METHOD OF CONVERSION TO CHRISTIANITY

[SaltyTiger 8,596]

5 minutes ago, JMWATS said:

Words mean something.  Show me the word "conviction" in the article.  

Looks like Rex should have said liable. Guess it was a civil case. Trump has been accused and investigated so much that it all runs together.

[AUFAN78 4,161]

16 minutes ago, JMWATS said:

Words mean something.  Show me the word "conviction" in the article.  

This was a civil trial where you're found liable. That doesn't mean I agree with it. Not a fan of this type of lawfare.

[JMWATS 280]

You are correct.  It was a civil trial where the burden of proof is a lower standard than a criminal trial and there was no "conviction".    

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[homersapien 12,262]

It's fun to watch Trump apologists at work. 

The "GOP" clearly no longer exists.

 

[JMWATS 280]

Just now, homersapien said:

It's fun to watch Trump apologists at work. 

The "GOP" clearly no longer exists.

 

It's even better to watch Democratic Party apologists work these days.   For example, just imagine where we'd be if Biden had picked a Vice President based on competency rather than identity politics.       

[SaltyTiger 8,596]

3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

It's fun to watch Trump apologists at work. 

The "GOP" clearly no longer exists.

 

What do you mean buy Trump apologist? Just pointing out Rex misunderstanding of facts.

[homersapien 12,262]

3 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

What do you mean buy Trump apologist? Just pointing out Rex misunderstanding of facts.

Making a pointed distinction about the difference between being held "liable" of sexual abuse in a civil case v. being "convicted" of sexual abuse in a criminal case.

I wonder if they accept Trump's claim that he never had sex with a prostitute?

 

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[SaltyTiger 8,596]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Making a pointed distinction about the difference between being held liable of sexual abuse in a civil case v. being "convicted" of sexual abuse in a criminal case.

I wonder if they accept Trump's claim that he never had sex with a prostitute?

 

There is a difference. To my knowledge one is not convicted in a civil case. 
 

Well, Trump says he didn’t have sex with a prostitute so I suppose people that choose to believe him will. I thought it was “porn star”. Other presidents have had sex outside of marriage. Porn star/“prostitute”, movie  star, intern….etc. what is the difference? 

[AUFAN78 4,161]

48 minutes ago, homersapien said:

It's fun to watch Trump apologists at work. 

The "GOP" clearly no longer exists.

 

I'm no fan of lawfare for purely political reasons. That's one area we differ. There are many. 

Furthermore, I'm not the GOP. I have a conscience and care about the rule of law. You? Notsomuch. 

[AURex 2,262]

I did not misunderstand the facts. Trump was tried in a court of law and convicted. TWICE. For the same criminal offense against a woman. And fined over $80 Million.

He was convicted in a court of law for fraud AGAIN awaiting sentencing in just a few days. Nothing new. He has grifted and frauded his entire life.

He is a con man. And he is a convicted felon. He is a wannabe dictator sucking the toes of other dictators around the world. He is an enemy of democracy in the U.S. and around the world.

I did not misunderstand anything.

 

[JMWATS 280]

No one is convicted in a civil suit. 

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[AURex 2,262]

12 hours ago, JMWATS said:

No one is convicted in a civil suit. 

Bwahahaha. So I guess juries rulings "guilty" is not technically "convicted" in your mind? And being sentenced to $80+ Million in damages is not "convicted" in your mind?

Um ..... OK. Let's put it this way.

The jury determined that Trump did, in fact, sexually assault E. Jean Carroll, and thus he was liable for defamation. If the jury had not ruled that he did, in fact, sexually assault her, he would not have been liable for defamation.

He was found guilty of sexual assault and thus liable for defamation. In 2 separate court cases. And of course, she is not the only woman he has sexually assaulted. He has admitted that he has done so multiple times, in his own words -- the unambiguous "grab em by the p*ssy" recording.

The man has always been a sexual creep. It's even more obvious with his comments about his daughter, and most recently about Taylor Swift. The man is a lifelong sexist perv.

 

 

[SaltyTiger 8,596]

10 hours ago, AURex said:

Bwahahaha. So I guess juries rulings "guilty" is not technically "convicted" in your mind? And being sentenced to $80+ Million in damages is not "convicted" in your mind?

Um ..... OK. Let's put it this way.

The jury determined that Trump did, in fact, sexually assault E. Jean Carroll, and thus he was liable for defamation. If the jury had not ruled that he did, in fact, sexually assault her, he would not have been liable for defamation.

He was found guilty of sexual assault and thus liable for defamation. In 2 separate court cases. And of course, she is not the only woman he has sexually assaulted. He has admitted that he has done so multiple times, in his own words -- the unambiguous "grab em by the p*ssy" recording.

The man has always been a sexual creep. It's even more obvious with his comments about his daughter, and most recently about Taylor Swift. The man is a lifelong sexist perv.

 

 

 

23 hours ago, JMWATS said:

No one is convicted in a civil suit. 

 

[Gowebb11 9,944]

When Trump is found liable by a civil trial: it’s not the same as being guilty.
 

When Trump is found guilty in a criminal trial, it was rigged.

The way of the Maga

 

[JMWATS 280]

11 hours ago, AURex said:

Bwahahaha. So I guess juries rulings "guilty" is not technically "convicted" in your mind? And being sentenced to $80+ Million in damages is not "convicted" in your mind?

Um ..... OK. Let's put it this way.

The jury determined that Trump did, in fact, sexually assault E. Jean Carroll, and thus he was liable for defamation. If the jury had not ruled that he did, in fact, sexually assault her, he would not have been liable for defamation.

He was found guilty of sexual assault and thus liable for defamation.

He was not found "guilty".  It ws not a criminal trial. 

When it comes to legal matters are you just dumber than a sack of hammers or are you intentionally obfuscating the truth?

Read this and get back to me.  

Fact Check: Was Donald Trump Found Guilty of Rape? - Newsweek

 

[JMWATS 280]

9 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

When Trump is found liable by a civil trial: it’s not the same as being guilty.
 

 

I'm glad you see the difference. 

[SaltyTiger 8,596]

53 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

The way of the Maga

Yes. Defending Trump takes maximum creativity and really gets tiresome.

[homersapien 12,262]

49 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Yes. Defending Trump takes maximum creativity and really gets tiresome.

I think there's some self-hypnosis - or the equivalent - involved as well.

[I_M4_AU 8,978]

2 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

When Trump is found liable by a civil trial: it’s not the same as being guilty.
 

When Trump is found guilty in a criminal trial, it was rigged.

The way of the Maga

 

I don’t know if you know this, but the NY fraud case has postponed the sentencing until September since the SCOTUS ruling and the fact that Brag used matierial to convict Trump that has immunity.  To be continued.

So, actually, it was rigged.

[Gowebb11 9,944]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

I don’t know if you know this, but the NY fraud case has postponed the sentencing until September since the SCOTUS ruling and the fact that Brag used matierial to convict Trump that has immunity.  To be continued.

So, actually, it was rigged.

You might not know this but the SCOTUS ruling happened after the trial. It’s left to the lower courts to rule on what is or isn’t part of the POTUS officials acts. Final impact of which is TBD. 

[I_M4_AU 8,978]

1 minute ago, Gowebb11 said:

You might not know this but the SCOTUS ruling happened after the trial. It’s left to the lower courts to rule on what is or isn’t part of the POTUS officials acts. Final impact of which is TBD. 

This is true and that is why the delay in sentencing.  If Bragg used witnesses that where when Trump was president, each one would have to be looked at as to what was discussed and determined by the court if their testimony would stand.

Rock and a hard place.  I’m not sure if Merchan will be as bias as he was during the trial if the spot light is solely on him.

[Gowebb11 9,944]

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

This is true and that is why the delay in sentencing.  If Bragg used witnesses that where when Trump was president, each one would have to be looked at as to what was discussed and determined by the court if their testimony would stand.

Rock and a hard place.  I’m not sure if Merchan will be as bias as he was during the trial if the spot light is solely on him.

It will be an interesting one to watch for sure. 

[AURex 2,262]

14 hours ago, JMWATS said:

He was not found "guilty".  It ws not a criminal trial. 

When it comes to legal matters are you just dumber than a sack of hammers or are you intentionally obfuscating the truth?

Read this and get back to me.  

Fact Check: Was Donald Trump Found Guilty of Rape? - Newsweek

 

He was IN FACT found guilty. The jury ruled that he did IN FACT defame E. Jean Carroll. In order to come to that GUILTY verdict, the jury determined that Trump did IN FACT sexually assault E. Jean Carroll. So he was, IN FACT, found guilty of sexual assault and thus LIABLE for $80+ Million in damages for defamation.

So you can cry elephant tears that this was not a "criminal" case and just some lowly "civil" case. But the FACT IS, the juries in both cases determined that Trump sexually assaulted the woman and thus was guilty of defamation.

 

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[JMWATS 280]

8 hours ago, AURex said:

He was IN FACT found guilty. The jury ruled that he did IN FACT defame E. Jean Carroll. In order to come to that GUILTY verdict, the jury determined that Trump did IN FACT sexually assault E. Jean Carroll. So he was, IN FACT, found guilty of sexual assault and thus LIABLE for $80+ Million in damages for defamation.

So you can cry elephant tears that this was not a "criminal" case and just some lowly "civil" case. But the FACT IS, the juries in both cases determined that Trump sexually assaulted the woman and thus was guilty of defamation.

 

Believe whatever you want to believe.  I think there is a good summation of the events of the cases here.      E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump - Wikipedia

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[auburnatl1 6,206]

On 7/1/2024 at 4:25 PM, homersapien said:

 

The "GOP" clearly no longer exists.

 

Terminology hasnt caught up. Eventually they’ll have rename whatever party the gop is now. Maga folks think they’re conservative because Trump told them so - but they’re instead just a highly aggressive form of  Christian traditionalistism (with a smattering of white radicalism).  Purely culturally focused  and isolationists. No economic policy. That’s hardly the gop (Lincoln/reagan) or conservatism - which is a much more sweeping ideology.

imo the perfect primer on conservatism vs maga.

 

Edited July 4 by auburnatl1