AUApostle 7,791 Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 1 hour ago, AURex said: The merger of Big10 with PAC12 does make sense in one way. Schools from these two conferences were playing each other every year anyway. So they already have a bond in athletics. It also makes a lot of sense for the PAC12 schools, because the PAC12 was about to sign off on a really devastating media deal that would have essentially erased PAC12 schools from most televisions nationally and offered much less in terms of $$ than any other conference. I'm sure these schools did the math and decided it made sense to jump. Much different for the PAC12 teams going to Big12. There has never been a collaboration or ties between these schools and the Big12. Still, with 4 PAC12 teams jumping to the Big12, it at least makes more sense regionally. As for Stanford and Cal-Berkley, boy they are in a bind. These are elite academic institutions, and although their top 2 sports have been up and down over the years, they are both really strong in Olympic and Directors Cup sports. So they'd be a natural fit in the Big10. But as of the moment, the PAC12 has a guaranteed spot in the expanded CFB Playoff. If the 4 remaining schools stick with the PAC12 and then the PAC12 pulls in some of the better programs out there like Boise State, Utah State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV ....... most likely Oregon State, Cal, or Stanford would reach the CFP every year. Personally, I've always thought the private schools ought to form their own conference. Northwestern Duke Vanderbilt Stanford Boston College Tulane BYU TCU Baylor Wake Forest That's a pretty good 10 member conference. Add in the 3 military academies and Notre Dame, that's a blockbuster conference. Call it NERRD -- the National Elite Rock-N-Roll Division. hahaha You saw it here first! Throw Miami in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMan70 3,322 Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Personally, I think it makes the most sense for the rest of the country to set up the conferences the way the SEC has done so they make sense regionally. It would be better for the teams, fans and players. The top level of college football would have 4 regional super conferences. 1. NEC- Northeast Conference 2. SEC- Southeast Conference 3. NWC- Northwest Conference 4. SWC- Southwest Conference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddc 13,197 Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 1 hour ago, IronMan70 said: Personally, I think it makes the most sense for the rest of the country to set up the conferences the way the SEC has done so they make sense regionally. It would be better for the teams, fans and players. The top level of college football would have 4 regional super conferences. 1. NEC- Northeast Conference 2. SEC- Southeast Conference 3. NWC- Northwest Conference 4. SWC- Southwest Conference That would make too much sense and therefore it’ll never happen. 😝 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURex 2,262 Posted August 8, 2023 Author Share Posted August 8, 2023 7 hours ago, IronMan70 said: Personally, I think it makes the most sense for the rest of the country to set up the conferences the way the SEC has done so they make sense regionally. It would be better for the teams, fans and players. The top level of college football would have 4 regional super conferences. 1. NEC- Northeast Conference 2. SEC- Southeast Conference 3. NWC- Northwest Conference 4. SWC- Southwest Conference Need a conference for the center of the country MEC -- Middle Earth Conference 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUwent 3,841 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 (edited) Alright, here's my proposal. Trying to preserve as much history as I can, but some logistics (realistic number of teams in each conference) forced me to make a few concessions (several OOC rivalry games--Red River, etc.). I did the Pac, the old SWC and Big 8 teams, and the original B1G and SEC. That left 22 teams remaining, and as much as I wanted to leave the original 10 in both the aforementioned conferences to play in a round robin every year, a 22 team conference just wasn't realistic--and when I tried dividing those 22, it resulted in Penn State having for all intents and purposes an entire league to itself. So I gave four of the remaining 22 to the SEC, four to the B1G (including Notre Dame), and the rest got their own conference (the ACC). I decided not to put Clemson, FSU and Miami in the SEC because I'm trying to have some iota of parity between conferences. Conferences can either be 3 permanent opponents with two pairs of 5 rotating or 5 permanent opponents with two pairs of 4 rotating. Atlantic Coastal Boston College Clemson Duke Florida State Georgia Tech Louisville Maryland Miami FL North Carolina North Carolina State Pennsylvania State Pittsburgh South Carolina Syracuse Virginia Virginia Tech Wake Forest West Virginia Big Eighteen Colorado Illinois Indiana Iowa Iowa State Kansas Kansas State Michigan Michigan State Minnesota Missouri Nebraska Northwestern Ohio State Oklahoma Oklahoma State Purdue Wisconsin Pac-12 Arizona Arizona State Brigham Young California-Berkeley California-Los Angeles Oregon Oregon State Southern California Stanford Utah Washington Washington State South Eastern Alabama Arkansas Auburn Baylor Florida Georgia Kentucky Louisiana State Mississippi Mississippi State Tennessee Texas Texas A&M Texas Christian Texas Tech Vanderbilt Edited August 21, 2023 by AUwent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerPAC 1,030 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 2 hours ago, AUwent said: Alright, here's my proposal. Trying to preserve as much history as I can, but some logistics (realistic number of teams in each conference) forced me to make a few concessions (several OOC rivalry games--Clemson/USCe, Florida/FSU, Virginia/VT, etc.). I did the Pac, the old SWC and Big 8 teams, and the original B1G and SEC. That left 22 teams remaining, and as much as I wanted to leave the original 10 in both the aforementioned conferences to play in a round robin every year, a 22 team conference just wasn't realistic--and when I tried dividing those 22, it resulted in Penn State having for all intents and purposes an entire league to itself. So I gave four of the remaining 22 to the SEC, four to the B1G (including Notre Dame), and the rest got their own conference (the ACC). I decided not to put Clemson, FSU and Miami in the SEC because I'm trying to have some iota of parity between conferences. Conferences can either be 3 permanent opponents with two pairs of 5 rotating or 5 permanent opponents with two pairs of 4 rotating. Pac-14 Arizona Arizona State Boise State BYU UC-Berkeley UCLA Colorado Oregon Oregon State USCw Stanford Utah Washington Washington State Big 14 West Arkansas Baylor Houston Iowa State Kansas Kansas State Missouri Nebraska Oklahoma Oklahoma State Texas Texas A&M TCU Texas Tech Big 14 East Illinois Indiana Iowa Michigan Michigan State Minnesota Northwestern Notre Dame Ohio State PSU Pittsburgh Purdue West Virginia Wisconsin ACC Boston College UCF Cincinnati Clemson Duke FSU Maryland Miami FL North Carolina North Carolina State Rutgers Syracuse Virginia Wake Forest SEC Alabama Auburn Florida Georgia Georgia Tech Kentucky LSU Louisville Mississippi Mississippi State USCe Tennessee Vanderbilt Virginia Tech I like it, if it’s necessary and seems as if it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodford 3,751 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 I hate it all but could possibly see it revert within the decade or next. Sankey has already come out and stated the Playoff will need tweaking. I don't like the guy, but he is right. Permanent auto bids in the Playoff could reverse conference expansion IMO but I'm not sure that will remedy the business incentives. Unfortunately, these conferences, TV execs, university presidents, and AD's care more about money than winning or producing a great product. Those of us who have our heels dug in the ground and won't bend to "progress" are called ignorant and old-fashioned. In about a decade you're going to wish we had our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUwent 3,841 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) Alternate proposal: 70 teams, 10-team conferences (all 1998 BCS conf teams + all 2023 P5 teams + either Memphis or SMU): ACC UCF Clemson Duke FSU GT Miami FL North Carolina NCSU USCe Wake Forest Big East (unfortunately, this would probably be a pretty weak conference--PSU would love this) Boston College Maryland PSU Pitt Rutgers Syracuse Temple Virginia VT WV Big Ten Illinois Indiana Iowa Michigan Michigan State Minnesota Northwestern Ohio State Purdue Wisconsin "Mid America East" Arkansas Baylor Cincy Houston Louisville Memphis OR SMU Texas TAMU TCU TTU "Mid America West" BYU Colorado Iowa State Kansas Kansas State Missouri Nebraska Oklahoma Oklahoma State Utah Pac-10 Arizona Arizona State UC-Berkeley UCLA USCw Stanford Oregon Oregon State Washington WSU SEC (just further cements why the "Big Six" are so named...15 of the 25 NCs since the BCS began...) Alabama Auburn Florida Georgia Kentucky LSU Mississippi Mississippi State Tennessee Vanderbilt Edited August 22, 2023 by AUwent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aucanucktiger 1,896 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Kinda sad to see traditions die but IMHO expansion is just not that big of a deal. First, lose the antiquated names (southeast, pac, Atlantic, etc) which are now just silly. Otherwise it's major universities with monster endowment$ flying 18 - 22 year old student athletes across country a couple times each season, plus an hour or two flight each way a couple more times, over a four month period. Frankly, mostly exciting adventures if you're that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUINSY 2,273 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 47 minutes ago, aucanucktiger said: First, lose the antiquated names (southeast, pac, Atlantic, etc) I don’t care what people name conferences as long as there’s no number in the name which will change in 2-4 years anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr82be 14,935 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Just saw where the ACC has voted to add Stanford, Cal and SMU next season. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38304694/sources-acc-votes-invite-stanford-cal-smu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodford 3,751 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, gr82be said: Just saw where the ACC has voted to add Stanford, Cal and SMU next season. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38304694/sources-acc-votes-invite-stanford-cal-smu I like it. This probably means the SEC isn't expanding anytime soon. Idk why the ACC can't sit down with ND and the networks and offer a lucrative deal to become a full-time member. That could save them down the road. If you have Notre Dame schools probably are not going to want to leave you in the future. ND, FSU, Miami, Stanford, UNC, Duke, UVA, Clemson, Cal. Those are big name athletic programs and/or universities. That's not too far from the SEC/B1G. Oh, not to mention the ACC is the only conference now with Florida, Georgia, Texas, and California recruiting. You'd be a fool to leave (that is if you actually care about winning). As much as I hate expansion, I think I can live with this for the next decade or so. Edit: I would've gone after Tulane as well but that's just me Edited September 1, 2023 by woodford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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