Trolling Tommy

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[aubaseball 2,898]

Without seeing what else was in these stuffed bills, how can you judge someone on whether it was good or bad to not vote for it?   Just curious 

[TexasTiger 14,524]

31 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

Without seeing what else was in these stuffed bills, how can you judge someone on whether it was good or bad to not vote for it?   Just curious 

It’s a shame, cuz Tommy’s a deep thinker and voracious reader.

[aubaseball 2,898]

Never said he was special or any of them for that matter.   Was just curious but your side proves again that you just attack character or call everyone racist.  

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[TexasTiger 14,524]

53 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

Never said he was special or any of them for that matter.   Was just curious but your side proves again that you just attack character or call everyone racist.  

That’s a strange take on this post.

[aubaseball 2,898]

11 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

That’s a strange take on this post.

How so? You called him a deep thinker voracious reader of which I’m certain you were making a joke of (therefore attacking his character).  I’m not trying to take up for Tuberville because I don’t care about the guy.  If this is all about fun and joking around, why don’t you and the rest of liberal minds, joke and post about the democrats?   I only see thread after thread going after republicans 

[KansasTiger 3,280]

41 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

How so? You called him a deep thinker voracious reader of which I’m certain you were making a joke of (therefore attacking his character).  I’m not trying to take up for Tuberville because I don’t care about the guy.  If this is all about fun and joking around, why don’t you and the rest of liberal minds, joke and post about the democrats?   I only see thread after thread going after republicans 

In Texas' slight defense, I think that was more an attack on his ability and IQ than character (does that make it better?...dunno). Not that I haven't seen plenty of character attacks on this forum of TT as well. Deserved or not. Just an observation. Living in Kansas, I don't really keep up with the dude.

[KansasTiger 3,280]

1 hour ago, RunInRed said:

Hard for me tell if he's awake or asleep in this picture. So that part's somewhat accurate 🤣

[AUApostle 7,844]

1 minute ago, KansasTiger said:

Hard for me tell if he's awake or asleep in this picture. So that part's somewhat accurate 🤣

He just got his “10% for the big guy.”

[AU9377 6,109]

3 hours ago, aubaseball said:

Never said he was special or any of them for that matter.   Was just curious but your side proves again that you just attack character or call everyone racist.  

The tough part is finding leaders in the Republican party that actually are men and women with the character and integrity that it takes to lead.  There are men and women with high character in the Republican party, but when they speak any truth that places Trump in a negative light, you shun them.  John McCain, Liz Cheney, George W. Bush, his late mother, and even Bill Barr are all mocked for having the nerve to speak the truth.  As long as the Republican party is a cult of personality, rather than a party of people that want to actually place country before self, there is a problem.

[KansasTiger 3,280]

15 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

The tough part is finding leaders in the Republican party that actually are men and women with the character and integrity that it takes to lead.  There are men and women with high character in the Republican party, but when they speak any truth that places Trump in a negative light, you shun them.  John McCain, Liz Cheney, George W. Bush, his late mother, and even Bill Barr are all mocked for having the nerve to speak the truth.  As long as the Republican party is a cult of personality, rather than a party of people that want to actually place country before self, there is a problem.

None of those people are selfless, and none of them placed country over themselves. And it has little to do with Trump. McCain was a war monger neocon who fed the military industrial complex over what was better for the country. Bush lied about WMDs to start a war we have been fighting in the area for two decades, and ushered in maybe the greatest stripping of personal freedoms to date, the God awful Patriot Act. These are just a few examples. Republicans need to move on from Trump, but they also need to recognize who we had leading the party before Trump were spineless RINO weasels who were not conservative in principle. Not one of them decreased govt spending, decreased govt size or power, or protected true civil liberties beyond senseless grandstanding.

DeSantis is the same. I get the feeling he's just as phony and a sellout as the rest of the Republicans.

The dems have the same problems of people with selling out, just for different reasons And to different corporations/lobbies/etc. Like how you're quick to point to one side and ignore the other. Both parties are broken, brother.

[SaltyTiger 8,664]

4 hours ago, aubaseball said:

Without seeing what else was in these stuffed bills, how can you judge someone on whether it was good or bad to not vote for it?   Just curious 

Correct. He hailed a minuscule part of a huge bill. 

[AU9377 6,109]

53 minutes ago, KansasTiger said:

None of those people are selfless, and none of them placed country over themselves. And it has little to do with Trump. McCain was a war monger neocon who fed the military industrial complex over what was better for the country. Bush lied about WMDs to start a war we have been fighting in the area for two decades, and ushered in maybe the greatest stripping of personal freedoms to date, the God awful Patriot Act. These are just a few examples. Republicans need to move on from Trump, but they also need to recognize who we had leading the party before Trump were spineless RINO weasels who were not conservative in principle. Not one of them decreased govt spending, decreased govt size or power, or protected true civil liberties beyond senseless grandstanding.

DeSantis is the same. I get the feeling he's just as phony and a sellout as the rest of the Republicans.

The dems have the same problems of people with selling out, just for different reasons And to different corporations/lobbies/etc. Like how you're quick to point to one side and ignore the other. Both parties are broken, brother.

I would also love to have a better choice.  However, the road we cannot go down is the road we were on under Trump.  Destroying every institution does not make us a better country.  Isolation does not make us a better country. Pissing off our allies instead of working with them does not make us a stronger country.

I agree that the spending has to be controlled.  That includes every sector, from military to big pharma.  However, we also have to help ensure that everyone has access to health care and that nobody is forced to choose between medicine and bankruptcy.  There is a role for government in providing basic necessities when private sector businesses can't or won't ensure access.

One phenomena that has caught fire with both the far right and far left is the need to judge people throughout history and in present day by some singular point of contention.  Social media and particularly the internet has been the fuel that sustains these mindsets.

For example, I had a conversation with a family member a few weeks ago about FDR.  His knee jerk reaction about FDR was that he was a horrible socialist president.  He was ready to tell me how. despite what the history books say, he did more to harm America than almost any other U.S. President.  That notion is so preposterous that I came close to just letting it go, but my stubbornness had to, at the very least, know where he gleamed that historical quicksand from.  He spends hours every day listening to right wing talk radio.  He has the radio on while he works. 

I explained the Great Depression and the poor quality of life most Americans had at the time.  He even admitted that FDR did some good things to prepare the country for WWII.  However, nothing I could say would dissuade him from believing that FDR was bad for this country.  When all someone feeds their brain is negative information that is also often inaccurate or misconstrued, it is nearly impossible reason with them.

Edited June 29, 2023 by AU9377

[KansasTiger 3,280]

2 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

I would also love to have a better choice.  However, the road we cannot go down is the road we were on under Trump.  Destroying every institution does not make us a better country.  Isolation does not make us a better country. Pissing off our allies instead of working with them does not make us a stronger country.

I agree that the spending has to be controlled.  That includes every sector, from military to big pharma.  However, we also have to help ensure that everyone has access to health care and that nobody is forced to choose between medicine and bankruptcy.  There is a role for government in providing basic necessities when private sector businesses can't or won't ensure access.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but my post wasn't advocating for trump, and I haven't seen any conservatives on this forum advocate for him besides over Biden, which I can understand. 

RFK on the other hand. All I'll say is don't let the broken system form your opinion for you. Go watch his recent foreign policy speech Here. He sounds like an old school classical liberal. When you have someone like me on the verge of voting Democrat, he might be doing something right.

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3 hours ago, aubaseball said:

How so? You called him a deep thinker voracious reader of which I’m certain you were making a joke of (therefore attacking his character).  I’m not trying to take up for Tuberville because I don’t care about the guy.  If this is all about fun and joking around, why don’t you and the rest of liberal minds, joke and post about the democrats?   I only see thread after thread going after republicans 

You chastise me for calling Tommy a voracious reader, but don’t mind folks calling Biden the head of a “crime family.” Seems logical & fair.

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I have a lot of fond memories of watching Tuberviille coached teams and players. It's so disappointing that he turned out to be a Donald Trump jock sniffer. I'm glad Nick Saban put this guy out of his football misery.

[Mikey 16,781]

10 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Correct. He hailed a minuscule part of a huge bill. 

Exactly! That boondoggle needed to be voted against and it's a shame that it wasn't defeated. Tuberville was correct to vote against it. Now, there were so many different things and so much money in the bill that even Bungling Biden couldn't help but have a few positive things in it.

Criticizing Tuberville for voting against the huge bill and then praising a small part of it is disingenuous at best.

[KansasTiger 3,280]

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Exactly! That boondoggle needed to be voted against and it's a shame that it wasn't defeated. Tuberville was correct to vote against it. Now, there were so many different things and so much money in the bill that even Bungling Biden couldn't help but have a few positive things in it.

Criticizing Tuberville for voting against the huge bill and then praising a small part of it is disingenuous at best.

It was a chance to throw dirt at someone they hate. A troll. They all know how bills work in Washington. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by KansasTiger

[aubaseball 2,898]

13 hours ago, AU9377 said:

I would also love to have a better choice.  However, the road we cannot go down is the road we were on under Trump.  Destroying every institution does not make us a better country.  Isolation does not make us a better country. Pissing off our allies instead of working with them does not make us a stronger country.

I agree that the spending has to be controlled.  That includes every sector, from military to big pharma.  However, we also have to help ensure that everyone has access to health care and that nobody is forced to choose between medicine and bankruptcy.  There is a role for government in providing basic necessities when private sector businesses can't or won't ensure access.

One phenomena that has caught fire with both the far right and far left is the need to judge people throughout history and in present day by some singular point of contention.  Social media and particularly the internet has been the fuel that sustains these mindsets.

For example, I had a conversation with a family member a few weeks ago about FDR.  His knee jerk reaction about FDR was that he was a horrible socialist president.  He was ready to tell me how. despite what the history books say, he did more to harm America than almost any other U.S. President.  That notion is so preposterous that I came close to just letting it go, but my stubbornness had to, at the very least, know where he gleamed that historical quicksand from.  He spends hours every day listening to right wing talk radio.  He has the radio on while he works. 

I explained the Great Depression and the poor quality of life most Americans had at the time.  He even admitted that FDR did some good things to prepare the country for WWII.  However, nothing I could say would dissuade him from believing that FDR was bad for this country.  When all someone feeds their brain is negative information that is also often inaccurate or misconstrued, it is nearly impossible reason with them.

You guys on the left on this board love to throw everyone that is right leaning onto the Trump bus.   
Almost everything you pointed out in the first paragraph did not happen, except that he may have ruffled some foreign leaders feathers.   What you and the rest fail to acknowledge is that Trump was a blowhard.   He talked a lot of sh$t but really and truly was just blowing smoke.    
Did America become isolated when he was in office?   No.   Not even close.   Trump was actually the first person ever to stand up to NATO and say, how about you other guys pay your fair share.   When has anyone ever done that?  Never.   
what you call pissing off, some look at and say, it’s about time someone started looking at what the USA provides for the world and tells other countries to start towing the line.   
The guy couldn’t keep his mouth shut and most of you here couldn’t stand it, but it’s funny that you keep saying all the bad things he did while president.    And before you respond, I’m not talking about Jan 6th.   That’s another issue and as far as I’m concerned happened after he lost the election.   
 

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16 hours ago, aubaseball said:

How so? You called him a deep thinker voracious reader of which I’m certain you were making a joke of (therefore attacking his character).  I’m not trying to take up for Tuberville because I don’t care about the guy.  If this is all about fun and joking around, why don’t you and the rest of liberal minds, joke and post about the democrats?   I only see thread after thread going after republicans 

Victim

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3 hours ago, KansasTiger said:

It was a chance to throw dirt at someone they hate. A troll. They all know how bills work in Washington. 

I was glad that Tuberville got the Republican nomination.  I simply did not expect that he would be so weak minded that he would need to cling to everything Trump to sustain himself.  Comparing him to Senator Shelby, who has now retired, is a great way to see what has happened to the Republican party.  Shelby made votes that I didn't agree with, but he always maintained the respect of his fellow lawmakers and constituents.  He worked with everyone and never bowed to any one personality.

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19 hours ago, aubaseball said:

Without seeing what else was in these stuffed bills, how can you judge someone on whether it was good or bad to not vote for it?   Just curious 

I am pretty sure it's a public document.  Perhaps you should contact your representative.

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18 hours ago, aubaseball said:

Never said he was special or any of them for that matter.   Was just curious but your side proves again that you just attack character or call everyone racist.  

You and I both know that Tuberville voted against it simply because it was Biden's legislation.

Again, why don't you contact Tubby and ask him exactly why he opposed it? 

You can share his response with the forum.

[TexasTiger 14,524]

16 hours ago, KansasTiger said:

Hard for me tell if he's awake or asleep in this picture. So that part's somewhat accurate 🤣

They key is that YOU don’t sleep on Dark Brandon.