aubiefifty 18,444 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Opinion: As America celebrates Juneteenth, Ron DeSantis and Mike Pence want to honor a Confederate general Dean Obeidallah 5–6 minutes On Monday, our nation will celebrate Juneteenth, which commemorates when America’s last enslaved people learned of their freedom on June 19, 1865, in Galveston, Texas, from Union troops, more than two years after President Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Dean Obeidallah - CNN In 2021, President Joe Biden signed legislation that designated Juneteenth a federal holiday, declaring that “all Americans can feel the power of this day and learn from our history — and celebrate progress and grapple with the distance we’ve come (and) the distance we have to travel.” - ADVERTISEMENT - Despite the president’s hope that Americans can “celebrate progress,” two 2024 GOP presidential candidates, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and former Vice President Mike Pence, are attempting to take our nation backward by vowing to rename a military base in North Carolina in honor of Braxton Bragg, a slave-owning, former Confederate general. Fort Bragg became Fort Liberty earlier this month as part of a push to remove the names of Confederate leaders from military bases in the wake of protests over the police killing of George Floyd. Vowing to revert back to the name of Fort Bragg, DeSantis declared June 9 at North Carolina’s GOP state convention: “It’s an iconic name and iconic base, and we’re not gonna let political correctness run amok in North Carolina.” At the same Republican gathering, Pence echoed that pledge a day later, stating, “We will end the political correctness in the hallways of the Pentagon, and North Carolina will once again be home to Fort Bragg.” The promise of these two Republicans to rename a base after the slave-owning, traitorous Bragg is despicable. While Bragg graduated from West Point and served in the US military at one point, by the time of the Civil War, he owned a Louisiana sugar plantation and 105 enslaved people. Confederate President Jefferson Davis asked Bragg to leave his plantation and serve as a general. Bragg led armed forces that waged war on US troops. At the 1863 Battle of Chickamauga alone — where Bragg was uncharacteristically successful in defeating Union forces — patriotic US soldiers suffered 16,000 casualties. As Bruce Levine, an emeritus history professor at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign and author of several books on the Civil War, explained to Politifact.com, “Bragg enthusiastically, if poorly, helped lead an armed insurrection against the United States government that tried to break up the Union and preserve slavery.” DeSantis and Pence are just following the lead of former President Donald Trump who, when in office, repeatedly defended naming the base after Bragg as well as defending other bases named to honor former Confederate officers. Trump even threatened to veto the bipartisan defense funding bill Congress passed in 2020 that included renaming military bases that bore the name of Confederate generals, tweeting at the time: “I will Veto the Defense Authorization Bill … which will lead to the renaming (plus other bad things!) of Fort Bragg, Fort Robert E. Lee, and many other Military Bases. …” Trump eventually did veto the sweeping defense bill, but Congress overrode that veto in early 2021, eventually paving the way to start renaming nine military bases that honored Confederate officers. Around the time of Trump’s veto threat, in June 2020, a Quinnipiac University poll found that 86% of Republicans opposed renaming the bases, while 81% of Democrats favored renaming them. That may explain why DeSantis and Pence — who are both trailing Trump by large numbers for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination — would raise an issue that’s not likely on the radar of non-Republicans. What we are seeing today from some GOP leaders was perfectly summed up when Biden gave the commencement address at Howard University in May. “We know that American history has not always been a fairy tale,” the president told the graduating class at one of our nation’s most prestigious historically Black colleges. “From the start, it’s been a constant push and pull for more than 240 years between the best of us, the American ideal that we’re all created equal — and the worst of us, the harsh reality that racism has long torn us apart.” He added, “It’s a battle that’s never really over.” Indeed, these Republicans’ attempt to revisit the removal of Confederate names from military bases proves this battle pitting the best of America versus the worst shows no signs of letting up. For more CNN news and newsletters create an account at CNN.com 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 18,444 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 bad look repukes............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,946 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 You got to wonder just how these guys even got the bases named for them... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,523 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 9 hours ago, DKW 86 said: You got to wonder just how these guys even got the bases named for them... Losers’ losers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 12,539 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 I wish that as a legislative decision, this country would decide to completely cut off the confederacy and everyone who was in it from being recognized as something worth memorizing. It shouldn’t even be an option anymore to name anything that belongs to the federal government after a traitor to the US 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 8,664 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 11 hours ago, aubiefifty said: bad look repukes............ Not really. Just fighting your “political correctness”, etc. probably a popular decision among their supporters. You guys are becoming a day to day living joke. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubaseball 2,898 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 6 hours ago, AuCivilEng1 said: I wish that as a legislative decision, this country would decide to completely cut off the confederacy and everyone who was in it from being recognized as something worth memorizing. It shouldn’t even be an option anymore to name anything that belongs to the federal government after a traitor to the US Should be flying the Union Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 18,444 Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 10 hours ago, SaltyTiger said: Not really. Just fighting your “political correctness”, etc. probably a popular decision among their supporters. You guys are becoming a day to day living joke. it is better than supporting that idiot you guys have supported for about six years now is it? it is literally the difference between light and dark. lock him up. they need to lock your butt up to. see what i did? that would have been trumps answer to you or worse.................. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 12,539 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 hours ago, aubaseball said: Should be flying the Union Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 12,539 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 11 hours ago, SaltyTiger said: Not really. Just fighting your “political correctness”, etc. probably a popular decision among their supporters. You guys are becoming a day to day living joke. At the expense of what? And what exactly is the end game here? What's the goal? Or are you just fighting it just to fight it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 8,664 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 hours ago, AuCivilEng1 said: At the expense of what? And what exactly is the end game here? What's the goal? Or are you just fighting it just to fight it. I can only suppose they think their base thinks changing the name was silly and a display of people being offended. Desantis and Pence just pandering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 12,539 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: I can only suppose they think their base thinks changing the name was silly and a display of people being offended. Desantis and Pence just pandering. What I'm trying to figure out is what is the endgame for the people that they are pandering to. Let's say Ron DeSantis comes in and destroys anything he see's as "woke" or politically correct.....what does that look like and how far would he have to go before the base is collectively happy with the country? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,468 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 You have to appeal to your base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 8,664 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, AuCivilEng1 said: What I'm trying to figure out is what is the endgame for the people that they are pandering to. Let's say Ron DeSantis comes in and destroys anything he see's as "woke" or politically correct.....what does that look like and how far would he have to go before the base is collectively happy with the country? Not sure they are not happy now. Most Desantis supporters seem to happy. Just do not care for “wokeness” being thrown at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 12,539 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: “wokeness” being thrown at them. What does this mean to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,310 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 17 hours ago, SaltyTiger said: Not really. Just fighting your “political correctness”, etc. probably a popular decision among their supporters. You guys are becoming a day to day living joke. Yeah Salty, just like Memorial day is "politically correct". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,310 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 hours ago, SaltyTiger said: I can only suppose they think their base thinks changing the name was silly and a display of people being offended. Desantis and Pence just pandering. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,310 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said: Not sure they are not happy now. Most Desantis supporters seem to happy. Just do not care for “wokeness” being thrown at them. Looks to me they don't care about it being practiced by anyone else. No one is forcing empathy and compassion on anyone, as if that were even possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 8,664 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 45 minutes ago, homersapien said: What do you think? Being Honest haven’t really thought about it. Just like the statues . If they are offensive to some people tear them down. Doesn’t change or affect much of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 18,444 Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 43 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: Being Honest haven’t really thought about it. Just like the statues . If they are offensive to some people tear them down. Doesn’t change or affect much of anything. i am not big on the war. i was proud of the way our kids fought. they gave as good as they got. and they seldom had enough food and many soldiers had no shoes. what those guys went though on both sides is heart breaking.one battle troops were fighting in thick woods and caught the woods on fire and a lot of soldiers could not outrun the flames. i do wish they had thought about a museum of some kind because it is part of our history. have stuff from both sides. we should never forget the horrors of the civil war. and it should have nothing but truths............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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