TexasTiger 14,364 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,781 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Currently the biggest threat to Democracy is the Democrats weaponizing the DOJ and FBI in an effort to influence the 2024 election. 1 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,262 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) The Republican party is no more. It disappeared down the totalitarian hole. Edited August 19, 2023 by homersapien 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,240 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, homersapien said: The Republican party is no more. It disappeared down the totalitarian hole. The Democratic Party is also no more. It disappeared down the communist hole. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,262 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, autigeremt said: The Democratic Party is also no more. It disappeared down the communist hole. "Communist"???! You are so funny! Edited August 19, 2023 by homersapien 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,468 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, autigeremt said: The Democratic Party is also no more. It disappeared down the communist hole. That is just dumb. Intellectually, practically, in reality,,, just dumb. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,511 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Mikey said: Currently the biggest threat to Democracy is the Democrats weaponizing the DOJ and FBI in an effort to influence the 2024 election. Would you support raising the voting age to 25? 3 hours ago, autigeremt said: The Democratic Party is also no more. It disappeared down the communist hole. Would you explain that for me please? I’m not sure I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,974 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Didba said: Would you support raising the voting age to 25? Would you explain that for me please? I’m not sure I understand. Mikey is a loon and emt is a nihilist. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,511 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, AUDub said: Mikey is a loon and emt is a nihilist. Shhh, it’s a deposition tactic… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,240 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 8 hours ago, icanthearyou said: That is just dumb. Intellectually, practically, in reality,,, just dumb. 🙌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,240 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Didba said: Would you support raising the voting age to 25? Would you explain that for me please? I’m not sure I understand. The actions of the party resemble the communist playbook. Just because the outer package shows one thing doesn’t mean the interior is something else. It’s pretty sad that people continue to support either party considering what they have done to the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,781 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 7 hours ago, Didba said: Would you support raising the voting age to 25? My post was about Democrats threatening democracy by weaponizing the DOJ and FBI in order to influence the 2024 election and you reply with this? I think you must be spending this Saturday with one of our well known dopers. When come back, bring sober. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,974 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Mikey said: My post was about Democrats threatening democracy by weaponizing the DOJ and FBI in order to influence the 2024 election and you reply with this? I think you must be spending this Saturday with one of our well known dopers. When come back, bring sober. Well shame on him for trying to, you know, stay on topic. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 6,206 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Yet another Republicans are authoritarians and Dems are communists thread (which devolve into authoritarians as well). Could we try a little… variety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,468 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Are we trending towards fascism or, communism? Are we approaching an extreme right or, left political position or,,, are we balancing the interests of society/humanity and capital/business? What does widening income/wealth inequality suggest? What does the fact that we spend more on welfare for the wealthy than, for the poor suggest? What does the lowest tax rate on passive income suggest? What does privatization suggest? What do campaign finance laws, lobbying laws suggest? What does the destruction of organized labor suggest? Does the broadening of the economy mean that the vast, vast majority of Americans would benefit? Are all boats being lifted on the rising tide? Do we need more oligarchs or,,, would we be better off giving the upper middle class an easier route to being "job creators" again. Should we separate retail banking from investment banking or, should Wall St. determine all capital allocation. Should our "national bank", the Federal Reserve, be a private institution? Do Wall St. bankers and Washington lawyers favor business or, society? Do Wall St. Bankers and Washington lawyers have any social conscience? Should they be the defacto government? The answer is balance. Balance is the way towards a more peaceful prosperous society for all. An economy cannot be sustained on increasing debt. There has to be some real productivity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURex 2,262 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 10:19 AM, TexasTiger said: The Republicans in every state are already doing everything they can to strip voting rights from Blacks, from women, from educated voters, and from young Americans. And their slobbering toe-kissing fidelity to the autocratic vision of Trump confirms their desire to destroy democracy. He's just one more marching in the fascist jack-step. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,781 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, AUDub said: Well shame on him for trying to, you know, stay on topic. If he wanted to stay on topic why quote me, then post a nonsensical reply to my comment? Edited August 21, 2023 by Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,262 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 10 hours ago, AURex said: The Republicans in every state are already doing everything they can to strip voting rights from Blacks, from women, from educated voters, and from young Americans. And their slobbering toe-kissing fidelity to the autocratic vision of Trump confirms their desire to destroy democracy. He's just one more marching in the fascist jack-step. Laugh at this Mikey, since you find the truth so funny. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/17/voting-rights-republicans-texas-restrictions Republicans have already filed dozens of bills to restrict voting in 2023 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/19-states-enacted-voting-restrictions-2021-rcna8342 19 states enacted voting restrictions in 2021. What's next? Republican legislators have prefiled or carried over over dozens of voting restrictions, according to new numbers from the Brennan Center. Also: more partisan ballot reviews. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/5/3/republican-party-is-waging-a-nationwide-assault-on-voting-rights Republican Party is waging a nationwide assault on voting rights If no action is taken, the upcoming midterms may mark the beginning of the end for multiracial democracy in the US. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-republican-push-to-restrict-voting-could-affect-our-elections/ How The Republican Push To Restrict Voting Could Affect Our Elections ....In the aftermath of the 2020 election, Republican lawmakers have pushed new voting restrictions in nearly every state. From making it harder to cast ballots early to increasing the frequency of voter roll purges, at least 25 new restrictive voting laws have been enacted, with more potentially on the horizon. The GOP has introduced such measures in the name of “election integrity,” but at the heart of this effort is former President Donald Trump’s baseless claim that the 2020 election was stolen from him..... https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-october-2021 In an unprecedented year so far for voting legislation, 19 states have enacted 33 laws that will make it harder for Americans to vote. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/voting-restrictions-republicans-states/ How GOP-backed voting measures could create hurdles for tens of millions of voters At least 250 new laws have been proposed in 43 states to limit mail, early in-person and Election Day voting. https://en.wikipedia.org wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election Republican efforts to restrict voting following the 2020 presidential election https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/VOTING-RESTRICTIONS/znvnbdjbkvl/index.html Where voting has become more difficult U.S. states have enacted more than 30 new voting restrictions since 2020. These new laws could trip up voters. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-led-voting-rise-making-elections-vulnerable-meddling/story?id=89408633 GOP-led voting changes are on the rise, making elections more vulnerable to meddling, many analysts say https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20221107-new-election-laws-in-some-republican-states-weaken-voting-rights New election laws in some Republican states weaken voting rights Over the past two years, Republican states in the US have passed several voting rights laws and measures under the guise of fighting voter fraud. The new https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/10/here-are-the-ways-republicans-are-trying-to-restrict-voting-access/ Here Are The Ways Republicans Are Trying To Restrict Voting Access I could go on, but I have actual work to do..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPTiger 5,494 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 9:19 AM, TexasTiger said: Dems = the party that used misinformation to charge the other party with election interference via the use of misinformation. To be clear, Vivek's proposal is not that people younger than 25 can't vote. His proposal is that anyone under 25 must pass the same civic's test that immigrants are required to pass to obtain citizenship. I've never seen the test so I have no opinion about his proposal. I also don't understand how he came to believe that 25 was the right number. But, people like Frum have no intention of giving his followers the entire truth. He just wants people to think like he does. Thankfully he doesn't appear to have too many followers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,364 Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, LPTiger said: Dems = the party that used misinformation to charge the other party with election interference via the use of misinformation. To be clear, Vivek's proposal is not that people younger than 25 can't vote. His proposal is that anyone under 25 must pass the same civic's test that immigrants are required to pass to obtain citizenship. I've never seen the test so I have no opinion about his proposal. I also don't understand how he came to believe that 25 was the right number. But, people like Frum have no intention of giving his followers the entire truth. He just wants people to think like he does. Thankfully he doesn't appear to have too many followers. So you’re open to a civics test before allowing folks who already have the right to vote to retain that right? You’re not opposed to revoking a right since you haven’t seen the test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arein0 1,106 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: So you’re open to a civics test before allowing folks who already have the right to vote to retain that right? You’re not opposed to revoking a right since you haven’t seen the test? Talk about adding a step before you can purchase a gun and Conservatives melt. Restrict 18-25 voting rights and Conservatives are all for it? 🤔 If they are for restricting that age range, would they also be in favor of restricting voting rights for 70+ unless they pass a cognitive impairment test? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeTiger 5,914 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, LPTiger said: Dems = the party that used misinformation to charge the other party with election interference via the use of misinformation. To be clear, Vivek's proposal is not that people younger than 25 can't vote. His proposal is that anyone under 25 must pass the same civic's test that immigrants are required to pass to obtain citizenship. I've never seen the test so I have no opinion about his proposal. I also don't understand how he came to believe that 25 was the right number. But, people like Frum have no intention of giving his followers the entire truth. He just wants people to think like he does. Thankfully he doesn't appear to have too many followers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,781 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, homersapien said: Laugh at this Mikey, since you find the truth so funny. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/17/voting-rights-republicans-texas-restrictions Republicans have already filed dozens of bills to restrict voting in 2023 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/19-states-enacted-voting-restrictions-2021-rcna8342 19 states enacted voting restrictions in 2021. What's next? Republican legislators have prefiled or carried over over dozens of voting restrictions, according to new numbers from the Brennan Center. Also: more partisan ballot reviews. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/5/3/republican-party-is-waging-a-nationwide-assault-on-voting-rights Republican Party is waging a nationwide assault on voting rights If no action is taken, the upcoming midterms may mark the beginning of the end for multiracial democracy in the US. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-republican-push-to-restrict-voting-could-affect-our-elections/ How The Republican Push To Restrict Voting Could Affect Our Elections ....In the aftermath of the 2020 election, Republican lawmakers have pushed new voting restrictions in nearly every state. From making it harder to cast ballots early to increasing the frequency of voter roll purges, at least 25 new restrictive voting laws have been enacted, with more potentially on the horizon. The GOP has introduced such measures in the name of “election integrity,” but at the heart of this effort is former President Donald Trump’s baseless claim that the 2020 election was stolen from him..... https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-october-2021 In an unprecedented year so far for voting legislation, 19 states have enacted 33 laws that will make it harder for Americans to vote. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/voting-restrictions-republicans-states/ How GOP-backed voting measures could create hurdles for tens of millions of voters At least 250 new laws have been proposed in 43 states to limit mail, early in-person and Election Day voting. https://en.wikipedia.org wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election Republican efforts to restrict voting following the 2020 presidential election https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/VOTING-RESTRICTIONS/znvnbdjbkvl/index.html Where voting has become more difficult U.S. states have enacted more than 30 new voting restrictions since 2020. These new laws could trip up voters. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-led-voting-rise-making-elections-vulnerable-meddling/story?id=89408633 GOP-led voting changes are on the rise, making elections more vulnerable to meddling, many analysts say https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20221107-new-election-laws-in-some-republican-states-weaken-voting-rights New election laws in some Republican states weaken voting rights Over the past two years, Republican states in the US have passed several voting rights laws and measures under the guise of fighting voter fraud. The new https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/10/here-are-the-ways-republicans-are-trying-to-restrict-voting-access/ Here Are The Ways Republicans Are Trying To Restrict Voting Access I could go on, but I have actual work to do..... The devil (or in this case the angel) is in the details. Some states need their voting requirements tightened. Nobody wants blacks, women, etc banned from voting. That's hysterical hogwash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,468 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 hours ago, LPTiger said: Dems = the party that used misinformation to charge the other party with election interference via the use of misinformation. To be clear, Vivek's proposal is not that people younger than 25 can't vote. His proposal is that anyone under 25 must pass the same civic's test that immigrants are required to pass to obtain citizenship. I've never seen the test so I have no opinion about his proposal. I also don't understand how he came to believe that 25 was the right number. But, people like Frum have no intention of giving his followers the entire truth. He just wants people to think like he does. Thankfully he doesn't appear to have too many followers. Beyond ignorant. Simply dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,262 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 6 hours ago, TexasTiger said: So you’re open to a civics test before allowing folks who already have the right to vote to retain that right? Yo u’re not opposed to revoking a right since you haven’t seen the test? "Civics test" in order for the under 25 citizens to vote? Smacks of the Jim Crow era. Wonder which party that would likely help? We already know that college students - and grads - lean Democratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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