‘A deranged ploy’: how Republicans are fueling the disinformation wars

[AUFAN78 4,156]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

A text book publisher went as far as to remove references to Rosa Parks that included her race so as not to conflict with Florida textbook policy.  There was no book ban involved, and the State of Florida, to my knowledge, didn't use the textbook.  All the same, for a publisher to feel the need to do that is an example of how wildly craze the entire information banning can become.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/race-deleted-rosa-parks-history-florida-textbooks-1234698582/

That was a mistake the publisher admitted to and apologized for their error. The error is still used by ignorant liberal groups to assign blame to the state who obviously did not use the textbook. This isn't complicated and quite simple for those with a brain. And we worry about QAnon. Sigh.

[I_M4_AU 8,943]

32 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

I’m not arguing with you. And I never said this all was a good thing once. I’m trying to have an adult discussion about something serious. To blame Biden or Democratic lawmakers for the fact that kids think about gender roles differently than they did 40 years ago is ridiculous. It has EVERYTHING to do with social media and the exchange of ideas (good or bad). You’re wrong about it being a thing that Biden has started though. There were gender ideology ideas 3 years ago and you know it. You’re blaming the left because they aren’t willing to demonize and bully kids out of thinking like this.

I totally agree that it has everything to do with social media, but to give Biden a pass is naive.  There have been 18 states that have some restrictions on *gender affirming* care for minors and this administration is pushing back on those states.  Notice that none of these states had any laws against *gender affirming* care 3 years ago.  It has only come to light because they noticed it was being pushed by the White House.  

Teaching gender identity is being taught in K-3 to kids that are more interested in other thing to occupy their minds.  When the social media contagion is taught in public schools where is a parent supposed to turn?  The answer is to their own sense of right and wrong.  Gender identity is not sex education.  The EOs Biden signed were to prevent bullying in schools, so why specifically us gender identity as the subject?  Any subject would do.

I’m blaming the left because it started in left leaning states such as Washington, Oregon and California.  California is working on a bill that would take away a child that believes he/she is trans from parents that are not allies of the trans movement.  Washington has a bill that will allow the state to give puberty blockers to minors if they are homeless and without the parent’s permission.

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — Minors seeking gender-affirming care in Washington will be protected from the intervention of estranged parents under a measure Gov. Jay Inslee signed into law Tuesday.

The new law is part of a wave of legislation this year in Democratic-led states intended to give refuge amid a conservative movement in which lawmakers in other states have attacked transgender rights and limited or banned gender-affirming care for minors.

Existing Washington law generally requires licensed shelters and host homes to notify parents within 72 hours when a minor comes into their care. Under the new law, facilities can instead contact the state Department of Children, Youth and Families, which could then attempt to reunify the family if feasible. Youths will also be allowed to stay at host homes — private, volunteer homes that temporarily house young people without parental permission.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/transgender-minors-protected-from-estranged-parents-under-washington-law

You have to ask yourself; why would there so many be runaway transgender children for a law to be passed to protect them?  When you give kids this kind of power, they will use it.  What could go wrong?

[KansasTiger 3,261]

This all strayed an awful long way away from the original intent of this thread. And my my original question went mostly unanswered. Do democrats really want the govt to have this kind of power this lawsuit would result in knowing that when Trump or another conservative gets inevitably elected, they could then use this power to refocus what they believe misinformation is and censor it? I don't think dems would agree with what is and isn't misinformation if that was the case.

[Gowebb11 9,882]

2 hours ago, KansasTiger said:

I'm not even going to argue on that. That makes me too sad. I just hope those pediatricians stay away from my kids. My kids also won't have their own internet capable smart phones until late high school. Society wants to strip the innocence away from kids. And I'm going to break myself trying to save my kids from it.

I really wish you luck with that. What I realized with my kids is you’re not only fighting them on these issues, you’re fighting their peers, and the their peers parents, doctors, teachers and countless other people and things. The best thing you can do in my opinion is set a great example and be there for them. They’ll be exposed to all kinds of garbage and surrounded by some bad folks at times, but they mostly turn out just fine. 

[KansasTiger 3,261]

5 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

I really wish you luck with that. What I realized with my kids is you’re not only fighting them on these issues, you’re fighting their peers, and the their peers parents, doctors, teachers and countless other people and things. The best thing you can do in my opinion is set a great example and be there for them. They’ll be exposed to all kinds of garbage and surrounded by some bad folks at times, but they mostly turn out just fine. 

I have faith and hope. But I'm also trying to tip the scales in my favor as much as I can. They're in catholic schools, I have a 4.5 acre plot of land bought in a small, rural, almost 100% Catholic conservative town where im going to try and build a house soon, and I have no intentions of giving them unfettered internet access or a internet capable phone until after sophomore year at the soonest. It's not foolproof by a long shot, and they'll still be exposed, but I'm hoping it helps in the long run. I long recognized society was going to go a different way than I was, so I'm going to seek the community that will resist that.

[SaltyTiger 8,579]

3 hours ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

Pediatricians recommend starting sex education at age 5 now (link below). Probably

Tried that with my grandkids Civ1….they were more interested in Paw Patrol…..you guys are amazing.

[Gowebb11 9,882]

25 minutes ago, KansasTiger said:

I have faith and hope. But I'm also trying to tip the scales in my favor as much as I can. They're in catholic schools, I have a 4.5 acre plot of land bought in a small, rural, almost 100% Catholic conservative town where im going to try and build a house soon, and I have no intentions of giving them unfettered internet access or a internet capable phone until after sophomore year at the soonest. It's not foolproof by a long shot, and they'll still be exposed, but I'm hoping it helps in the long run. I long recognized society was going to go a different way than I was, so I'm going to seek the community that will resist that.

It’s clear your family is priority 1 with you. With that foundation you should be just fine. Blessings to your family. 

[SaltyTiger 8,579]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Most - if not all - public libraries don't allow pornography.

BS, thumb through the “romance novels”. Nothing but porno in writing. Admit I learned that as a youngster. My mom always picked me and friends up at the library after baseball practice.

[AuCivilEng1 12,204]

1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said:

Tried that with my grandkids Civ1….they were more interested in Paw Patrol…..you guys are amazing.

Who is you guys? Did you see the link I posted? I didn’t f****’ng write that article. It’s a Mayo Clinic article. Nobody here ever advocated for anything. You people are so obsessed with your tribalism that you can’t just have a discussion about something. 

You want a radical progressive ideal though. I got one. The earlier you talk to your children about sex and what’s appropriate and what’s not, the sooner they are going to be able to recognize what’s inappropriate or not acceptable. Therefore being less likely to be sexually harassed or assaulted as a minor by an adult figure. Which we all know happens a ****cking lot. There are tiers of sex education. Nobody is advocating to sit them down and have them watch porn, ffs. I swear to god it’s like some of you are living in the puritan times.

Edited July 11, 2023 by AuCivilEng1

[SaltyTiger 8,579]

8 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

Who is you guys? Did you see the link I posted? I didn’t f****’ng write that article. It’s a Mayo Clinic article. Nobody here ever advocated for anything. You people are so obsessed with your tribalism that you can’t just have a discussion about something. 

You are “you guys”. I understand but you obviously searched, maybe read…and believe it. 

No offense to Mayo Clinic.

[AuCivilEng1 12,204]

3 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

You are “you guys”. I understand but you obviously searched, maybe read…and believe it. 

No offense to Mayo Clinic.

You live is such a black and white world that having a legitimate conversation about stuff is impossible. 

[SaltyTiger 8,579]

24 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

I swear to god it’s like some of you are living in the puritan times.

No we are not. Just letting 5 year olds watch Paw Patrol. Can also get through a paragraph on a message board without f plus ****s. Know a lot of pediatricians also. 

[AuCivilEng1 12,204]

Here is tons of literature that supports the radical leftist ideals. But by all means, go on believing that hiding this stuff is going to produce a healthy teenager who doesn’t act like an idiot the first time they hear the word sex. 

You realize that your idea’s are not the “right ideas” right? People can have different opinions without being silly, or evil? 



https://www.aboutkidshealth.ca/Article?contentid=716&language=English#:~:text=School-age children%3A Five to,of sexuality is in relationships.

https://www.todaysparent.com/family/parenting/age-by-age-guide-to-talking-to-kids-about-sex/

https://www.ahaparenting.com/read/talking-to-kids-about-sex-an-age-by-age-guide

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Talking-to-Your-Young-Child-About-Sex.aspx

[KansasTiger 3,261]

8 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

You live is such a black and white world that having a legitimate conversation about stuff is impossible. 

Actually I kind of agree. But I think the world has gotten too gray. I wish it was a bit more black and white. But I think thats always going to be the view of someone who thinks we are trending the wrong way vs someone who might see it opposite.

I always hope to have good conversation with many on here. And things can get heated, but its a good core of people with alot of different viewpoints. 

[AuCivilEng1 12,204]

4 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

No we are not. Just letting 5 year olds watch Paw Patrol. Can also get through a paragraph on a message board without f plus ****s. Know a lot of pediatricians also. 

Like I’ve said numerous times, I also have children who watch Paw Patrol, Bluey, PJ Masks, etc. Perfectly normal children who know that their mom and dad love them. My son at 3 also knows what his private areas are and what his sisters are and that it’s not acceptable at all for anyone to touch them. That’s sex education. So radical!! I should be imprisoned!

[AuCivilEng1 12,204]

1 minute ago, KansasTiger said:

Actually I kind of agree. But I think the world has gotten too gray. I wish it was a bit more black and white. But I think thats always going to be the view of someone who thinks we are trending the wrong way vs someone who might see it opposite.

I always hope to have good conversation with many on here. And things can get heated, but its a good core of people with alot of different viewpoints. 

I deeply enjoy discussing ideas with people. Mostly to just study how people think and try to figure out their how their mind works. But this isn’t even worth it anymore. People are too quick to throw out words like “groomer”, “pedo”, “evil”. You said yourself that someone who teaches their children sex education at 5 is borderline abusing their child. 

It’s a sad reality that the days of adult discussions about things that are so fundamentally important to the future of society are gone and have resorted to this. 

[SaltyTiger 8,579]

14 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

Here is tons of literature that supports the radical leftist ideals. But by all means, go on believing that hiding this stuff is going to produce a healthy teenager who doesn’t act like an idiot the first time they hear the word sex. 

You realize that your idea’s are not the “right ideas” right? People can have different opinions without being silly, or evil? 



https://www.aboutkidshealth.ca/Article?contentid=716&language=English#:~:text=School-age children%3A Five to,of sexuality is in relationships.

https://www.todaysparent.com/family/parenting/age-by-age-guide-to-talking-to-kids-about-sex/

https://www.ahaparenting.com/read/talking-to-kids-about-sex-an-age-by-age-guide

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Talking-to-Your-Young-Child-About-Sex.aspx

Never said “hide” it. Just not promoting it. Most of know the pace. No need to read Mayo Clinic articles….

 

[KansasTiger 3,261]

20 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

I deeply enjoy discussing ideas with people. Mostly to just study how people think and try to figure out their how their mind works. But this isn’t even worth it anymore. People are too quick to throw out words like “groomer”, “pedo”, “evil”. You said yourself that someone who teaches their children sex education at 5 is borderline abusing their child. 

It’s a sad reality that the days of adult discussions about things that are so fundamentally important to the future of society are gone and have resorted to this. 

I think some of it was due to phrasing and lack of communication. Like there are some basic things you can teach young children that I wouldn't consider sex ed that you might. Telling my five year olds people shouldnt touch them in certain places seems like common sense, and not something I outright considered sex ed persay. I didn't mean to accuse you of supporting borderline child abuse. Wasn't my intention.

Edited July 11, 2023 by KansasTiger

[AuCivilEng1 12,204]

8 minutes ago, KansasTiger said:

I think some of it was due to phrasing and lack of communication. Like there are some basic things you can teach young children that I wouldn't consider sex ed that you might. Telling my five year olds people shouldnt touch them in certain places seems like common sense, and not something I outright considered sex ed persay. I didn't mean to accuse you of supporting borderline child abuse. Wasn't my intention.

Going back the the original discussion, the whole point of the article I posted originally was to point out that if you teach them this is your private area and people don’t touch it at 3, then at 5 to 7 maybe you’d teach them how babies are made. Then at 9, maybe they learn that people “make babies” for reasons other than procreation. Then by 12 they probably are going to know what oral sex is, whether you teach it to them or not. That’s middle school. And if they happen to see oral sex mentioned in a book in middle school, it won’t be confusing/scaring. Therefor, banning books in middle/high school libraries seems ridiculous. 

That’s a completely valid timeline for sex ed that I would hope someone wouldn’t be considered “abusive” for following. 

See, the world maybe isn’t so black and white. 

Edited July 11, 2023 by AuCivilEng1

[KansasTiger 3,261]

2 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

Going back the the original discussion, the whole point of the article I posted originally was to point out that if you teach them this is your private area and people don’t touch it at 3, then at 5 to 7 maybe you’d teach them how babies are made. Then at 9, maybe they learn that people “make babies” for reasons other than procreation. Then by 12 they probably are going to know what oral sex is, whether you teach it to them or not. That’s middle school. And if they happen to see oral sex mentioned in a book in middle school, it won’t be confusing/scaring. Therefor, banning books in middle/high school libraries seems ridiculous. 

That’s a completely valid timeline for sex ed that I would hope someone wouldn’t be considered “abusive” for following. 

See, the world maybe isn’t so black and white. 

I dont agree with the timeline. Youre not some monster for having a different one than what I might adhere to. As long as that isn't a timeline that's pushed on my child in some public setting like school, I don't think it's a major issue.

[AU9377 6,037]

5 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

That was a mistake the publisher admitted to and apologized for their error. The error is still used by ignorant liberal groups to assign blame to the state who obviously did not use the textbook. This isn't complicated and quite simple for those with a brain. And we worry about QAnon. Sigh.

I believe I stated all of that in my comment.  It also isn't complicated to understand the world of consequences that result from misguided culture war politics that people like Ron DeSantis live by. 

I watched a few minutes of Hannity and as much as I could stand of Laura Ingraham tonight just to see what they were telling their viewers to be concerned about.  Honestly, it is as bad as ever.  They insult the intelligence of their viewers every night they do their right wing entertainment nonsense.  Their sole purpose is to incite division and anger by establishing a false narrative.  Unfortunately, it works with too many.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

20 hours ago, KansasTiger said:

Hot garbage. Misinformation exists. The regulation of it, especially before all the facts are known, is nothing but controlling the narrative. COVID lab leak was once misinformation and is now credible. Hunter biden's laptop was disinformation and is now proven. COVID lockdowns being ineffective and doing more damage than good was misinformation and is now widely accepted. I could keep going. Would we even know about ANY of these things if we didn't have people calling it out? 

We should all be against the govt having the ability to censor its people and control free speech, no matter what. It blows my mind people are actually rooting for the govt here, just because it might silence your critics? Any power you give them can and will eventually be used against you.

words count and they always have. racist violence has gone up since trump first started running and here we are. hate speech is not free  speech and it it gets people hurt and or killed. this is fact so i will not agree with what you said. dog whistles and misimformation {gas Lighting} get people killed all the time. remember iraq? we lost what almost sixty thousand and it was over a damn lie.go look at the civilian deaths for that was as well and tell me we should allow anything to be said anywhere. do not tell me or lecture me about freedom. i served my country with honor. you cannot gewt careless with words and claim they mean something. and you have a lot of nerve with whacko's like greene who have absolutely no business in politics period. it is a changing world. you guys claim freedom of speech but your side has started the anti woke bull**** which means you guys are lying about this countries past. so which is it kansas? if the truth means so much why is your party destroying it? i tried to slide by a few days to get a break and you guys one as well but it is not working out very well so it is on you. and your party is now using misinformation on a scale not seen in forever to pass on line and hurt people with stupid stuff.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

18 hours ago, aubaseball said:

Of course it is in your eyes.   You’re the one for censorship of the people that are against how you think.   The simplicity of it is what makes it that much more believable.   

no we keep waiting for you guys to elect someone who is not a bald faced liar who tried to steal the country from other hard working americans. the point is you guys lie so much and it causes so much confusion you are using it as a weaopon which means you guys cannot win in a fair fight. you guys all cry about trump but YOU guys BOUGHT himand he is fair game. i hope he rots and dies in prison with the harm he has done this country.

[aubaseball 2,829]

5 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

no we keep waiting for you guys to elect someone who is not a bald faced liar who tried to steal the country from other hard working americans. the point is you guys lie so much and it causes so much confusion you are using it as a weaopon which means you guys cannot win in a fair fight. you guys all cry about trump but YOU guys BOUGHT himand he is fair game. i hope he rots and dies in prison with the harm he has done this country.

So…America went from one liar to a known liar.   To someone that lies about his history daily.   Gotcha.    
It’s funny, I’ve posed this question to others and have never really gotten an answer.   Do you believe that Governor’s changing election laws without going through the proper process was a form of election fraud?   
 

And by the way, everyone on this board knows your position on Trump.   You don’t have to keep bringing him up.  It makes you appear as deranged as he is.   There are only so many posters on this forum that even read the political section.   

[aubiefifty 18,259]

5 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

So…America went from one liar to a known liar.   To someone that lies about his history daily.   Gotcha.    
It’s funny, I’ve posed this question to others and have never really gotten an answer.   Do you believe that Governor’s changing election laws without going through the proper process was a form of election fraud?   
 

And by the way, everyone on this board knows your position on Trump.   You don’t have to keep bringing him up.  It makes you appear as deranged as he is.   There are only so many posters on this forum that even read the political section.   

you do not get the right to tell me what i can or cannot say. i have made this clear. quit crying about trump and man up you bought his bull sink,line, and hooker. trump is running and is fair game.YOU are not supposed to like it. you got really sh*tty taking up for trump in the past. you are one i do remember well. so you can iggie me or you can make your peace with it. i will rub your face in it and maybe you guys might learn something. you guys were thrilled when he was touting his hit em again and lock them up stuff. this is the part that never goes away in a decent america. he mad fun of a handicapped reporter and you guys lied about that. so i will continue to do me and you do you. but you never get to tell me what i can and cannot discuss on here.