The new indictment of Donald Trump

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Trump Told Pence 'You're Too Honest' When He Balked at Jan. 6 Scheme

Tim Dickinson

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Trump Told Pence ‘You’re Too Honest’ When He Objected to Jan. 6 Scheme

The new indictment of the former president reveals how he attempted to browbeat his vice president into subverting democracy

Mike Pence and Donald Trump participates in the Oval Office on Sept. 4, 2020 in Washington, D.C. Getty Images

The new indictment of Donald Trump on conspiracy charges related to his attempts to subvert the results of the 2020 election makes clear that the then-president not only made false claims about who won the presidency, but “knew that they were false.”

Trump’s tortured relationship with the truth is highlighted in an exchange he allegedly had with Vice President Mike Pence on Jan. 1, 2021. Trump, the indictment says, called Pence and “berated him” because Pence opposed efforts to claim that he alone had the power, in his ceremonial role presiding over the counting of the votes of the Electoral College, to reject the official tallies from the states.

As recounted in the indictment, Pence told Trump that — as he understood the laws of our land — there was no constitutional authority invested in the vice president to make such a move.

Trump then allegedly lit into Pence, telling him: “You’re too honest.”

The indictment links Trump’s frustration with this exchange with Pence to an action he took just hours later, when he attempted to turn up the heat on Pence by drawing his angry supporters to Washington, D.C.

“The BIG Protest Rally in Washington, D.C., will take place at 11.00 A.M. on January 6th.” Trump tweeted, adding “StopTheSteal!”

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also has anyone heard about jim jordan being arrested on monday night?

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Trump charged by Justice Department for efforts to overturn his 2020 presidential election loss

ERIC TUCKER

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump was indicted on felony charges Tuesday for working to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in the run-up to the violent riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol, as the Justice Department moved to hold him accountable for his efforts to block the peaceful transfer of power.

The four-count indictment reveals new details about a dark chapter in modern American history, detailing handwritten notes from former Vice President Mike Pence about Trump's relentless goading as well as how Trump sought to exploit the violence of the Jan. 6, 2021 riot to remain in office.

Even in a year of rapid-succession legal reckonings for Trump, Tuesday’s criminal case, with charges including conspiring to defraud the United States government that he once led, was especially stunning in its allegations that a former president assaulted the underpinnings of democracy in a frantic but ultimately failed effort to cling to power.

It accuses him of repeatedly lying about the election results, turning aside repeated overtures from some aides to tell the truth but conspiring with others to try to improperly change vote totals in his favor. It says that on the day of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot, he attempted to “exploit” the chaos by pushing to delay the certification of the election results even after the building was cleared of violent protesters.

Trump's claims of having won the election, said the indictment, were "false, and the Defendant knew they were false. But the defendant repeated and widely disseminated them anyway — to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, to create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and to erode public faith in the administration of the election.”

Federal prosecutors say Donald Trump was “determined to remain in power” in conspiracies that targeted a “bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation’s process of collecting, counting and certifying the results of the presidential election.”

The indictment, the third criminal case brought against the former president as he seeks to reclaim the White House in 2024, follows a long-running federal investigation into schemes by Trump and his allies to subvert the peaceful transfer of power and keep him in office despite a decisive loss to Joe Biden.

Trump is due in court Thursday before U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan.

The criminal case comes while Trump leads the field of Republicans vying to capture their party’s presidential nomination. It is sure to be dismissed by the former president and his supporters — and even some of his rivals — as just another politically motivated prosecution. Yet the charges stem from one of the most serious threats to American democracy in modern history.

They focus on the turbulent two months after the November 2020 election in which Trump refused to accept his loss and spread lies that victory was stolen from him. The turmoil resulted in the U.S. Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, when Trump loyalists violently broke into the building, attacked police officers and disrupted the congressional counting of electoral votes.

In between the election and the riot, Trump urged local election officials to undo voting results in their states, pressured former Vice President Mike Pence to halt the certification of electoral votes and falsely claimed that the election had been stolen — a notion repeatedly rejected by judges.

The indictment had been expected since Trump said in mid-July that the Justice Department informed him he was a target of its long-running Jan. 6 investigation. A bipartisan House committee that spent months investigating the run-up to the Capitol riot also recommended prosecuting Trump on charges, including aiding an insurrection and obstructing an official proceeding.

The mounting criminal cases against Trump — not to mention multiple civil cases — are unfolding in the heat of the 2024 race. A conviction in this case, or any other, would not prevent Trump from pursuing the White House or serving as president.

In New York, state prosecutors have charged Trump with falsifying business records about a hush money payoff to a porn actor before the 2016 election. The trial begins in late March.

In Florida, the Justice Department has brought more than three dozen felony counts against Trump accusing him of illegally possessing classified documents after leaving the White House and concealing them from the government. The trial begins in late May.

The latest federal indictment against Trump focuses heavily on actions taken in Washington, and the trial will be held there, in a courthouse located between the White House he once occupied and the Capitol his supporters once stormed. No trial date has been set.

Prosecutors in Georgia are investigating efforts by Trump and his allies to reverse his election loss to Biden there in 2020. The district attorney of Fulton County is expected to announce a decision on whether to indict the former president in early August.

The investigation of Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election was led by Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith. His team of prosecutors has questioned senior Trump administration officials before a grand jury in Washington, including Pence and top lawyers from the Trump White House.

Rudy Giuliani, a Trump lawyer who pursued post-election legal challenges, spoke voluntarily to prosecutors as part of a proffer agreement, in which a person’s statements can’t be used against them in any future criminal case that is brought.

Prosecutors also interviewed election officials in Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and elsewhere who came under pressure from Trump and his associates to change voting results in states won by Biden, a Democrat.

Focal points of the Justice Department’s election meddling investigation included the role played by some of Trump’s lawyers, post-election fundraising, a chaotic December 2020 meeting at the White House in which some Trump aides discussed the possibility of seizing voting machines and the enlistment of fake electors to submit certificates to the National Archives and Congress falsely asserting that Trump, not Biden, had won their states’ votes.

Trump has been trying to use the mounting legal troubles to his political advantage, claiming without evidence on social media and at public events that the cases are being driven by Democratic prosecutors out to hurt his 2024 election campaign.

The indictments have helped his campaign raise millions of dollars from supporters, though he raised less after the second than the first, raising questions about whether subsequent charges will have the same impact.

A fundraising committee backing Trump’s candidacy began soliciting contributions just hours after the ex-president revealed he was the focus of the Justice Department’s Jan. 6 investigation, casting it as “just another vicious act of Election Interference on behalf of the Deep State to try and stop the Silent Majority from having a voice in your own country.”

Attorney General Merrick Garland last year appointed Smith, an international war crimes prosecutor who also led the Justice Department’s public corruption section, as special counsel to investigate efforts to undo the 2020 election and Trump’s retention of hundreds of classified documents at his Palm Beach, Florida, home, Mar-a-Lago. Although Trump has derided him as “deranged” and suggested that he is politically motivated, Smith’s past experience includes overseeing significant prosecutions against high-profile Democrats.

The Justice Department’s investigation into the efforts to overturn the 2020 election began well before Smith’s appointment, proceeding alongside separate criminal probes into the Jan. 6 rioters themselves.

More than 1,000 people have been charged in connection with the insurrection, including some with seditious conspiracy.

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Associated Press writers Colleen Long, Zeke Miller, Lindsay Whitehurst, Michael Kunzelman and Nomaan Merchant in Washington, Meg Kinnard in Columbia, South Carolina and Alanna Durkin Richer in Boston contributed to this report.

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lock him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What happened to charging him for *insurrection*?  I thought that is what the Jan 6th committee had proved without a doubt.

Oh and was Jim Jordan arrested?  If not why don’t you delete your rumor.

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2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

What happened to charging him for *insurrection*?  I thought that is what the Jan 6th committee had proved without a doubt.

Oh and was Jim Jordan arrested?  If not why don’t you delete your rumor.

back off buddy i ASKED about Jordan there is a podcast about it but it seemed fishy. quit accusing me of stufff i have not done.the other is still coming on the other as far as i know.

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2 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

back off buddy i ASKED about Jordan there is a podcast about it but it seemed fishy.

If it seemed fishy its probably rumor.  It would be easy to check before posting.

Edited August 3, 2023 by I_M4_AU

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5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

If it seemed fishy its probably rumor.  It would be easy to check before posting.

do you EVER apologize about your stupid stuff? that was a lie about me. i asked. a huge difference.

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8 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

do you EVER apologize about your stupid stuff? that was a lie about me. i asked. a huge difference.

The point being if you had a question it could easy to check if he was arrested before you post. It would make life easier.  No apology needed from you on this.

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1 hour ago, toddc said:

Alrighty then. Something like fall camp deserves a stand alone thread, but you do what you were told sir ! 😆 

 

35 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

The point being if you had a question it could easy to check if he was arrested before you post. It would make life easier.  No apology needed from you on this.

no the point is you accused me of spreading rumors which is a lie. a question about someone does not mean it is true but i guess in trump land you guys do not care. the fact you make accusations that are not true and cannot apologize shows what a weak man you are.

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38 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

 

no the point is you accused me of spreading rumors which is a lie. a question about someone does not mean it is true but i guess in trump land you guys do not care. the fact you make accusations that are not true and cannot apologize shows what a weak man you are.

Not sure why you tagged me buddy on this crap thread but you have a problem with anger issues I think.

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58 minutes ago, toddc said:

Not sure why you tagged me buddy on this crap thread but you have a problem with anger issues I think.

obviously it was a mistake. personally i do not care what you think. this is not a reflection of me in real life. but you do what you gotta do...............

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I am certainly not a MAGA, but this article does make some good points.