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[Skip Jansen 33]

Is it okay if I ask a question? This is based on a pretty general observation so I might be incorrect, but I'm very curious about something-

Why was the anticipation of Aiden so high, yet there is a seemingly reserved attitude towards Tahaad? I have been a basketball scout close to 30 years and I can say without any hesitation that there is no comparison between the two players. I was never high on Aiden. I never saw a skill set that translated to high major college basketball. By contrast....I think that TP has skills and athleticism that translate perfect to this level. I mean...if TP isn't a PG, then AH sure as hell isn't. AH does not possess one skill that makes him a better PG candidate than TP. TP has every skill required to be an elite PG (and the NBA agrees with me). 
 

What  am I missing? I feel like I'm in Looneyville. 

 

 

[AUSCalum87 453]

3 hours ago, Skip Jansen said:

Here's what I think it will be-

-Pegues

-Pettiford

-Baker-Mazzera

-Johnson

-Broome

I think BP will spend a lot of the preseason practices experimenting with lineups and find out who plays best together. It's like I mentioned in my previous post (Jones needing a penetrator to break down the defense). For example...I could see BP wanting our three best perimeter shooters (and Broome) in the game when TP is the primary ball handler. He could play 4 out-I in with Broome in ball screen action. Or...he could play 5 out and completely spread the floor. There are styles of play that matchup better with other complimentary styles. We have a lot of flexibility and an unusually large amount of players who can mix and match. This year's roster is much better constructed than last year. 

 I would love that lineup, but I still think Pearl will have Denver starting until Pettiford proves himself. I think the more intriguing question is who will be on the floor with the game on the line and at the end of games? As you clearly explained, and I have stated in other posts, this roster provides so many different lineups that Pearl doesn’t have to worry about specific players to substitute. 

[haleycenter 9]

5 hours ago, Skip Jansen said:

Although I've been a long time reader of this site, this is my first time commenting. I used to be a regular participant on ITAT, and still follow AU basketball.....I just don't comment on social media very often anymore. That being said...I feel compelled to address the recent Tahaad Pettiford position distinction, as I believe a lot of people are taking what BP has said far too literally and may be missing a method/agenda to his rhetoric. 

 

First of all...does anyone really think that it's a coincidence that BP made the public comment that TP is "not a PG" just a couple of days ahead of a visit from a transfer PG (Pegues)? Or...that he is now hedging that statement by saying that TP will play some point just days before a transfer 2G (Kelly) commits? One thing I know for sure is that BP never says anything without a reason. And...there is definitely a method in his most recent ones. 

 

The hardest thing to do in today's climate (transfer portal/NIL) is to develop quality depth. That makes it virtually impossible to recruit over the top of a current player or bring in a high level transfer and freshman in the same year. One of them is gonna be unhappy and leave. BP learned that the hard way with the Trey Alexander situation. Believe me...BP knows how good we would have been the last couple of years with Alexander. So....does anyone really think he's gonna risk that again? He's just trying to build the best roster possible under the rules that have been set. What BP says publicly is what he wants out there and he's earned that right. Whether it's semantically filled is irrelevant. Who cares what verbiage BP uses to distinguish TP's position? This is the age of position less basketball anyway, right? It's obvious that BP wants TP and Pegues on the floor at the same time, so...he can call TP whatever he wants.. Transfers want to come in and play and they know if a school has signed the number one recruit, in the country, at their position. So...does it sound like BP is contradicting himself occasionally or sending mixed signals? Sure, he says things like....TP is "not a PG" and is gonna play "off the ball", but then says that he wants the "ball in his hands"  because he's a "great scorer and shooter". When did those skills become a detriment to playing PG?  Mark Sears, Wade Taylor, and Josh Hubbard share those same skills and they are called PGs. Again, the terminology is not what's important....it's an intended message not normal discourse after all. Getting them both to AU is what's important. 

 

I've been fortunate to have seen TP play several times, but there's no reason for me to state my opinion about his natural position. I'll leave that to BP and everyone will get to see for themselves in November. I will say this....he is not a 2G in the traditional sense. He is not a guy that will be coming off a pin down or curling off a staggered screen hunting three point shots. Does that mean he can't play "off the ball"? Well...how is he gonna be "off the ball" if the ball is in his hands a good portion of the time? Nevermind. 😁 Whatever he's labeled...he's incredible off the bounce. His first step is off the charts (his speed is the first thing you notice). He is great at getting to the rim in ball screen action (but he's not a PG? 😂)  or not. I'll be interested in seeing how teams defend him and how BP utilizes him. In ball screens....most teams will likely try and go under forcing him to make perimeter and mid range shots. If he makes those consistently...he's basically unstoppable because he will turn the corner and get downhill against any other coverage. He and Broome should be lethal in ball screens because when he turns the corner because the weak side post defender will have to step up, so expect a lot of lobs for dunks. Did I mention that his passing (particularly in the paint) is elite? He also has a jab step that will be a crowd favorite. I think BP will overload a side a lot as well to keep the help side defense occupied in other action. Probably see more dribble hand off stuff in order to get a switch and attack it (although he doesn't really need a mismatch because he can get by anyone). 

 

Something else to consider....the way the block/charge rule is being called now is a much bigger change than most realize. Officials will not allow a help side defender to just "stand at the alter" in the lane and draw a charge anymore. That's gonna be a block call every time going forward. We didn't see it much last year because we didn't have a guard that could penetrate. Pettiford is gonna have a field day with it. He is a great finisher at the rim as well. He plays much bigger than he is and will go to the FT line a lot. As a matter of fact...I expect us to be a high quantity FTA team overall. He's also really good at recognition, decision making and 

controlling tempo and pace (I know, I know...he's not a PG 😜). Those skills obviously make him dangerous in transition as well. 

 

So, In summation....it doesn't matter what TP's position designation is. He can be called a lead guard, combo guard, or "bucket getter" (or whatever), so....everyone can pick their favorite. What does matter is his production level. IMO...he will be one of our top 3 in minutes played, usage, and scoring. FWIW...I don't  typically use hyperbole when discussing incoming freshmen because 99% of them are already overhyped. That's not the case with TP....he's the real deal. I'll be interested to see social media comments in January/February. I'm guessing the rhetoric will consist of a lot of...."He shouldn't go unless he's guaranteed being a first rounder" and..."The latest NBA Mock Draft has him going at number 26 in the first round".  Oh wait....that's what they have him now. 

 

Sorry for being so long winded and thank you for allowing me to interject on this matter. I hope it didn't come off as me dissing others because that's not the case. I like Pegues, Kelly, and Jones...they are all good players, but...Pettiford is a legit difference maker. War Eagle!

 

Really Skip??

I remember you from the scout forums boards. I'm not sure if that is what you mean by ITAT. And, it's good to see you around and know you're well. 

But, I'm gonna be up front. There was a lot of veiled shots at me in this post rather you admit it or not. And,  you used to do that over there too. So, let me get a couple of things straight. 

You've seen him play in person and that's fine, but we can all look at tape as well sir and there is plenty of that out there.  Now we can go around in circles all we want but here's the bottom line. A 5'10" man is not playing the 2 guard in the SEC. I don't know what hopium you guys are smoking but just use your brains. There's never been a 5'10 2 play in the SEC in 10 years. Why would that happen now

Now. Like I said Pearl was talking in circles and being unclear. And, that's exactly what you did up there as well.  I think it was you that someone said had an inside track to the basketball program. If so, that's fine. If Pearl had to claim Pettiford would be a 2 to get Pegues here, that's something going on with him or yall. 

But, don't come on here taking shots at me for simply understanding basketball and paying close attention.  

Now, also. As far as who or what Pettiford is. Let's not get carried away. Yes, he's number one for pgs but he was about 30th overall. That means it was a weak class for point guards.  If he was mythical like you're hyping him up to be he would be top 5-10. 

I just speak reality. I don't want to come across as a negative person. And, all you guys throwing names like Stoudamire and A.I. and even Brandon Jennings. Please understand those elite level NBA guards like Marbury, Stoudamire, Tim Hardaway, Iverson etc. They are fast enough and elusive enough not just forward and backwards but left to right to put you 3 feet to the right while they go 3 feet to the left, then they have a j lethal enough to pull it and stick it. 

You can just keep giving the ball to a guy like that and get out the way and let them go. That is not what Pettiford is and if he was he'd be top 5 in his class. And, as someone who's actually stepped on a D-1 court I can tell you he's too frail  to dominate a major d1 game or above consistently. And, he doen't have the body type that can bulk up to that either. Which is probably part of the reason he's not ranked higher amongst others. He's not an elite passers. He's a good one though.

The designation between lead guard, combo guard, scoring guard and point guard is important because for those of us who know the game well, we know they are different things. That's why the designations exist in the first place. A combo guard who can move to the 2 starts at 6'1." Pettiford is a scoring guard. He's too small to be a two guard.  

Like I said earlier, a good comparison is an undersized Jeff Teague or maybe even an undersized John Wall. And, he's not a first round lock. I wouldn't be surprised if some mock drafts did have him going first round just based on name. But, he'll be lucky to play a back up point roll in the league for 5 years and it's a coin flip if that happens. He may go overseas. And, that's ok.  

But, what he can do for us is alot by opening up the game and getting penetration, knocking down 3s, and being able to  create his own shot. That's something that has been badly missing from Auburn basketball for a while now.  But, as someone else here who was using their brain said, how  can he be first round draft pick for us if he's playing 2? Because, he can't be a 2 in the NBA. There's your answer. 

If you see Pettiford at the 2 that's a bad spot for us and won't work. And, I'm confident in saying that. And, if  you see Denver at point that's a disaster waiting to happen.  I hope Pearl is not promising these guys playing time and putting them in wrong spots to do that. Because that wouldn't be good. Like Jabari Smith spent WAY too much time on the perimeter and should have been operating inside more. But, even ESPN announcers pointed that out as well.  

But, I'm just a dude watching the game and on a message board. If the program sent you here to change the thought process about the program or parts of it, that's all well and good. But, don't come taking shots at me in the process. 

I don't appreciate that.  

[AUSCalum87 453]

32 minutes ago, Skip Jansen said:

Is it okay if I ask a question? This is based on a pretty general observation so I might be incorrect, but I'm very curious about something-

Why was the anticipation of Aiden so high, yet there is a seemingly reserved attitude towards Tahaad? I have been a basketball scout close to 30 years and I can say without any hesitation that there is no comparison between the two players. I was never high on Aiden. I never saw a skill set that translated to high major college basketball. By contrast....I think that TP has skills and athleticism that translate perfect to this level. I mean...if TP isn't a PG, then AH sure as hell isn't. AH does not possess one skill that makes him a better PG candidate than TP. TP has every skill required to be an elite PG (and the NBA agrees with me). 
 

What  am I missing? I feel like I'm in Looneyville. 

 

 

You’re not alone! Finally, I thought I was losing my mind as well last year. When I saw Aden come out of high school, I just never saw that explosiveness and special ability most people were talking about. Could he shoot? Sure. But I just never thought he was going to be a difference maker for us last year as others were thinking. I think the difference in Aden and Pettiford could be that some are hesitant to get hyped over another high school star since Aden was a disappointment and that Pettiford is playing behind many veterans and not thinking he can play many minutes.

I’m wi the you though. I think Pettiford is much different than Aden. He is way more aggressive, better defensively, shot selection is much better and he just has that Alpha type mentality you need in a guard that I think Aden lacks. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pettiford becomes a starter later on in the year, but to begin the year, I just don’t think Pearl is going to do that again unless Pettiford just absolutely dominates in preseason.

And that right there should tell you how much better our backcourt is compared to last year. Aden was being played out of necessity. Pettiford is a luxury. I also really think many people are underestimating Pegues. If he comes close to his production at Furman, we’re going to have a special year. As I said before, I think this is Bruce’s deepest and most talented backcourt since our Final Four run.

[Skip Jansen 33]

5 minutes ago, haleycenter said:

 

Really Skip??

I remember you from the scout forums boards. I'm not sure if that is what you mean by ITAT. And, it's good to see you around and know you're well. 

But, I'm gonna be up front. There was a lot of veiled shots at me in this post rather you admit it or not. And,  you used to do that over there too. So, let me get a couple of things straight. 

You've seen him play in person and that's fine, but we can all look at tape as well sir and there is plenty of that out there.  Now we can go around in circles all we want but here's the bottom line. A 5'10" man is not playing the 2 guard in the SEC. I don't know what hopium you guys are smoking but just use your brains. There's never been a 5'10 2 play in the SEC in 10 years. Why would that happen now

Now. Like I said Pearl was talking in circles and being unclear. And, that's exactly what you did up there as well.  I think it was you that someone said had an inside track to the basketball program. If so, that's fine. If Pearl had to claim Pettiford would be a 2 to get Pegues here, that's something going on with him or yall. 

But, don't come on here taking shots at me for simply understanding basketball and paying close attention.  

Now, also. As far as who or what Pettiford is. Let's not get carried away. Yes, he's number one for pgs but he was about 30th overall. That means it was a weak class for point guards.  If he was mythical like you're hyping him up to be he would be top 5-10. 

I just speak reality. I don't want to come across as a negative person. And, all you guys throwing names like Stoudamire and A.I. and even Brandon Jennings. Please understand those elite level NBA guards like Marbury, Stoudamire, Tim Hardaway, Iverson etc. They are fast enough and elusive enough not just forward and backwards but left to right to put you 3 feet to the right while they go 3 feet to the left, then they have a j lethal enough to pull it and stick it. 

You can just keep giving the ball to a guy like that and get out the way and let them go. That is not what Pettiford is and if he was he'd be top 5 in his class. And, as someone who's actually stepped on a D-1 court I can tell you he's too frail  to dominate a major d1 game or above consistently. And, he doen't have the body type that can bulk up to that either. Which is probably part of the reason he's not ranked higher amongst others. He's not an elite passers. He's a good one though.

The designation between lead guard, combo guard, scoring guard and point guard is important because for those of us who know the game well, we know they are different things. That's why the designations exist in the first place. A combo guard who can move to the 2 starts at 6'1." Pettiford is a scoring guard. He's too small to be a two guard.  

Like I said earlier, a good comparison is an undersized Jeff Teague or maybe even an undersized John Wall. And, he's not a first round lock. I wouldn't be surprised if some mock drafts did have him going first round just based on name. But, he'll be lucky to play a back up point roll in the league for 5 years and it's a coin flip if that happens. He may go overseas. And, that's ok.  

But, what he can do for us is alot by opening up the game and getting penetration, knocking down 3s, and being able to  create his own shot. That's something that has been badly missing from Auburn basketball for a while now.  But, as someone else here who was using their brain said, how  can he be first round draft pick for us if he's playing 2? Because, he can't be a 2 in the NBA. There's your answer. 

If you see Pettiford at the 2 that's a bad spot for us and won't work. And, I'm confident in saying that. And, if  you see Denver at point that's a disaster waiting to happen.  I hope Pearl is not promising these guys playing time and putting them in wrong spots to do that. Because that wouldn't be good. Like Jabari Smith spent WAY too much time on the perimeter and should have been operating inside more. But, even ESPN announcers pointed that out as well.  

But, I'm just a dude watching the game and on a message board. If the program sent you here to change the thought process about the program or parts of it, that's all well and good. But, don't come taking shots at me in the process. 

I don't appreciate that.  

Hold on. I was taking shots at you? I can promise you that's not true. Where did you get that from? I'm not sure I recall any of your comments here and not sure who you were on ITAT. You are taking my comment personally when nothing could be further from the truth. 

[Lotto 265]

21 minutes ago, haleycenter said:

 

Really Skip??

I remember you from the scout forums boards. I'm not sure if that is what you mean by ITAT. And, it's good to see you around and know you're well. 

But, I'm gonna be up front. There was a lot of veiled shots at me in this post rather you admit it or not. And,  you used to do that over there too. So, let me get a couple of things straight. 

You've seen him play in person and that's fine, but we can all look at tape as well sir and there is plenty of that out there.  Now we can go around in circles all we want but here's the bottom line. A 5'10" man is not playing the 2 guard in the SEC. I don't know what hopium you guys are smoking but just use your brains. There's never been a 5'10 2 play in the SEC in 10 years. Why would that happen now

Now. Like I said Pearl was talking in circles and being unclear. And, that's exactly what you did up there as well.  I think it was you that someone said had an inside track to the basketball program. If so, that's fine. If Pearl had to claim Pettiford would be a 2 to get Pegues here, that's something going on with him or yall. 

But, don't come on here taking shots at me for simply understanding basketball and paying close attention.  

Now, also. As far as who or what Pettiford is. Let's not get carried away. Yes, he's number one for pgs but he was about 30th overall. That means it was a weak class for point guards.  If he was mythical like you're hyping him up to be he would be top 5-10. 

I just speak reality. I don't want to come across as a negative person. And, all you guys throwing names like Stoudamire and A.I. and even Brandon Jennings. Please understand those elite level NBA guards like Marbury, Stoudamire, Tim Hardaway, Iverson etc. They are fast enough and elusive enough not just forward and backwards but left to right to put you 3 feet to the right while they go 3 feet to the left, then they have a j lethal enough to pull it and stick it. 

You can just keep giving the ball to a guy like that and get out the way and let them go. That is not what Pettiford is and if he was he'd be top 5 in his class. And, as someone who's actually stepped on a D-1 court I can tell you he's too frail  to dominate a major d1 game or above consistently. And, he doen't have the body type that can bulk up to that either. Which is probably part of the reason he's not ranked higher amongst others. He's not an elite passers. He's a good one though.

The designation between lead guard, combo guard, scoring guard and point guard is important because for those of us who know the game well, we know they are different things. That's why the designations exist in the first place. A combo guard who can move to the 2 starts at 6'1." Pettiford is a scoring guard. He's too small to be a two guard.  

Like I said earlier, a good comparison is an undersized Jeff Teague or maybe even an undersized John Wall. And, he's not a first round lock. I wouldn't be surprised if some mock drafts did have him going first round just based on name. But, he'll be lucky to play a back up point roll in the league for 5 years and it's a coin flip if that happens. He may go overseas. And, that's ok.  

But, what he can do for us is alot by opening up the game and getting penetration, knocking down 3s, and being able to  create his own shot. That's something that has been badly missing from Auburn basketball for a while now.  But, as someone else here who was using their brain said, how  can he be first round draft pick for us if he's playing 2? Because, he can't be a 2 in the NBA. There's your answer. 

If you see Pettiford at the 2 that's a bad spot for us and won't work. And, I'm confident in saying that. And, if  you see Denver at point that's a disaster waiting to happen.  I hope Pearl is not promising these guys playing time and putting them in wrong spots to do that. Because that wouldn't be good. Like Jabari Smith spent WAY too much time on the perimeter and should have been operating inside more. But, even ESPN announcers pointed that out as well.  

But, I'm just a dude watching the game and on a message board. If the program sent you here to change the thought process about the program or parts of it, that's all well and good. But, don't come taking shots at me in the process. 

I don't appreciate that.  

Dude this is overly sensitive you seem to be smart and have a great grasp but let’s not have unnecessary drama!

[Skip Jansen 33]

18 minutes ago, haleycenter said:

 

Really Skip??

I remember you from the scout forums boards. I'm not sure if that is what you mean by ITAT. And, it's good to see you around and know you're well. 

But, I'm gonna be up front. There was a lot of veiled shots at me in this post rather you admit it or not. And,  you used to do that over there too. So, let me get a couple of things straight. 

You've seen him play in person and that's fine, but we can all look at tape as well sir and there is plenty of that out there.  Now we can go around in circles all we want but here's the bottom line. A 5'10" man is not playing the 2 guard in the SEC. I don't know what hopium you guys are smoking but just use your brains. There's never been a 5'10 2 play in the SEC in 10 years. Why would that happen now

Now. Like I said Pearl was talking in circles and being unclear. And, that's exactly what you did up there as well.  I think it was you that someone said had an inside track to the basketball program. If so, that's fine. If Pearl had to claim Pettiford would be a 2 to get Pegues here, that's something going on with him or yall. 

But, don't come on here taking shots at me for simply understanding basketball and paying close attention.  

Now, also. As far as who or what Pettiford is. Let's not get carried away. Yes, he's number one for pgs but he was about 30th overall. That means it was a weak class for point guards.  If he was mythical like you're hyping him up to be he would be top 5-10. 

I just speak reality. I don't want to come across as a negative person. And, all you guys throwing names like Stoudamire and A.I. and even Brandon Jennings. Please understand those elite level NBA guards like Marbury, Stoudamire, Tim Hardaway, Iverson etc. They are fast enough and elusive enough not just forward and backwards but left to right to put you 3 feet to the right while they go 3 feet to the left, then they have a j lethal enough to pull it and stick it. 

You can just keep giving the ball to a guy like that and get out the way and let them go. That is not what Pettiford is and if he was he'd be top 5 in his class. And, as someone who's actually stepped on a D-1 court I can tell you he's too frail  to dominate a major d1 game or above consistently. And, he doen't have the body type that can bulk up to that either. Which is probably part of the reason he's not ranked higher amongst others. He's not an elite passers. He's a good one though.

The designation between lead guard, combo guard, scoring guard and point guard is important because for those of us who know the game well, we know they are different things. That's why the designations exist in the first place. A combo guard who can move to the 2 starts at 6'1." Pettiford is a scoring guard. He's too small to be a two guard.  

Like I said earlier, a good comparison is an undersized Jeff Teague or maybe even an undersized John Wall. And, he's not a first round lock. I wouldn't be surprised if some mock drafts did have him going first round just based on name. But, he'll be lucky to play a back up point roll in the league for 5 years and it's a coin flip if that happens. He may go overseas. And, that's ok.  

But, what he can do for us is alot by opening up the game and getting penetration, knocking down 3s, and being able to  create his own shot. That's something that has been badly missing from Auburn basketball for a while now.  But, as someone else here who was using their brain said, how  can he be first round draft pick for us if he's playing 2? Because, he can't be a 2 in the NBA. There's your answer. 

If you see Pettiford at the 2 that's a bad spot for us and won't work. And, I'm confident in saying that. And, if  you see Denver at point that's a disaster waiting to happen.  I hope Pearl is not promising these guys playing time and putting them in wrong spots to do that. Because that wouldn't be good. Like Jabari Smith spent WAY too much time on the perimeter and should have been operating inside more. But, even ESPN announcers pointed that out as well.  

But, I'm just a dude watching the game and on a message board. If the program sent you here to change the thought process about the program or parts of it, that's all well and good. But, don't come taking shots at me in the process. 

I don't appreciate that.  

Look....I had no intentions of upsetting anyone here. I was just making an observation and giving my perspective on it. This obviously is not a place where I'm welcome, so I'll move on. I apologize that you feel like I took shots at you. Honestly...I have no idea who you are or familiar with any of your comment history. I also apologize if anyone else was offended. Take care. War Eagle!

[AUSCalum87 453]

1 minute ago, Skip Jansen said:

Look....I had no intentions of upsetting anyone here. I was just making an observation and giving my perspective on it. This obviously is not a place where I'm welcome, so I'll move on. I apologize that you feel like I took shots at you. Honestly...I have no idea who you are or familiar with any of your comment history. I also apologize if anyone else was offended. Take care. War Eagle!

Don’t go, there seems to be some kind of misunderstanding and especially don’t let one person just run you off. You bring a lot of knowledge and basketball discussion when it’s difficult to get that on an Auburn forum. 

[Lotto 265]

4 minutes ago, Skip Jansen said:

Look....I had no intentions of upsetting anyone here. I was just making an observation and giving my perspective on it. This obviously is not a place where I'm welcome, so I'll move on. I apologize that you feel like I took shots at you. Honestly...I have no idea who you are or familiar with any of your comment history. I also apologize if anyone else was offended. Take care. War Eagle!

You don’t gotta leave just because one person got upset.  We appreciate your perspective!

[Lotto 265]

I want yall both on here yall know 10000% more than me and both have obviously a lot of knowledge.  Let’s all be friends!

[Skip Jansen 33]

Thanks fellows, but I didn't come here to cause any controversy or disrespect anyone. My comment was not focused at anyone.....I just wanted to discuss AU basketball. I appreciate the support but I'm just gonna go back to lurking on occasion. War Eagle!

[boisnumber1 2,897]

3 or 4 users have done a great job of really ruining the basketball forum.

[Lotto 265]

Moving along. (Anyone can correct me whenever I say something wrong). Does addarin Scott get any playing time?  And if not was he just a miss?  Why did we bring him in if he doesn’t offer anything?  Not trying to disrespect him but I thought he would have played some last year, was it just because of cardwell and broome being such a force?

Edited May 27 by Lotto

[AUtigers2324 45]

14 minutes ago, Lotto said:

Moving along. (Anyone can correct me whenever I say something wrong). Does addarin Scott get any playing time?  And if not was he just a miss?  Why did we bring him in if he doesn’t offer anything?  Not trying to disrespect him but I thought he would have played some last year, was it just because of cardwell and broome being such a force?

Good question that I’ve wondered as well. He only ever played with the walk-ons last year when the bench was emptied in blowouts.

[haleycenter 9]

44 minutes ago, Lotto said:

Dude this is overly sensitive you seem to be smart and have a great grasp but let’s not have unnecessary drama!

It's not overly sensitive. You can look and see I was indeed the one who called into question Pettiford playing the 2. I also used terms like lead, combo etc.  

Then out of nowhere, Skip decides to come and make a post saying don't worry about what he plays and all this stuff. That's one heck of a coincidence. I just called it out. 

Now, he's saying he's going to leave and someone is talking about who is ruining the boards. It doesn't seem like any opinion that is not rah rah is too accepted here.  

I don't think Skip needs to go anywhere but I can call it straight it down the middle. 

[Auburn93 732]

1 hour ago, haleycenter said:

 

Really Skip??

I remember you from the scout forums boards. I'm not sure if that is what you mean by ITAT. And, it's good to see you around and know you're well. 

But, I'm gonna be up front. There was a lot of veiled shots at me in this post rather you admit it or not. And,  you used to do that over there too. So, let me get a couple of things straight. 

You've seen him play in person and that's fine, but we can all look at tape as well sir and there is plenty of that out there.  Now we can go around in circles all we want but here's the bottom line. A 5'10" man is not playing the 2 guard in the SEC. I don't know what hopium you guys are smoking but just use your brains. There's never been a 5'10 2 play in the SEC in 10 years. Why would that happen now

Now. Like I said Pearl was talking in circles and being unclear. And, that's exactly what you did up there as well.  I think it was you that someone said had an inside track to the basketball program. If so, that's fine. If Pearl had to claim Pettiford would be a 2 to get Pegues here, that's something going on with him or yall. 

But, don't come on here taking shots at me for simply understanding basketball and paying close attention.  

Now, also. As far as who or what Pettiford is. Let's not get carried away. Yes, he's number one for pgs but he was about 30th overall. That means it was a weak class for point guards.  If he was mythical like you're hyping him up to be he would be top 5-10. 

I just speak reality. I don't want to come across as a negative person. And, all you guys throwing names like Stoudamire and A.I. and even Brandon Jennings. Please understand those elite level NBA guards like Marbury, Stoudamire, Tim Hardaway, Iverson etc. They are fast enough and elusive enough not just forward and backwards but left to right to put you 3 feet to the right while they go 3 feet to the left, then they have a j lethal enough to pull it and stick it. 

You can just keep giving the ball to a guy like that and get out the way and let them go. That is not what Pettiford is and if he was he'd be top 5 in his class. And, as someone who's actually stepped on a D-1 court I can tell you he's too frail  to dominate a major d1 game or above consistently. And, he doen't have the body type that can bulk up to that either. Which is probably part of the reason he's not ranked higher amongst others. He's not an elite passers. He's a good one though.

The designation between lead guard, combo guard, scoring guard and point guard is important because for those of us who know the game well, we know they are different things. That's why the designations exist in the first place. A combo guard who can move to the 2 starts at 6'1." Pettiford is a scoring guard. He's too small to be a two guard.  

Like I said earlier, a good comparison is an undersized Jeff Teague or maybe even an undersized John Wall. And, he's not a first round lock. I wouldn't be surprised if some mock drafts did have him going first round just based on name. But, he'll be lucky to play a back up point roll in the league for 5 years and it's a coin flip if that happens. He may go overseas. And, that's ok.  

But, what he can do for us is alot by opening up the game and getting penetration, knocking down 3s, and being able to  create his own shot. That's something that has been badly missing from Auburn basketball for a while now.  But, as someone else here who was using their brain said, how  can he be first round draft pick for us if he's playing 2? Because, he can't be a 2 in the NBA. There's your answer. 

If you see Pettiford at the 2 that's a bad spot for us and won't work. And, I'm confident in saying that. And, if  you see Denver at point that's a disaster waiting to happen.  I hope Pearl is not promising these guys playing time and putting them in wrong spots to do that. Because that wouldn't be good. Like Jabari Smith spent WAY too much time on the perimeter and should have been operating inside more. But, even ESPN announcers pointed that out as well.  

But, I'm just a dude watching the game and on a message board. If the program sent you here to change the thought process about the program or parts of it, that's all well and good. But, don't come taking shots at me in the process. 

I don't appreciate that.  

And so it begins...

[TexasTiger 14,068]

1 hour ago, haleycenter said:

If the program sent you here to change the thought process about the program or parts of it, that's all well and good. But, don't come taking shots at me in the process. 

 

Lighten up, Francis.

[AUGoo 2,678]

Someone get the Midol out.

[arktiger1975 642]

Nobody eats their own like Auburn fans.

[GwillMac6 20,849]

Weeeeelllllllp I guess I only have myself to blame. I jinxed it talking about how the vibes and mood had changed in here for the better… my fault yall!!!! 😭😭

 

[GwillMac6 20,849]

@AUSCalum87 favorite player and topic of discussion!!! 😁😬🤭

 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,992]

2 hours ago, Lotto said:

Moving along. (Anyone can correct me whenever I say something wrong). Does addarin Scott get any playing time?  And if not was he just a miss?  Why did we bring him in if he doesn’t offer anything?  Not trying to disrespect him but I thought he would have played some last year, was it just because of cardwell and broome being such a force?

To bring in a 3rd center that was only going to play in case of extreme emergency + be a culture guy. The same role Stretch played before left and was replaced by Scott

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,992]

I was going to reply to Skip’s post before I continued to scroll down and saw whatever mess continued on from there

A big part why there’s reservations about TP is because of AH. Right or wrong, some people look at Aden’s disappointing play and couple it with our string of non-ideal “PG” play. I think if the Aden situation occurs 2 seasons earlier, ppl would wipe it off as just the player being overrated. It’s about timing and of course the two players being rated somewhat similarly out of HS. 

[JuscAUse! 1,630]

1 hour ago, arktiger1975 said:

Nobody eats their own like Auburn fans.

Absolutely 

[Lotto 265]

2 hours ago, haleycenter said:

It's not overly sensitive. You can look and see I was indeed the one who called into question Pettiford playing the 2. I also used terms like lead, combo etc.  

Then out of nowhere, Skip decides to come and make a post saying don't worry about what he plays and all this stuff. That's one heck of a coincidence. I just called it out. 

Now, he's saying he's going to leave and someone is talking about who is ruining the boards. It doesn't seem like any opinion that is not rah rah is too accepted here.  

I don't think Skip needs to go anywhere but I can call it straight it down the middle. 

Dude everyone’s entitled to their opinion and if he disagrees with you that’s fine, you can counter and disagree but you don’t have to make it so serious, you know? This is auburn family not Auburn fatality 😂