aubaseball 2,860 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, auburnatl1 said: It may be insane but it’s the same way they got Capone - illegal finances. You mean Tax invasion and prohibition violations. Good one though. Comparing a killer to someone who messed around with a porn star 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 649 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 6,206 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Just now, aubaseball said: You mean Tax invasion and prohibition violations. Good one though. Comparing a killer to someone who messed around with a porn star I wasn’t equating at all But he runs his business with close family and flawed employees (making poor character witnesses). Classic mob business model. Only proven way to convict is finances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 6,206 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 5 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said: Good to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftfield 3,388 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 17 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 6,057 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 54 minutes ago, Auburn93 said: Sometimes voting for the wrong political party leads to the destruction of society in the form of mass illegal immigration, inflation, destructive climate change policy, and men competing in women sports. Sometimes watching CNN leads to brain washing. BTW, he didn't lead chants of lock her up. You didn't watch Trump rallies. You watched CNN. If you had been reading my comments on this case, you would know that I have said many times that I did not believe it should have been brought. That said, it certainly isn't an "illegal" case. How about this.... Try not blaming everyone and everything, including the system, because your beloved candidate has the moral compass of a pimp on pay day. How many hush payments does it take before the hypocrisy feels a little bit real? Did his wife just have something more important to do today or was she renegotiating another contract in order to remain the Mrs.? CNN didn't make the man attempt to change the results of an election that he LOST. CNN didn't make the man willfully retain classified documents and not return them when requested. CNN certainly didn't make him clap like thunder while getting it on with Stormy. But please..... blame everyone and everything around him but never him. That is how a cult following works. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 6,057 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 hours ago, AuCivilEng1 said: It’s pretty weird already. Lol. There are actually lower middle class citizens buying Trump branded Bibles to fund his legal fees for a hush money payment to a porn star whom he slept with while cheating on his pregnant wife. Already weird. The same wife who was noticeably absent today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arein0 1,106 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, aubaseball said: Just pointing out the nonsense in all the this. The man has no sham in anything and I wish he would fade away into retirement. But you and I know that there are dumb people everywhere and those people will buy, do and say whatever he wants them to say. At least you're self aware 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,974 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Auburn93 said: Sometimes voting for the wrong political party leads to the destruction of society in the form of mass illegal immigration, inflation, destructive climate change policy, and men competing in women sports. Sometimes watching CNN leads to brain washing. BTW, he didn't lead chants of lock her up. You didn't watch Trump rallies. You watched CNN. Ladies and gentlemen, the right. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,974 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 48 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said: He’s not gonna notice you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 12,293 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, AUDub said: He’s not gonna notice you. The party of law and order….. Unless you’re a rich white dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 6,206 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Last time I’ll say this - maga gobbled up the party and voted for trump in the primaries - knowing his liabilities, legal, and moral issues. If they were that worried about the border and cultural issues (the constant rant), they had several perfect options that polled better than trump against Biden and without the nut case stuff. Hell Haley polled 17 friggin pts better over Biden. He wasn’t convicted by the “deep state”. He was convicted unanimously by a jury (each probably personally worried about Trumps revenge mentality). No matter where this goes - maga owns nominating a guy with a felony rap sheet. Is what it is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURex 2,262 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I'm not going to say "surprised" because I really was not sure what the jury would do. The prosecution presented a very strong case, systematically laying out the criminal charges and the defendant's culpability that fit with those charges. The defense just blustered in typical Trump fashion, with no actual evidence to counter the prosecution. So I'm not "surprised." I am relieved that the jury did their due diligence, looked carefully at the evidence presented, listened to the testimony, and came to their ruling. Yes, Trump's lawyers will appeal no matter what sentence Merchan levies on July 11. To no avail. He is and will be a felon. What will Merchan decide? 1. Prison? Nope. Ain't gonna happen. 2. Prison sentence suspended with probation? Maybe, but I think unlikely. 3. Just probation, a slap on the wrist, saying "be good" hahaha 4. Monetary penalty? Potentially up to $170k. I think this is the most likely sentence. Trump just sold a big jet to a toe sucking donor for $10 million to help cover his legal fees. With the quality of legal services of Blanche and Abba, he's in deep doo doo. No reputable legal firm will take him on. He's stuck with these incompetent lawyers who have little real experience in courtrooms in high-pressure cases and were an embarrassment in this case. Trump so far -- defamation -- lost twice, down more than $90million. Now this case -- illegal falsification of business records to cover for election fraud -- guilty Next up, I hope, Georgia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DKW 86 7,914 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 10 hours ago, cbo said: The law and order party is going to have a rough time with this one. Nope. No they wont. Repeat after me: "It was all a witch hunt..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,974 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 9 hours ago, aubaseball said: So you are saying that Trump paid Cohen with campaign funds? The Federal Election Commission said, I don’t think so. They have a name for this type of crime. Fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,262 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 16 hours ago, 1716AU said: Convicted felons have no rights....except to appeal (And run for president. ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,262 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 12 hours ago, aubaseball said: Seriously, who cares. Do you really care that he had sex with a porn star 18 years ago? Is he the only person to ever cheat on his spouse? This is insane that this is even remotely news. 1. That wasn't what he was indicted for. 2. Even so, everyone should care that someone running for POTUS has such warped character. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,974 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 12 hours ago, autigeremt said: I am curious. What’s the actual crime committed (I haven’t kept up with it much)? Falsifying financial records to cover up payments to Stormy Daniels at the heart of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,240 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 20 minutes ago, AUDub said: Falsifying financial records to cover up payments to Stormy Daniels at the heart of it. 10-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 21,341 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 So my quick take on it after some cursory reading is, at least in my mind there's little doubt that Trump actually did what he's accused of doing. I believe he paid off Stormy Daniels and used some financial sleight of hand to try and hide the payments. I also believe he 100% did this because he was in the middle of a presidential campaign and feared the damage such info getting out might do to his prospects, which then gets it tangled up in campaign finance rules. The only question I have is whether the felony aspect of this will stick on appeal. It feels possible that the legal theory the DA used to move this from misdemeanor to felony is on shakier ground. Again - I believe the facts show Trump is guilty of the hush money payments and the attempts to hide them. I only question whether the mechanism used to upgrade it to a felony is something that will stand on appeal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,511 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 14 hours ago, Auburn93 said: Yeah, they are going to appeal the illegal case and win it. How about that for law and order? As a lawyer, this response is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 649 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 46 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: So my quick take on it after some cursory reading is, at least in my mind there's little doubt that Trump actually did what he's accused of doing. I believe he paid off Stormy Daniels and used some financial sleight of hand to try and hide the payments. I also believe he 100% did this because he was in the middle of a presidential campaign and feared the damage such info getting out might do to his prospects, which then gets it tangled up in campaign finance rules. The only question I have is whether the felony aspect of this will stick on appeal. It feels possible that the legal theory the DA used to move this from misdemeanor to felony is on shakier ground. Again - I believe the facts show Trump is guilty of the hush money payments and the attempts to hide them. I only question whether the mechanism used to upgrade it to a felony is something that will stand on appeal. I would just add that right now we are focused on the near term which is natural. However. I think the real consequences of this are much more concerning for the justice system in our country. It opens the door to partisan accusations and trials, even long after Trump or Biden are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbo 8,832 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said: I would just add that right now we are focused on the near term which is natural. However. I think the real consequences of this are much more concerning for the justice system in our country. It opens the door to partisan accusations and trials, even long after Trump or Biden are gone. Politicians held responsible for their crimes is my least concern with our justice system. Republican or Democrat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 21,341 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 11 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said: I would just add that right now we are focused on the near term which is natural. However. I think the real consequences of this are much more concerning for the justice system in our country. It opens the door to partisan accusations and trials, even long after Trump or Biden are gone. I keep hearing this concern and to me, it doesn't make sense. Even the POTUS should be held accountable if they break the law. If you don't want to get charged with crimes, don't commit them. That will eliminate 99.9% of the concerns. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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