12,172]

4 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Your questions 1, 2, 3 of were addressed appropriately.

Sorry. I don't understand.

Why did you not address them directly instead of offering an evasive response?

Edited July 14 by homersapien

[homersapien 12,172]

3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Sorry. I don't understand.

Why did you not address them directly instead of offering an evasive response?

Start with number 1. 

How did my use of the phrase violate what you - or the bible - intended to mean?

How and why was my use "clueless"?

Edited July 14 by homersapien

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

2 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Start with number 1. 

How did my use of the phrase violate what you - or the bible - intended to mean?

I told you to read it. Not getting into defending the Bible with you. If you are going to throw verses out learn a little about what you doing. 

[homersapien 12,172]

13 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

I told you to read it. Not getting into defending the Bible with you. If you are going to throw verses out learn a little about what you doing. 

I read it.  It's a famous phrase.  (See the play and movie by the same name/term.)  Did you seriously think I made just made it up myself?

So tell me how and why I misused it.  Or just STFU and stop weaseling.  You've spent more time dodging the question than it would have taken to explain your point, if any (which I don't think you have).

I suggest you try to develop a little integrity before hiding behind your "understanding" of the bible as an excuse to evade direct questions about a commonly understood phrase.  

But I do understand why you don't want to defend the bible.  You don't even have the courage of your "convictions".

 

Edited July 14 by homersapien

[SaltyTiger 8,526]

2 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I read it.  It's a famous phrase.  (See the play and movie by the same name/term.)  Did you seriously think I made just made it up myself?

So tell me how and why I misused it.  Or just STFU and stop weaseling.  You've spent more time dodging the question than it would have taken to explain your point, if any (which I don't think you have).

I suggest you try to develop a little integrity before hiding behind your "understanding" of the bible as an excuse to evade direct questions about a commonly understood phrase.  

(But I do understand why you don't want to defend the bible.  You don't even have the courage of your "convictions".

 

Good. You read a verse from a minor prophet. I will just “STFU”. 

[homersapien 12,172]

11 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Good. You read a verse from a minor prophet. I will just “STFU”. 

What does it matter who originated it?

Does that make it any less true valid??   Hint:  It's not a religious statement it's a philosophical one, which - had you been reading objectively - would have understood from the beginning.

And thanks for STFU.  You did us both a service.