Take a bow France!

[aubiefifty 18,259]

[homersapien 12,244]

Ironic that Europe may rescue the United States from fascism in the 21st century.

[Mims44 2,004]

28 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Ironic that Europe may rescue the United States from fascism in the 21st century.

I agree, need to remove the 1st amendment altogether honestly.

No way the founding fathers could have had this in mind. free speech back then was the village idiot yelling in the town square, to reach more than that you would need to be rich and affluent. Now a single idiot can reach EVERYONE with their horrid words. This is not what our fore fathers had in mind.

Add on to that with twitters fast paced servers 'assault tweets' can hit tens of millions of Americans in the blink of an eye.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

4 hours ago, Mims44 said:

I agree, need to remove the 1st amendment altogether honestly.

What?  What does Twitter have to do with the first amendment?

[TexasTiger 14,310]

17 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

What?  What does Twitter have to do with the first amendment?

Right there in the Federalist Papers, just below Facebook.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

hate speech is not free speech. lies are not free speech. speaking lies that get people marginalized or killed is not free speech. words matter............

[TexasTiger 14,310]

5 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

He met with the EU guy overseeing this before his purchase. Promised he’d follow their rules.

 

[Cardin Drake 2,077]

It's sad to see Americans seriously arguing against the concept of free speech.

[arein0 1,105]

1 hour ago, Cardin Drake said:

It's sad to see Americans seriously arguing against the concept of free speech.

Go on a plane, yell bomb and see how free your speech is. 

[Mims44 2,004]

13 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

hate speech is not free speech. lies are not free speech. speaking lies that get people marginalized or killed is not free speech. words matter............

That is a very dangerous line of thinking.

18 minutes ago, arein0 said:

Go on a plane, yell bomb and see how free your speech is. 

Pretty big difference between someone posting politically charged BS on an internet forum and someone yelling 'bomb' on a plane.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

Just now, Mims44 said:

That is a very dangerous line of thinking.

Pretty big difference between someone posting politically charged BS on an internet forum and someone yelling 'bomb' on a plane.

that politically charged bs is getting people killed.

[Mims44 2,004]

3 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

that politically charged bs is getting people killed.

I really doubt free speech is going away in the USA anytime soon. But please feel free to write your congressman.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

Just now, Mims44 said:

I really doubt free speech is going away in the USA anytime soon. But please feel free to write your congressman.

terroristic speech and hate speech are not freedom of speech. you best check again mims.

[Mims44 2,004]

11 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

terroristic speech and hate speech are not freedom of speech. you best check again mims.

You are 100% wrong.

In the US you can still push nazi ideology. You are thinking of EU countries, where they don't have guaranteed rights to free speech, and a number of them have laws regarding 'hate' speech (IE: the government tells it's citizens what they are not allowed to say).

In the United States you 100% can. Heck the KKK can hold marches and give speeches from atop pedestals in the public.

[arein0 1,105]

10 minutes ago, Mims44 said:

Pretty big difference between someone posting politically charged BS on an internet forum and someone yelling 'bomb' on a plane.

You're right, there is a big difference someone posting political charged BS on social media and someone yelling a bomb on a plane. Yelling bomb on a plane will only incite fear for the people on the specific plane, whereas posting political charged BS on social media can be viewed and has potential to incite fear to everyone. A perfect example of this is that tweet shared here a while ago that was taken "from an Ohio Elementary School" depicting sexually inappropriate books for that age group. Even though the books didn't have the bindings library books have, they didn't mention the school by name (if it was real they would've mentioned the school), and it the pictures were obviously staged in their house. Yet many on here bought it hook, line, sinker and they were incited with fear it was happening to their children and rage that it was happening at all.

[Mims44 2,004]

5 minutes ago, arein0 said:

You're right, there is a big difference someone posting political charged BS on social media and someone yelling a bomb on a plane. Yelling bomb on a plane will only incite fear for the people on the specific plane, whereas posting political charged BS on social media can be viewed and has potential to incite fear to everyone. A perfect example of this is that tweet shared here a while ago that was taken "from an Ohio Elementary School" depicting sexually inappropriate books for that age group. Even though the books didn't have the bindings library books have, they didn't mention the school by name (if it was real they would've mentioned the school), and it the pictures were obviously staged in their house. Yet many on here bought it hook, line, sinker and they were incited with fear it was happening to their children and rage that it was happening at all.

So, you too are against free speech?

[aubiefifty 18,259]

14 minutes ago, Mims44 said:

You are 100% wrong.

In the US you can still push nazi ideology. You are thinking of EU countries, where they don't have guaranteed rights to free speech, and a number of them have laws regarding 'hate' speech (IE: the government tells it's citizens what they are not allowed to say).

In the United States you 100% can. Heck the KKK can hold marches and give speeches from atop pedestals in the public.

you might just be right.

[arein0 1,105]

Just now, Mims44 said:

So, you too are against free speech?

No, there is a difference between free speech and fraud speech. Free speech is saying you can't be arrested for disagreeing with the government. Fraud speech is intentionally deceiving the public with lies, ie yelling bomb on a plane, posting fraud fear-driven social media posts, phishing, etc.

[I_M4_AU 8,943]

22 minutes ago, arein0 said:

You're right, there is a big difference someone posting political charged BS on social media and someone yelling a bomb on a plane. Yelling bomb on a plane will only incite fear for the people on the specific plane, whereas posting political charged BS on social media can be viewed and has potential to incite fear to everyone.

Typically, you miss the point.  The issue of yelling bomb on a plane or yelling fire in a crowded theater is that the people are in a confined space and know they have no way to safely get out.  The *BS*, as you call it, can be thought about without threatening the person’s being and that person can avoid that type of speech or buy into it. It is their choice, whereas, the person on the plane or in the theater can not.

[homersapien 12,244]

2 hours ago, Cardin Drake said:

It's sad to see Americans seriously arguing against the concept of free speech.

Just wait.  You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until AI really kicks in.

arein0 makes a good point.  Technology has enabled a real threat to democracy that we ignore at our peril. 

This is not about restricting another's rights to express themselves, this is about deliberately "flooding the zone with s***". 

Edited May 31, 2023 by homersapien

[Mims44 2,004]

21 minutes ago, arein0 said:

No, there is a difference between free speech and fraud speech. Free speech is saying you can't be arrested for disagreeing with the government. Fraud speech is intentionally deceiving the public with lies, ie yelling bomb on a plane, posting fraud fear-driven social media posts, phishing, etc.

You were one of the people who wanted HG Wells arrested after you burned down your house in panic hearing War of the Worlds on radio huh  

[arein0 1,105]

9 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Just wait.  You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until AI really kicks in.

arein0 makes a good point.  Technology has enabled a real threat to democracy that we ignore at our peril. 

This is not about restricting another's rights to express themselves, this is about deliberately "flooding the zone with s***". 

AI kind of already has kicked in. Currently, there are a lot of bots on the social media sites, ranging from elementary to robust.

[arein0 1,105]

13 minutes ago, Mims44 said:

You were one of the people who wanted HG Wells arrested after you burned down your house in panic hearing War of the Worlds on radio huh  

The intentional part is hard to prove. Orson thought he was broadcasting a satire. Fox News on the other hand knew they were feeding misinformation and paid a hefty price for it.

[I_M4_AU 8,943]

57 minutes ago, arein0 said:

Yet many on here bought it hook, line, sinker and they were incited with fear it was happening to their children and rage that it was happening at all.

Are you saying LGBTQvnqoer books are not in schools?

This is on the GLSEN website.  If you are not familiar with Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network that has been financed, in part ($2.1 mill a year from Target), that educate teachers how to incorporate the LGBTQnvm agenda in schools.

GLSEN research shows that LGBTQ students who attend schools with curriculum that is inclusive of LGBTQ people, history, and events experience a better school climate and improved academic outcomes.

All teachers can use our Inclusive Curriculum Guide to reflect on your existing curriculum and find places to increase your LGBTQ+ representation.

Order a copy of Reading the Rainbow: LGBTQ-Inclusive Literacy in the Elementary Classroom to see how other teachers have successfully implemented LGBTQ+ issues into their curriculum.

Looking for LGBTQ+ books for your classroom? We recommend these lists:

Rainbow Library by GLSEN’s Connecticut Chapter

Lambda Literary Awards

Stonewall Book Awards

Rainbow Collection 

https://www.glsen.org/inclusive-curriculum

You will notice that the GLSEN promotes books for teachers that are into the movement to add to their classroom and, therefore, not in the school library.  This could be the reason there were no library labeling on the books in the picture.

[TexasTiger 14,310]

1 hour ago, Mims44 said:

You are 100% wrong.

In the US you can still push nazi ideology. You are thinking of EU countries, where they don't have guaranteed rights to free speech, and a number of them have laws regarding 'hate' speech (IE: the government tells it's citizens what they are not allowed to say).

In the United States you 100% can. Heck the KKK can hold marches and give speeches from atop pedestals in the public.

Hate speech is protected, speech which meets the criteria of a terroristic threat is not.