Alabama Governor Signs a Bill That Ban Biological Men From Competing in College

[CoffeeTiger 5,953]

15 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Again, so…..these people are trying to distance themselves from the radical TQ of the coalition.  They are fighting for their identity and the mutilation of children.  Again Wikipedia.  and .

I'd say Wikipedia, written by 3rd parties with links to their sources, is a more reliable source than you simply linking the organizations own Twitter accounts. 

 

 

[TexasTiger 14,523]

50 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

The LGB Alliance is a British advocacy group founded in the UK in 2019, in opposition to the policies of LGBT rights charity Stonewall on transgender issues.^[1] Its founders were Bev Jackson, Kate Harris, Allison Bailey, Malcolm Clark and Ann Sinnott. The organization has said that lesbians are facing "extinction" because of the "disproportionate" focus on transgender identities in schools.^[2]

The LGB Alliance describes its objective as "asserting the right of lesbians, bisexuals and gay men to define themselves as same-sex attracted", and states that such a right is threatened by "attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and the notion of gender".^[1]

It has opposed a ban on conversion therapy for trans people in the UK, gender-affirming care including puberty blockers for children reporting gender dysphoria,^{[citation needed]} and gender recognition reform.^[3]

The LGB Alliance has been described by the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights as transphobic, in a statement signed by a number of Labour MPs including current Deputy Leader Angela Rayner, and by SNP MP John Nicolson,^[4][5][6] and by articles in two scholarly journals as "trans-exclusionary".^[7][8]Hope not Hate and the Trades Union Congress have described the group as anti-trans.^[9][10] It has also been described by Labour MPs and several LGBT organisations and activists as a hate group.^{[11][12][13][14]}

The LGB Alliance was granted charitable status by the Charity Commission for England and Wales in April 2021, which was controversial with LGBT groups in the UK, fifty of whom signed an open letter condemning it.^[15] A hearing for an appeal against its charitable status started in the First-tier Tribunal in September 2022.^[16][17]

How do you define “conversion therapy” in relation to trans people?

[I_M4_AU 9,045]

3 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

..their founder was/is a MAGA, believed in the stolen election conspiracy, and spent her whole career working for right wing media. 

 

Sounds pretty far right wing to me. 

So you would call them far-right on the same level as the KKK and white supremest?  Or is there another level?  They are getting all the hate from the trans and questioning part of the coalition.  The coalition must stick together.  Sounds like a cult to me.

[TexasTiger 14,523]

15 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

I'd say Wikipedia, written by 3rd parties with links to their sources, is a more reliable source than you simply linking the organizations own Twitter accounts. 

 

 

Wikipedia is often an avenue for interest groups to slant information.

[CoffeeTiger 5,953]

4 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Wikipedia is often an avenue for interest groups to slant information.

Not disputing that. But the Wikipedia article also gives information and facts on the founder and supporters of the group that the group itself would not be open about disclosing themselves. 

[TexasTiger 14,523]

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

The LGB Alliance is a British advocacy group founded in the UK in 2019, in opposition to the policies of LGBT rights charity Stonewall on transgender issues.^[1] Its founders were Bev Jackson, Kate Harris, Allison Bailey, Malcolm Clark and Ann Sinnott. The organization has said that lesbians are facing "extinction" because of the "disproportionate" focus on transgender identities in schools.^[2]

The LGB Alliance describes its objective as "asserting the right of lesbians, bisexuals and gay men to define themselves as same-sex attracted", and states that such a right is threatened by "attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and the notion of gender".^[1]

It has opposed a ban on conversion therapy for trans people in the UK, gender-affirming care including puberty blockers for children reporting gender dysphoria,^{[citation needed]} and gender recognition reform.^[3]

The LGB Alliance has been described by the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights as transphobic, in a statement signed by a number of Labour MPs including current Deputy Leader Angela Rayner, and by SNP MP John Nicolson,^[4][5][6] and by articles in two scholarly journals as "trans-exclusionary".^[7][8]Hope not Hate and the Trades Union Congress have described the group as anti-trans.^[9][10] It has also been described by Labour MPs and several LGBT organisations and activists as a hate group.^{[11][12][13][14]}

The LGB Alliance was granted charitable status by the Charity Commission for England and Wales in April 2021, which was controversial with LGBT groups in the UK, fifty of whom signed an open letter condemning it.^[15] A hearing for an appeal against its charitable status started in the First-tier Tribunal in September 2022.^[16][17]

Among the many things left out of this entry was that the LGB Alliance was granted charitable status by the government after a full review. The government’s finding:

“35.The Commission looked at whether LGB Alliance’s purpose inevitably involves the denigration of the rights of transgender people and considered that it did not. The Commission noted that LGB Alliance asserts that it engages constructively and respectfully with representatives of the transgender community, has a number of supporters within the transgender community, invited transgender supporters to attend and speak at the meetings it has held and has spoken publicly about its commitment to equality and respect for transgender people. LGB Alliance’s website states that its values include that of respect: “We engage with others respectfully. We discuss, propose, and oppose ideas; we do not attack individuals. Disagreement does not equal hate. We do not condone, endorse, or encourage any abusive or discriminatory behaviour towards any group or individual”

36.LGB Alliance explains its position on the basis that it seeks to protect women and young people in particular. It argues, for example, that some spaces should be limited to biological women where they are potentially at risk. LGB Alliance is also concerned about the support and after care that is provided for young people who are uncertain about their gender identity and when applying for a GRC.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lgb-alliance/lgb-alliance-full-decision

I’ve followed this group closely. On the whole, with a few exceptions, the group is very reasonable and invites respectful discourse. Their concerns with Stonewall started with the organization changing the definition of gay & lesbian from same sex attracted to same gender attracted. They feel same sex attractiveness is central to who they are and that this change in how gays and lesbians are defined results in erasure of their identity. They also see Stonewall as a group founded by gay people to promote gay rights being largely co-opted by trans activists often at the expense of gay and lesbian rights. If you’ve followed the evolution of Stonewall, that’s largely true. 
 

Of note, the gender recognition reform they oppose is simplifying it to self-ID. They support the current law that has a process to legally change gender.

[TexasTiger 14,523]

1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

Wikipedia is often an avenue for interest groups to slant information.

@icanthearyouThe things you head slap are baffling. You do know how Wikipedia gets written, don’t you? Or do you think you’re citing a regular encyclopedia like Britannica?

[aubiefifty 18,443]

5 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

What I bash is the transing of the kids.  You don’t seem to understand because you don’t want to.  I don’t think it is decent human behavior to influence and/or manipulate a child into believing he or she is of the opposite sex and then alter nature by puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.  There are dire consequences to the child.  Preforming life altering surgeries on a minor is just an abomination.  I don’t blame the child, it it the influencers that are the object on my ire.  If the child is truly dysphoric, 80% of the time they will grow out of it by adulthood, then at that point they can make decisions for themselves and understand the risks involved.

You know what other people I dislike?  I dislike mass murders, murders and thieves as they don’t show any common decency.  Am I a bigot for believing that?  Do you show compassion for these people?

I have written several times that the LGB of the coalition I have no problem with, it’s the coalition that pushes Trans and Questioning to elementary age children I have an issue with.  I do have compassion for those that are now detransitioning as they have come to realize they have made a mistake and regret that they were manipulated by believing the people they trusted to raise them.

Here is a video of a girls volleyball game where a biological male injures a biological female:  enjoy.

 

 

why are you showing me more trans and sports? i already stated in this thread i did not think it was fair. here is the thing. let people raise their own children and if they break the law then get em. but a lot of these kids need help and so far you do not believe that to be true. i wrote a lengthy post of friends that had it done. i see so much hate in church. you guys have to find someone to pick on or hate. you group everyone together when some have legitimate concerns about trans and changing sexes. those white nationalist are just good ol boys tho right? your new spokesperson is all about that. and ya'll do not care because you guys want the votes badly. you smear libs all the time calling us socialists and commies and godless what ever all you guys come up with. it frustrates and hurts my friend the pastor and i can assure you he is no where even close to being a lib.

[I_M4_AU 9,045]

Yesterday you asked Tex this question:

dangerous as in how?  This is referring to biological men playing in biological women sports.

15 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

why are you showing me more trans and sports?

So, I thought I would show you how this practice could be dangerous for women.  I could have used a MMA match, but that wouldn’t have highlighted the issue of biological boys playing high school sports against biological girls.

 

15 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

you smear libs all the time calling us socialists and commies and godless what ever all you guys come up with.

Well, that is exactly what the left is, isn’t it?  Look at all the lefty’s on the biblical marriage thread bashing God.  Of course you’re Godless and you left off Marxist as this is exactly what it is.  The left wants to tear down the family structure and conservatives aren’t buying it.

The left, because of ESG (Environmental, social, and corporate governance) and CEI (Corporate Equity Index), has turned Chic Fil A into a groveling bowl of jell-0.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

15 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Yesterday you asked Tex this question:

dangerous as in how?  This is referring to biological men playing in biological women sports.

So, I thought I would show you how this practice could be dangerous for women.  I could have used a MMA match, but that wouldn’t have highlighted the issue of biological boys playing high school sports against biological girls.

 

Well, that is exactly what the left is, isn’t it?  Look at all the lefty’s on the biblical marriage thread bashing God.  Of course you’re Godless and you left off Marxist as this is exactly what it is.  The left wants to tear down the family structure and conservatives aren’t buying it.

The left, because of ESG (Environmental, social, and corporate governance) and CEI (Corporate Equity Index), has turned Chic Fil A into a groveling bowl of jell-0.

You make Christianity, a hate group.   That is not following Jesus.

[Leftfield 3,417]

21 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Well, that is exactly what the left is, isn’t it?  Look at all the lefty’s on the biblical marriage thread bashing God. 

The point of contention is not God, but religion and the definition of who/what God is.

23 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Of course you’re Godless and you left off Marxist as this is exactly what it is.  The left wants to tear down the family structure and conservatives aren’t buying it.

That you actually believe this is why it's so difficult to reason with you anymore. 

[I_M4_AU 9,045]

3 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

You make Christianity, a hate group.   That is not following Jesus.

How so, because I am concerned God’s word is being mocked by the TQ part of the coalition?  Here is the Sister’s of Perpetual Indulgence at their 2023 Easter celebration:

 

Let me know how much of the video you got through before you turned it off.  Is this the depiction of Jesus you have in your mind when you talk to him?  Do you love these Sister’s?  Maybe you could go out to LA on the 16th to tell them what you think.

When are you going to stand up for Christianity and not let this stuff slide?

[icanthearyou 4,468]

7 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

How so, because I am concerned God’s word is being mocked by the TQ part of the coalition?  Here is the Sister’s of Perpetual Indulgence at their 2023 Easter celebration:

 

Let me know how much of the video you got through before you turned it off.  Is this the depiction of Jesus you have in your mind when you talk to him?  Do you love these Sister’s?  Maybe you could go out to LA on the 16th to tell them what you think.

When are you going to stand up for Christianity and not let this stuff slide?

I believe Jesus can take care of Jesus.  My commandment is to love God, to love my neighbor as myself (ALL of the "law" is fulfilled in this one commandment).  I am not looking for a reason to be outraged, to be angry, to hate.  

Jesus loves these people.  So do I.

 

[I_M4_AU 9,045]

18 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

The point of contention is not God, but religion and the definition of who/what God is.

Where your ears burning?  So you believe in God, is that what I am hearing?  If you read the Bible your questions will be answered, but that would be religious wouldn’t it.  Sounds like a catch 22, you don’t question God, but question his word as laid out by the Bible.  You can’t trust man to accurately put down His word so you distrust the whole thing?  It doesn’t matter that what is said in the Bible is a how to live instructions that a lot of people hold dear to their heart.

There are other posters on the thread that without doubt are against anything God/Jesus has proclaimed.  As they say, there are no miracles and if you believe you are a fool.  Yes. I’m paraphrasing but it is close to what is on that thread.

38 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

That you actually believe this is why it's so difficult to reason with you anymore. 

Interesting, to the subject at hand; do you believe biological males should compete with biological females, especially in high school and college?   I would like to hear you reasoning if you think they should. 

[I_M4_AU 9,045]

21 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

I believe Jesus can take care of Jesus.  My commandment is to love God, to love my neighbor as myself (ALL of the "law" is fulfilled in this one commandment).  I am not looking for a reason to be outraged, to be angry, to hate.  

Jesus loves these people.  So do I.

 

I know your aren’t Catholic, but they are somewhat upset at this mockery.  I guess you don’t represent all Christians.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

3 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I know your aren’t Catholic, but they are somewhat upset at this mockery.  I guess you don’t represent all Christians.

I have never pretended to represent "christianity".   Too many Christians have lost Jesus in scripture, tradition, custom, politics, self interest.

Jesus and His love are the basis of real Christianity, not the bible.  Jesus is the word.  Love is the commandment.  Jesus is more important than the bible, the church, the religion.

[TexasTiger 14,523]

20 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

The LGB Alliance is a British advocacy group founded in the UK in 2019, in opposition to the policies of LGBT rights charity Stonewall on transgender issues.^[1] Its founders were Bev Jackson, Kate Harris, Allison Bailey, Malcolm Clark and Ann Sinnott. The organization has said that lesbians are facing "extinction" because of the "disproportionate" focus on transgender identities in schools.^[2]

The LGB Alliance describes its objective as "asserting the right of lesbians, bisexuals and gay men to define themselves as same-sex attracted", and states that such a right is threatened by "attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and the notion of gender".^[1]

It has opposed a ban on conversion therapy for trans people in the UK, gender-affirming care including puberty blockers for children reporting gender dysphoria,^{[citation needed]} and gender recognition reform.^[3]

The LGB Alliance has been described by the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights as transphobic, in a statement signed by a number of Labour MPs including current Deputy Leader Angela Rayner, and by SNP MP John Nicolson,^[4][5][6] and by articles in two scholarly journals as "trans-exclusionary".^[7][8]Hope not Hate and the Trades Union Congress have described the group as anti-trans.^[9][10] It has also been described by Labour MPs and several LGBT organisations and activists as a hate group.^{[11][12][13][14]}

The LGB Alliance was granted charitable status by the Charity Commission for England and Wales in April 2021, which was controversial with LGBT groups in the UK, fifty of whom signed an open letter condemning it.^[15] A hearing for an appeal against its charitable status started in the First-tier Tribunal in September 2022.^[16][17]

Why are you so homophobic?

[I_M4_AU 9,045]

2 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

not the bible.  Jesus is the word

Where do you find the word if not the Bible?  Is it when he talks to you?  In other words, in your mind?

[Leftfield 3,417]

21 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

So you believe in God, is that what I am hearing?

I'm agnostic. There may be a God, may not. I guess I'll find out when I die. Even if there is a God, I highly doubt that God is anything like what most Christians believe.

23 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

If you read the Bible your questions will be answered, but that would be religious wouldn’t it.  Sounds like a catch 22, you don’t question God, but question his word as laid out by the Bible.  You can’t trust man to accurately put down His word so you distrust the whole thing?  It doesn’t matter that what is said in the Bible is a how to live instructions that a lot of people hold dear to their heart. 

This is all blithering nonsense, even if I did happen to be religious. As was pointed out many times in the other thread, you can still cherish the Bible while thinking of it as allegorical instead of literal. 

26 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

There are other posters on the thread that without doubt are against anything God/Jesus has proclaimed.

Anything? Examples?

26 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Interesting, to the subject at hand; do you believe biological males should compete with biological females, especially in high school and college?   I would like to hear you reasoning if you think they should. 

What I was talking about (your ridiculous claim that the left is Marxist and wants to tear down the family structure) had nothing to do with the subject at hand, but since you asked...

...on the surface of it, no, I do not think biological males should compete with biological females, at least for now. Some have suggested guidelines for transitioning that would allow biological males to compete, such as a certain level of testosterone or a time period after full gender transition (I've heard three years mentioned most) that would allow the body enough time to shed muscle mass. I would potentially be open to these after further study, but from what I've read it's a bit too early to say we have a solid guideline.

For now, if they so choose I would suggest that biological males be allowed to compete in sports, such as track and field or swimming, where they do not represent a physical hazard to biological females, but their results not be official, such that they don't win awards or enter the record books. 

[icanthearyou 4,468]

9 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Where do you find the word if not the Bible?  Is it when he talks to you?  In other words, in your mind?

Yes, a personal relationship with Jesus is important.  Seek Jesus, not religion.

The bible is a tool, a reference.  Making a book god, only serves the power of men.

Edited June 2, 2023 by icanthearyou

[icanthearyou 4,468]

7 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Why are you so homophobic?

I do not understand your deep emotional connection to the topic of transgender people.  However, this is a great example of how deeply it has affected your ability to be honest.

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5 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

I do not understand your deep emotional connection to the topic of transgender people.  However, this is a great example of how deeply it has affected your ability to be honest.

Deflecting from your problems with gays & lesbians. What’s your problem with the LGB Alliance? And don’t just make stuff up again. Be honest and cite actual facts. Make a coherent argument. Employ actual logic instead of the endless vomit of emoting.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

8 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

What’s your problem with the LGB Alliance?

They are a right wing political hate group.

If you believe they are good, genuine people, fine.  They aren't worth arguing about.

[I_M4_AU 9,045]

16 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

I'm agnostic. There may be a God, may not. I guess I'll find out when I die. Even if there is a God, I highly doubt that God is anything like what most Christians believe.

Most people have to manage their expectations when it comes to God and death.  I have known very religious people that are still concerned when they die because of the uncertainty of death even though they believe.  The was a song back in my day performed by Blood Sweat and Tears that had a line in it that addressed your thoughts.  “I swear there ain’t no heaven and I pray there ain’t no hell”.  Good luck.

16 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

This is all blithering nonsense, even if I did happen to be religious. As was pointed out many times in the other thread, you can still cherish the Bible while thinking of it as allegorical instead of literal. 

The first thing you have to do in reading the Bible is have at least a reasonable expectation on believing what is written.  Of course you believe it is nonsense as you don’t want to believe.  Some have to fake it until you make it.

16 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

Anything? Examples?

Here is a quote from today.  This poster has my on ignore so I usually don’t engage, I’m sure you can guess who it is:

No, I don't get it.  As I've joked many times here, I apparently didn't get the "God gene".  I have no need to believe in magic.

18 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

What I was talking about (your ridiculous claim that the left is Marxist and wants to tear down the family structure) had nothing to do with the subject at hand, but since you asked...

I know, I thought I would get back on topic.  (Marxism does tear down the family structure, so does Trans.  They openly advocate to go against the parents if they don’t find you are a trans person).

22 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

...on the surface of it, no, I do not think biological males should compete with biological females, at least for now. Some have suggested guidelines for transitioning that would allow biological males to compete, such as a certain level of testosterone or a time period after full gender transition (I've heard three years mentioned most) that would allow the body enough time to shed muscle mass. I would potentially be open to these after further study, but from what I've read it's a bit too early to say we have a solid guideline.

For now, if they so choose I would suggest that biological males be allowed to compete in sports, such as track and field or swimming, where they do not represent a physical hazard to biological females, but their results not be official, such that they don't win awards or enter the record books. 

That’s the whole problem isn’t it.  There isn’t enough studies or examples yet to know what we are dealing with.  Why bumble along, making up rules that are not based on science in hopes they turn out to be correct at some point.  You say maybe three years after transition, so are we talking full transition or just puberty blockers and cross sex hormones?  Let’s face it, one of the only reasons a male wants to compete with females is that they would be dominate.  Why else would a person that considers himself to be female want to compete against girls?  I guess they would argue they have a right to compete in sports, but if they want to compete, compete against boys and still call yourself a girl.

[I_M4_AU 9,045]

27 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Yes, a personal relationship with Jesus is important.  Seek Jesus, not religion.

The bible is a tool, a reference.  Making a book god, only serves the power of men.

I guess you are just unencumbered by the Bible.  What a way to follow Jesus, make up your own rules and Jesus will enable you.