Hey IAM..........should we abolish churches now?

[aubiefifty 18,259]

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/illinois-catholic-church-child-abuse-rcna86289?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=user%2Fmsnbc

[aubiefifty 18,259]

and check this out...................

 

republican Catholic Chris Christie blocks child bride ban for religious reasons: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-jersey-chris-christie-child-marriage-ban-fails-religious-custom-a7735616.html

Louisiana lawmakers reject bill to set a minimum marriage age https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356

A get out of jail free card’: GOP bill would eliminate age requirements for marriages in Tennessee https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/a-get-out-of-jail-free-card-gop-bill-would-eliminate-age-requirements-for-marriages-in-tennessee/

Republican Controlled Idaho Congress Rejects Bill to End Child Marriage for Those Under the Age of 16 https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919

Anti-Child Bride Bill Stalls in Kentucky, Where Girls Aged 13 Can Marry https://www.newsweek.com/conservatives-opposition-stalls-anti-child-bride-bill-kentucky-where-girls-829631

Wyoming Limiting Child Marriage Sparks Republican Outrage https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501

And on and on. About 43 states have legal child marriage, with 33 having no lower age limit. Google it

Trump labor secretary who cut Epstein deal plans to slash funds for sex trafficking victims https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/09/labor-secretary-alexander-acosta-sex-trafficking-budget-cut

Trump's Oklahoma State Senator Ralph Shortey is set to plead guilty to child sex trafficking https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-s-oklahoma-campaign-chair-plead-guilt-child-sex-trafficking-n822461

Ex-Trump campaign official charged with human trafficking- Tim Nolan https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trafficking-lawsuit/ex-trump-campaign-official-charged-with-human-trafficking-idUSKBN17Y299

GOP operative indicted on child sex trafficking charges https://apnews.com/article/michael-pence-d8463834b6da12eccf3691b7461f3565

Trump Commerce official was arrested in November on child pornography charges https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/05/trump-commerce-official-arrested-473906

and on and on https://twitter.com/Cajsa/status/1045329000334155778?s=19

 

wowzer.....................

Missouri, Illinois, 31 other states exempt clergy from reporting abuse https://spectrumlocalnews.com/mo/st-louis/news/2022/09/28/33-states-exempt-clergy-from-reporting-abuse

Churches defend clergy loophole in child sex abuse reporting https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3

"No one likes to think about the possibility of a situation involving improper behavior, including sexual misconduct against an individual of any age. However, it is hard to escape the reality that these types of lawsuits are becoming more prevalent and more public..." https://www.ministryinsured.com/church-insurance/liability/abuse-molestation/

Go check out r/PastorArrested:

"They allowed Bovee to work with children in a co-ed church program for youths called Pathfinder because he repented and was re-baptised, according to the lawsuit filed in Oregon state court against the church’s national body.Then, in 1975, he was charged with sexually abusing a 12-year-old boy, but continued to lead the local Pathfinders group until he denounced his religious beliefs in 1979, the suit stated..." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

I'm not even going to bother to link the 700 Southern Baptist preachers, or the 1,000s of catholic priests, or the videos of the right wing media faves like Walsh and Fuentes expounding upon the virtues of young teens as breeding material or to the multitude of articles featuring folks like Alan Dershowitz arguing for the age of consent to be lowered to 13. It's all there. Just Google it. But I will say this, the call is coming from inside the house and they are very good at projection.

And for the conspiracy nuts who will scream "BuT sOrOs!" go rewatch the Alex Jones Bohemian Grove doc. You'll notice that the Senator he ambushes to question about being there was a republican, just like Harlan Crow and Clarence Thomas who also have been.

 

 

[I_M4_AU 8,943]

That would fall in line with your Marxist views.  Go ahead, I will still be a believer.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

19 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

That would fall in line with your Marxist views.  Go ahead, I will still be a believer.

you miss the point. i will stand up for your rights just like i will a trans. they are not "it's" or "beasts" they are human beings. it works both ways. i just wanted to point out more kids are in danger of getting messed with in church than from any trans. marxist by the way?how in the helldid you comeup with that? i just want things to be fair. your side has to find something almost daily to lose your s*** about.people would not be near as vocal if you would just leave them alone. you guys just always want to hate something and it is a bad look. but no iam if you enjoy church i hope you get to go as much as you want to.by the way i served my country in a time of war so the commie thing was not appropriate. especially since you did not from what you have said on here. but i expect that from you. and i do not even mean it mean............

[arein0 1,105]

2 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

your side has to find something almost daily to lose your s*** about.

They are just snowflakes ❄️ 

[aubiefifty 18,259]

6 minutes ago, arein0 said:

They are just snowflakes ❄️ 

he has been as mad as a wet hen after trump let him down............grins.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

1 hour ago, aubiefifty said:

and check this out...................

 

republican Catholic Chris Christie blocks child bride ban for religious reasons: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-jersey-chris-christie-child-marriage-ban-fails-religious-custom-a7735616.html

Louisiana lawmakers reject bill to set a minimum marriage age https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356

A get out of jail free card’: GOP bill would eliminate age requirements for marriages in Tennessee https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/a-get-out-of-jail-free-card-gop-bill-would-eliminate-age-requirements-for-marriages-in-tennessee/

Republican Controlled Idaho Congress Rejects Bill to End Child Marriage for Those Under the Age of 16 https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919

Anti-Child Bride Bill Stalls in Kentucky, Where Girls Aged 13 Can Marry https://www.newsweek.com/conservatives-opposition-stalls-anti-child-bride-bill-kentucky-where-girls-829631

Wyoming Limiting Child Marriage Sparks Republican Outrage https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501

And on and on. About 43 states have legal child marriage, with 33 having no lower age limit. Google it

Trump labor secretary who cut Epstein deal plans to slash funds for sex trafficking victims https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/09/labor-secretary-alexander-acosta-sex-trafficking-budget-cut

Trump's Oklahoma State Senator Ralph Shortey is set to plead guilty to child sex trafficking https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-s-oklahoma-campaign-chair-plead-guilt-child-sex-trafficking-n822461

Ex-Trump campaign official charged with human trafficking- Tim Nolan https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trafficking-lawsuit/ex-trump-campaign-official-charged-with-human-trafficking-idUSKBN17Y299

GOP operative indicted on child sex trafficking charges https://apnews.com/article/michael-pence-d8463834b6da12eccf3691b7461f3565

Trump Commerce official was arrested in November on child pornography charges https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/05/trump-commerce-official-arrested-473906

and on and on https://twitter.com/Cajsa/status/1045329000334155778?s=19

 

wowzer.....................

Missouri, Illinois, 31 other states exempt clergy from reporting abuse https://spectrumlocalnews.com/mo/st-louis/news/2022/09/28/33-states-exempt-clergy-from-reporting-abuse

Churches defend clergy loophole in child sex abuse reporting https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3

"No one likes to think about the possibility of a situation involving improper behavior, including sexual misconduct against an individual of any age. However, it is hard to escape the reality that these types of lawsuits are becoming more prevalent and more public..." https://www.ministryinsured.com/church-insurance/liability/abuse-molestation/

Go check out r/PastorArrested:

"They allowed Bovee to work with children in a co-ed church program for youths called Pathfinder because he repented and was re-baptised, according to the lawsuit filed in Oregon state court against the church’s national body.Then, in 1975, he was charged with sexually abusing a 12-year-old boy, but continued to lead the local Pathfinders group until he denounced his religious beliefs in 1979, the suit stated..." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

I'm not even going to bother to link the 700 Southern Baptist preachers, or the 1,000s of catholic priests, or the videos of the right wing media faves like Walsh and Fuentes expounding upon the virtues of young teens as breeding material or to the multitude of articles featuring folks like Alan Dershowitz arguing for the age of consent to be lowered to 13. It's all there. Just Google it. But I will say this, the call is coming from inside the house and they are very good at projection.

And for the conspiracy nuts who will scream "BuT sOrOs!" go rewatch the Alex Jones Bohemian Grove doc. You'll notice that the Senator he ambushes to question about being there was a republican, just like Harlan Crow and Clarence Thomas who also have been.

 

 

 

Will the real "groomers" please stand up.  The hate and hypocrisy are staggering.

[I_M4_AU 8,943]

5 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

you miss the point. i will stand up for your rights just like i will a trans. they are not "it's" or "beasts" they are human beings. it works both ways. i just wanted to point out more kids are in danger of getting messed with in church than from any trans. marxist by the way?how in the helldid you comeup with that? i just want things to be fair. your side has to find something almost daily to lose your s*** about.people would not be near as vocal if you would just leave them alone. you guys just always want to hate something and it is a bad look. but no iam if you enjoy church i hope you get to go as much as you want to.by the way i served my country in a time of war so the commie thing was not appropriate. especially since you did not from what you have said on here. but i expect that from you. and i do not even mean it mean............

You have sung the praises of John Lennon’s song “Imagine”.  To refresh your memory:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky

Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too. this would be abolishing churches as you suggested.

Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions. 
I wonder if you can. this would be getting rid of the nuclear family.
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man

Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one 

 

This is loosely from the Communist Manifesto, no religion and destroying the nuclear family as they allow the ruling class to retain wealth and property (Marxist idea).  You are exhibiting signs of Marxism and you don’t even know it.

 

In reality Jordan Peterson explains the pitfalls of this thinking:

 

 

Russia killed over 50 million of their own and China, under Moa, killed about 100 million.

So, what you are saying is you post is one big *whataboutism*.

There have been evil people in Church, scouts and coaching that get into that just to have access to young children.  It is a shame and I am glad these people are being held responsible for there crimes.

The trans thing is relatively new, if you think every *professional* involved in the trans movement is above board, you are probably wrong.  Preying on minors for financial gain is really the worst there can be. Do you think the plastic surgeons are giving their work for free?  How about the pharmaceutical companies that are making these children patients for life with continuing cross sex hormone treatment to defy nature?  Any continuing surgical requirements to fix and tweak the original surgeries?

Why not wait until the child gets to be an adult if 80% out grow the gender dysphoria by then.  This isn’t life saving care, it is life altering care if it is performed on minors.

We can disagree, that’s alright.  I didn’t participate in the Vietnam war because by the time I graduated it was over.  Thank you for your service and deciding to enlist.

[DKW 86 7,910]

Quote

Russia killed over 50 million of their own and China, under Mao, killed about 100 million.

My training in the military sited Russia killing 23M and China killing 65M.

Everyone agrees that Communism is a nightmare.

Edited June 4, 2023 by DKW 86

[I_M4_AU 8,943]

6 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

My training in the military sited Russia killing 23M and China killing 65M.

Everyone agrees that Communism is a nightmare.

Then why is it creeping into our society?

[DKW 86 7,910]

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

Then why is it creeping into our society?

People in general are too dumb to remember without being re-educated. 

[aubiefifty 18,259]

14 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

You have sung the praises of John Lennon’s song “Imagine”.  To refresh your memory:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky

Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too. this would be abolishing churches as you suggested.

Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions. 
I wonder if you can. this would be getting rid of the nuclear family.
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man

Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one 

 

This is loosely from the Communist Manifesto, no religion and destroying the nuclear family as they allow the ruling class to retain wealth and property (Marxist idea).  You are exhibiting signs of Marxism and you don’t even know it.

 

In reality Jordan Peterson explains the pitfalls of this thinking:

 

 

Russia killed over 50 million of their own and China, under Moa, killed about 100 million.

So, what you are saying is you post is one big *whataboutism*.

There have been evil people in Church, scouts and coaching that get into that just to have access to young children.  It is a shame and I am glad these people are being held responsible for there crimes.

The trans thing is relatively new, if you think every *professional* involved in the trans movement is above board, you are probably wrong.  Preying on minors for financial gain is really the worst there can be. Do you think the plastic surgeons are giving their work for free?  How about the pharmaceutical companies that are making these children patients for life with continuing cross sex hormone treatment to defy nature?  Any continuing surgical requirements to fix and tweak the original surgeries?

Why not wait until the child gets to be an adult if 80% out grow the gender dysphoria by then.  This isn’t life saving care, it is life altering care if it is performed on minors.

We can disagree, that’s alright.  I didn’t participate in the Vietnam war because by the time I graduated it was over.  Thank you for your service and deciding to enlist.

you are so far off base on this.he never denies god he is talking about peace and hope and not letting religious getting out of hand. you ever hear of a religious war? he is calling out religious bull**** and not god. here is the other side of the religion nutshell...................In March 1966, Lennon remarked to a journalist from the Evening Standard that the Beatles had become "more popular than Jesus". The comment went unnoticed until, in August of the same year, the American magazine Datebook republished it, inciting protests against the Beatles. The band was threatened, their records were publicly burned, and some radio stations refused to play their songs. when you start slandering people get your facts right.    this is the main part he was spouting off against religion. you people got alarmed over a joke.good grief...............

as far as trans you keep hinting or saying it is a danger to kids but when i post proof christians have a horrible record in comparison what do you do? you deflect or fudge or ignore.

[I_M4_AU 8,943]

1 hour ago, aubiefifty said:

you are so far off base on this.he never denies god he is talking about peace and hope and not letting religious getting out of hand. you ever hear of a religious war? he is calling out religious bull**** and not god. here is the other side of the religion nutshell...................In March 1966, Lennon remarked to a journalist from the Evening Standard that the Beatles had become "more popular than Jesus". The comment went unnoticed until, in August of the same year, the American magazine Datebook republished it, inciting protests against the Beatles. The band was threatened, their records were publicly burned, and some radio stations refused to play their songs. when you start slandering people get your facts right.    this is the main part he was spouting off against religion. you people got alarmed over a joke.good grief...............

I believe this is revisionist history, fifty.  Obviously the Beatles popularity was not affected by his ill advised statement.  It did show a side of Lennon that will come out later in life.  Speaking of facts, Lennon recored “Imagine” in 1971, a year after the breakup of the band, and was heavily influenced by his wife, Yoko Ono.

John’s first post-Beatles album, John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band, had emerged in late 1970 to critical praise but only muted approval in the marketplace. 

So he isn’t calling out God?  Please explain this verse:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky

God, as a concept, created Heaven and Hell.  This part of Christian religion does not create wars, most religions have a some version of heaven (Paradise), what causes wars are over zealous men using religion as an excuse to gain power and land.  The way you abolish a religion is taking away the reason for the religion and that is what Lennon has done here.  But you keep on making excuses commie.

1 hour ago, aubiefifty said:

as far as trans you keep hinting or saying it is a danger to kids but when i post proof christians have a horrible record in comparison what do you do? you deflect or fudge or ignore.

I don’t address your comments about Christian leaders taking advantage of kids (again over zealous men using religion to gain power over these individuals), it’s because it is *whataboutism* and has no place in this argument.  If you want to address why mutilating children in the name of *gender affirming care* and that the practice is *life saving* I would like to hear it.