Iran's Role

[homersapien 12,259]

Chances seem pretty high IMO that Israel attacks Iran at some point.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-north-korea-weapons-703e33663ea299f920d0d14039adfbb8

Evidence shows Hamas militants likely used some North Korean weapons in attack on Israel

 

 

[AUDub 11,970]

Iran is the destabilizing force in the region and we’re eventually going to have to deal with them. 

[I_M4_AU 8,976]

1 hour ago, AUDub said:

Iran is the destabilizing force in the region and we’re eventually going to have to deal with them. 

Good thing we are negotiating with Iran to develop nuclear weapons, relaxed oil export sanctions and allowed them access to $6 billion recently.

[AU9377 6,057]

3 hours ago, AUDub said:

Iran is the destabilizing force in the region and we’re eventually going to have to deal with them. 

Unfortunate, but true.

[AU9377 6,057]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Good thing we are negotiating with Iran to develop nuclear weapons, relaxed oil export sanctions and allowed them access to $6 billion recently.

Because you would rather they do what they have been doing, which is operating without any guidelines or incentives to act responsibly?

[I_M4_AU 8,976]

15 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Because you would rather they do what they have been doing, which is operating without any guidelines or incentives to act responsibly?

Since when have they had any guidelines or acted responsibility since they have been a theocracy?

[AU9377 6,057]

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Since when have they had any guidelines or acted responsibility since they have been a theocracy?

The agreement was done in conjunction with EU allies and offered limited trade.  In exchange, inspectors would be allowed to tour facilities and monitor uranium enrichment and Iran would agree to limit their nuclear program to the production of energy.  Whether they would fully comply in the future is irrelevant.  The fact is that without any agreement whatsoever, they were free to move full speed ahead with developing weapons.  Unless we were prepared to take military action, it was better than nothing at all.  Pulling out was choosing nothing at all.

France and Germany were able to keep the agreement in place without us, but not being a party to the agreement was not a punishment with any real consequences for Iran.

[CoffeeTiger 5,912]

29 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

The agreement was done in conjunction with EU allies and offered limited trade.  In exchange, inspectors would be allowed to tour facilities and monitor uranium enrichment and Iran would agree to limit their nuclear program to the production of energy.  Whether they would fully comply in the future is irrelevant.  The fact is that without any agreement whatsoever, they were free to move full speed ahead with developing weapons.  Unless we were prepared to take military action, it was better than nothing at all.  Pulling out was choosing nothing at all.

France and Germany were able to keep the agreement in place without us, but not being a party to the agreement was not a punishment with any real consequences for Iran.

 

Yep, Trump withdrawing from the Iran agreement with no backup plan on how to keep Iran accountable was a massive blunder on his Administrations part..perhaps one of his biggest. 

 

 

 

[homersapien 12,259]

22 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

Yep, Trump withdrawing from the Iran agreement with no backup plan on how to keep Iran accountable was a massive blunder on his Administrations part..perhaps one of his biggest.

Only because he wasn't re-elected.  Pulling out of NATO would have been worse.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

Israel has been trying to get us into a war with Iran for over a decade.  If we allow that to happen, we are fools.

We should stop playing into the rhetoric of war and, promote peace. 

[AUDub 11,970]

20 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

Israel has been trying to get us into a war with Iran for over a decade.  If we allow that to happen, we are fools.

We should stop playing into the rhetoric of war and, promote peace. 

We can’t act like Iran is completely without agency here. How does one go about promoting peace here?

Yes we had a hand in making them what they are and do bear some responsibility for the blowback that came with removing Mossadegh but at the same time state sponsorship of terrorism is, well, put frankly, bad.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

2 hours ago, AUDub said:

We can’t act like Iran is completely without agency here. How does one go about promoting peace here?

Yes we had a hand in making them what they are and do bear some responsibility for the blowback that came with removing Mossadegh but at the same time state sponsorship of terrorism is, well, put frankly, bad.

I never said they were without any blame.  That would be foolish.

I think you are ignoring our acts of hostility and "terrorism" against them.

You promote peace through diplomacy and, by toning down the arrogant, aggressive rhetoric.