'Trump raped me,' E. Jean Carroll testifies

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'Trump raped me,' E. Jean Carroll testifies in battery, defamation case

AARON KATERSKY

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E. Jean Carroll, on the first day of testimony in her civil defamation and battery case against former President Donald Trump, told the jury that she first met Trump in 1987 -- but she struggled to pinpoint the year that she alleges he raped her in the dressing room of a Manhattan department store.

Carroll, who brought the lawsuit in November, alleges that Trump defamed her in a 2022 Truth Social post by calling her allegations "a Hoax and a lie" and saying "This woman is not my type!" when he denied her claim that Trump raped her in a Bergdorf Goodman department store dressing room.

She added a charge of battery under a recently adopted New York law that allows adult survivors of sexual abuse to sue their alleged attacker regardless of the statute of limitations.

MORE: Trump 'lunged at her,' E. Jean Carroll's lawyer tells jury in battery, defamation case

"When do you believe Donald Trump assaulted you?" her attorney, Mike Ferrara, asked Carroll during her testimony Wednesday.

"This question, the when, the when, the date, has been something I've constantly trying to pin down," Carroll said.

At first she said she thought it was 1994 or 1995, but she said her friend Lisa Birnbach published an article about Trump for New York magazine in February 1996.

"Lisa never would have gone down to Mar-a-Lago ... if she knew what Donald Trump had done to me," Carroll said, leading her to believe the alleged attack occurred in 1996.

 

PHOTO: Former advice columnist E. Jean Carroll walks into Manhattan federal court, April 25, 2023, in New York. (Seth Wenig/AP)

 

In her opening statement, Carroll attorney Shawn Crowley suggested the lack of specificity doesn't matter.

"While Ms. Carroll doesn't remember exactly when this happened, she remembers almost every detail of what happened, and her testimony alone will be enough for you to find Donald Trump liable in this case," Crowley said.

The defense told the jury those details matter.

"She can't tell you the date that she claims to have been raped. She can't tell you the month that she claims to have been raped. She can't tell you the season. She can't even tell you the year that she claims to have been raped by Donald Trump," defense attorney Joe Tacopina said during his opening statement.

"I'm here because Donald Trump raped me," Carroll said at the start of her testimony. "And when I wrote about it, he said it didn't happen. He lied and shattered my reputation. And I'm here to try and get my life back."

Trump has denied all allegations that he raped Carroll or defamed her.

MORE: E. Jean Carroll requests Trump's DNA related to sexual assault allegation

Earlier Wednesday, the jury heard from the former general manager at the Bergdorf Goodman women's store.

Cheryl Beal, who worked for the department store in the mid-1990s, testified regarding the store's layout, including the sixth floor where lingerie, couture brands and designer sportswear were sold, and where Carroll said Trump raped her in a dressing room while few, if any, people were around.

"It wasn't one of our busiest floors," Beal said.

Before the jury entered the courtroom, Carroll's attorney read aloud parts of two social media posts by Trump that she said violated the judge's orders.

On Truth Social Wednesday morning, Trump posted that Carroll's legal team is being "financed by a big political donor that they said didn't exist, only to get caught lying about that."

 

PHOTO: Joe Tacopina, lawyer of former U.S. President Donald Trump, makes opening statements during a civil trial in New York, April 25, 2023 in this courtroom sketch. (Jane Rosenberg/Reuters)

 

He also posted regarding Carroll, "She said there was a dress, using the ol' Monica Lewinsky 'stuff,' then she didn't want to produce it."

Carroll's attorney, Roberta Kaplan, said the posts violated the court's orders against "comments about lawyers and one about DNA."

"These are out-of-court comments obviously," said defense attorney Joe Tacopina, but Judge Lewis Kaplan cut him off, saying, "...where for two years he refused to give a DNA sample, and now wants it in the case."

"What you're trying to do is to get away from a statement by your client, a public statement, that on the face of it seems entirely inappropriate," Kaplan told Tacopina.

Tacopina said he would address the posts with Trump.

"I will speak to my client and ask him to refrain from any posts about this case," Tacopina said.

MORE: E. Jean Carroll requests Trump's DNA related to sexual assault allegation

Kaplan said he hoped the lawyer was successful.

"We're getting into an area in which your client may or may not be tampering with a new source of potential liability, and I think you know what I mean," Kaplan said.

It remains unclear if Trump will testify himself at any point. The judge demanded to know this week whether Trump will appear, telling the defense that it was time to "fish or cut bait."

The trial is expected to last about five days. The nine-member jury of six men and three women is weighing Carroll's defamation and battery claims and deciding potential monetary damages.

MORE: In deposition, Trump mistook rape accuser E. Jean Carroll for his 2nd wife

This week's trial is taking place as Trump seeks the White House for a third time, while facing numerous legal challenges related to the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, his handling of classified material after leaving the White House, and possible attempts to interfere in the Georgia's 2020 vote. Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis said Monday she would decide whether to file criminal charges against Trump or his allies this summer.

Carroll's lawsuit is her second against Trump related to her rape allegation.

Carroll previously sued Trump in 2019 after the then-president denied her rape claim by telling The Hill that Carroll was "totally lying," saying, "I'll say it with great respect: No. 1, she's not my type. No. 2, it never happened. It never happened, OK?" That defamation suit has been caught in a procedural back-and-forth over the question of whether Trump, as president, was acting in his official capacity as an employee of the federal government when he made those remarks.

If Trump is determined to have been acting as a government employee, the U.S. government would substitute as the defendant in that suit -- which means that case would go away, since the government cannot be sued for defamation.

'Trump raped me,' E. Jean Carroll testifies in battery, defamation case originally appeared on abcnews.go.com

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It is a shame she cannot remember the dates it happened as i bet trump gets off. i guess nola would know more about this or any other lawyers on here.

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E. Jean Carroll is a boss

E. Jean Carroll didn’t have to put herself through any of this.

Jeff Tiedrich

Apr 26

 

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E. Jean Carroll didn’t have to put herself through any of this.

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she could have, as have so many women before her, tried to forget it ever happened. she could have said nothing. she could have done her best to tamp down the memory of the day that vile pig assaulted her.

but she didn’t. she spoke out. she named his name. and she filed suit.

a brave act.

brave because speaking out cost her her job.

brave because her good name is now being dragged through the right-wing press.

brave because the gross deviant who violated her is rich and powerful. he is fueled by spite. he is obsessed with revenge. he is a destroyer of lives.

but E. Jean doesn’t care. she wants justice.

right now, in a courtroom in Manhattan, a jury is listening to the facts of the case.

let’s hope that maybe, just maybe, for once in his privileged pampered life, this despicable degenerate is held accountable for his disgusting actions.

E. Jean Carroll, thank you.

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Trump brutally raped E. Jean Carroll in 1990s and sought to ‘destroy and humiliate’ her when she spoke out, NYC jury hears at bombshell trial

Molly Crane-Newman, New York Daily News

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NEW YORK — Donald Trump slammed a woman against a wall in a Midtown department store in the mid-1990s, raped her, and then sought to “destroy and humiliate” her when she came forward, a Manhattan jury heard in opening arguments Tuesday in writer E. Jean Carroll’s bombshell civil rape case against the former president.

Standing before a jury in Manhattan Federal Court, plaintiff lawyer Shawn Crowley described Carroll’s encounter with Trump in the spring of 1996, which began as Carroll was walking out of Bergdorf Goodman in Midtown Manhattan.

“They started chatting. Trump asked Ms. Carroll to help him pick out a gift for a woman. She agreed, thinking it would make for a funny story,” Crowley said.

After making their way up to the empty sixth floor to the lingerie department on the escalators, Trump walked over to the counter, picked up a lace bodysuit, and tossed it to Carroll. Crowley said they joked about trying it on.

“Still laughing, they moved to the dressing room, with Carroll thinking, he might actually try on this lingerie,” Crowley said.

“The moment they went inside, everything changed. Suddenly, nothing was funny. Donald Trump slammed Ms. Carroll against the wall. He pressed his lips against hers. She struggled to break free but couldn’t. Trump was almost twice her size. He held down her arm, pulled down her tights and then he sexually assaulted her,” Crowley said.

“He was a big man — had easily 100 pounds on her. And he was determined,” Crowley later said, describing the sexual assault and rape in graphic detail.

Crowley said Carroll, who plans to testify at the trial, escaped after a few minutes and fled the store onto Fifth Avenue.

Crowley said Trump slandered Carroll when she came forward decades later when he was positioned as the most powerful person in the world, branding “her as a liar and a fraud.”

“Donald Trump’s response was explosive,” Crowley said, describing how “he went on the attack seeking to destroy and humiliate” her.

“The evidence will show that when President Trump called E. Jean Carroll a liar, people listened, and her hard-earned reputation as a journalist and a writer took a serious hit,” Crowley said. “He even said, ‘Ms. Carroll must be lying, because,’ — I’m quoting here — ‘she’s not my type.’ ... He was saying she was too ugly to assault.”

After Trump left the White House, Carroll’s lawyer said, Trump “saw fit to drag her name through the mud again.”

Trump lawyer Joe Tacopina blasted Carroll in his opening argument, calling her a liar and accusing her and the friends she told about the alleged assault of scheming to politically hurt Trump.

Tacopina said Carroll had the “absolute time of her life” after going public with her allegations, which he said she fabricated to sell a book.

“Him calling her a liar was the truth,” Tacopina said. “He never raped her and he never defamed her.”

The bombastic defense attorney, who’s also representing Trump in his criminal case, said Carroll and her friends “hated Donald Trump, loathed” him.

“So who would make up a story like this and who would go along with it?” Tacopina says. “People with a political bent. People with a financial motive. And people who desire to be in the spotlight. That’s who would make up a sick story like this.”

Tacopina told jurors that regardless of how much apathy they feel for the former president, those feelings should stay outside the courtroom.

“People have very strong feelings about Donald Trump, one way or the other,” Tacopina said. “It’s okay to feel however you feel. You can hate Donald Trump. It’s OK. But there’s a time and a secret place for that, for you to express those feelings. It’s called a ballot box.”

The opening statements came hours after a panel of six men and three women were selected to serve as jurors. Carroll arrived at the courthouse just before 9 a.m. Trump did not turn up for the first day of his case. Tacopina told the judge he didn’t know if Trump would be present for any of the trial.

Before openings, Manhattan Federal Court Judge Lewis Kaplan told jurors their identities would remain anonymous. He advised them not to tell each other their real names. They will be escorted to and from the courthouse by U.S. Marshals while the case plays out.

Kaplan advised the panelists not to tell their friends or family what case they’re judging if they are selected. In ruling the jury would be anonymous, the judge previously cited statements Trump has made attacking officials involved in his various legal cases and their potential to incite violence and civil unrest.

“The goal is to protect you in every way,” Kaplan said.

Judge Kaplan told the jurors they would be tasked with determining what did or didn’t happen at the department store, whether Carroll was raped or sexually assaulted, and whether and to what extent she should be compensated.

The case is one in a litany of legal challenges facing Trump as he seeks the Republican presidential nomination. He has been hit with 34 felony charges related to the infamous hush money payment to Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election. And he is being sued by the New York attorney general for rampant business fraud.

He is also being criminally investigated in Georgia for trying to subvert the 2020 election and by special counsel Jack Smith for taking classified documents from the White House.

Carroll, 79, a former advice columnist for the magazine Elle, has waited five years to make her case to a jury.

Her initial 2019 suit against Trump is still tied up with appeals. The case now on trial was filed in November as the first brought under New York’s Adult Survivors Act, historic legislation that lifted the statute of limitations to bring sexual assault claims for one year.

Carroll has said she was never intimate with a man again after the disturbing encounter with Trump, which she kept quiet about for decades out of fear he would ruin her reputation. Friends she told in the aftermath are slated to testify, as are two women who have accused Trump of sexual assault.

“One told her to call the police. The other told her not to say a word. She warned Ms. Carroll that Trump would ruin her life,” Crowley said. “Filled with fear and shame, she kept silent for decades.”

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Judge makes thinly-veiled attempt to silence Trump during rape trial, advising parties against statements that could 'incite violence'

Ashley Collman

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Former President Donald Trump and E. Jean Carroll.AP/AP

 

• E. Jean Carroll's rape and defamation lawsuit against former President Trump went to trial Tuesday.

• The judge asked both parties not to make statements that could "incite violence."

• The judge previously expressed concerns the jury could be harassed by Trump's supporters.

The judge presiding over a rape claim lawsuit against former President Donald Trump on Tuesday made a thinly-veiled attempt to stop Trump from publicly commenting on the case.

Opening statements are expected to kick off today in E. Jean Carroll's defamation and rape lawsuit against Trump. Trump has denied her allegations and was absent in the courtroom as the jury was selected on Tuesday in Manhattan federal court.

Before potential jurors were brought into the room, US District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan asked attorneys for both sides to advise their clients against "making any statements that will incite violence or civil unrest."

Kaplan said the warning was not meant to accuse either side of misconduct, but in order to "try to avoid problems down the road."

As of 2:30 p.m. ET Tuesday, Trump had not weighed in on the case on Truth Social or Facebook.

When reached for comment, Steven Cheung, commications director for the Trump campaign, issued the following statement:

"This latest fake case has no merit or facts and is just another part of the witch hunt targeted to interfere and tamper with a Presidential election. The radical, deranged Democrats will stop at nothing in order to prevent the American people from choosing President Donald Trump— the overwhelming front runner by far— as their 47th President. The lunatics will fail and President Trump will Make America Great Again!"

Kaplan had previously expressed concern over the potential that those selected to serve on the jury in the case could face "harassment or worse" from Trump's supporters. So last month he ordered that the jury would be anonymous, meaning that their names will not be released and that they will be ferried to the court every day by US Marshals from a secret location.

The jury was selected Tuesday afternoon, shortly after 1 p.m. Opening statements will begin Tuesday afternoon.

The lawsuit stems from Carroll's allegation that Trump raped her in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room in the mid-1990s. She's suing him for the alleged act itself, and for defamation — for his comments calling her story a "hoax and a lie" in a post on Truth Social in October.

She wants Trump to retract his statements and for the jury to award her unspecified compensatory and punitive damages.

While Carroll, a longtime Elle advice columnist, says she told two friends shortly after the alleged assault, she never went public with the story until June 2019, in an essay for New York magazine.

When Trump loudly denied her claim in statements to the press — saying Carroll was not his "type" and that she made up the story to sell her memoir — Carroll sued him for defamation.

In her lawsuit, Carroll says that Trump's comments have "injured the reputation on which she makes her livelihood as a writer, advice columnist, and journalist."

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Won't derail his nomination. 

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Judge warns Trump to stop posting after he derides rape trial as ‘SCAM’ and mocks E. Jean Carroll for not screaming

Dave Goldiner, New York Daily News

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A judge warned former president Donald Trump Wednesday to stop posting on social media after he derided the civil rape trial as a “SCAM” and mocked E. Jean Carroll for not screaming during the alleged attack.

Judge Lewis Kaplan called the posts “totally inappropriate” and told Trump lawyer Joe Tacopina to get the former president to keep quiet about the case.

“[Trump] may or may not be tampering with a new source of potential liability,” Kaplan said, suggesting he could hold Trump in contempt of court. “And I think you know what I mean.”

Tacopina vowed to have a chat with Trump, who is a notoriously difficult client to control.

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Trump isn’t expected to testify at the civil rape case filed by Carroll — or even show up to face his accuser.

But that hasn’t stopped him from taking to social media to mock the writer for supposedly not screaming when he allegedly attacked her in a midtown Manhattan department store changing room three decades ago.

“She didn’t scream? There are no witnesses? Nobody saw this? She never made a police complaint? SCAM!” Trump wrote on his social media site.

“Does anybody believe that I would take a then-almost 60 year old woman .. into a tiny dressing room, and …. her,” he added.

Trump derided Carroll as “Miss Bergdorf Goodman,” a reference to the Fifth Ave. department store in which she claims the attack took place.

Trump also accused Carroll of being a political operative, a charge that Kaplan had warned against raising in public.

The outburst from Trump came as testimony began in the trial in a lower Manhattan courtroom.

Trump hasn’t ruled out testifying, but legal experts believe it is highly unlikely he would subject himself to cross-examination under oath.

Trump has called Carroll a “nut job” who fabricated the rape claim to sell her book. Tacopina told jurors Tuesday that her story was wildly implausible and short of evidence.

Lawyers for Carroll and Trump delivered opening statements Tuesday in the explosive case, which took about five years to reach trial.

Along with myriad other legal woes, the civil trial stands to test Trump’s reputation for beating courtroom threats to his business and political empire.

It comes a month after he became the first former president to face criminal charges when he was indicted in an unrelated criminal case surrounding payments made to bury accounts of alleged extramarital sex with porn star Stormy Daniels.

Carroll’s suit is a civil case, meaning there is no chance Trump will be sent to prison.

The onetime advice columnist is seeking unspecified monetary damages and a retraction of Trump statements that she alleges were defamatory.

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His reply..... "she isn't my type."   Who says that?  The reality is that she was his type precisely, other than the fact that she is an American.

Perhaps his defense should be that with his small______________, he was incapable of brutally raping anyone.

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Amazing how uncritical liberals treat Jean Carroll's accusation, which is obviously flawed and not reliable because she can't even remember what year this allegedly happened, yet Tara Reade accusing Biden got her attacked by liberals and she was called a liar. Tara Reade's accusation didn't derail Biden's nomination either.

I'm sure the liberals on this board will be along shortly to explain how 'that's different' ...... in 3...2...1

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44 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Amazing how uncritical liberals treat Jean Carroll's accusation, which is obviously flawed and not reliable because she can't even remember what year this allegedly happened, yet Tara Reade accusing Biden got her attacked by liberals and she was called a liar. Tara Reade's accusation didn't derail Biden's nomination either.

I'm sure the liberals on this board will be along shortly to explain how 'that's different' ...... in 3...2...1

we are talking about the human stain known as trump.i notice you do not sympathize with the lady you just worry that scum you love is getting a fair shake.

 

 

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Jury Has Likely Decided Trump’s Fate in Rape Case Already

Mitchell Epner

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Reuters/Mike Segar

 

On the first day of trial testimony Wednesday, E. Jean Carroll took the witness stand and provided unvarnished testimony that she was raped by Donald Trump in the 1990s. She testified, “I’m here because Donald Trump raped me, and when I wrote about it, he said it did not happen.”

She testified that she and Trump went together to the lingerie department on the sixth floor of Bergdorf Goodman, flirting. When they got there,Trump followed her into the dressing room and pushed her against the wall, knocking her head and disorienting her. He also pulled down her tights, stuck his fingers inside of her vagina—causing her great pain—and stuck his penis inside of her vagina, for a period of time, while she struggled against him.

This testimony is the key to the case. If the jury believes it, they will find Trump liable for the rape of E. Jean Carroll, and likely award her significant damages. If the jury does not believe it, they will return a verdict in favor of the former President.

Based upon more than 25 years of experience as a trial attorney, including service as an Assistant United States Attorney prosecuting sex crimes, I believe that it is highly likely that the jurors have already made up their minds about whether Carroll is telling the truth—before she has completed her direct testimony and long before Donald Trump’s attorneys have the opportunity to cross-examine her.

This case won’t be a “he said, she said” case—because Trump is unlikely to testify.

In fact, Trump has not attended the trial at all so far. During opening statements, his attorney, Joe Tacopina, appeared to indicate that the trend would continue, saying that Trump’s testimony would only occur in deposition excerpts. Trump’s witness list consists of only two people, Donald Trump and Dr. Edgar Nace, a psychiatric expert witness.

 

E. Jean Carroll exits the Manhattan Federal Court in New York Wednesday after testifying in her civil rape case against former President Donald Trump.

Reuters//Eduardo Munoz

Trump also is not presenting any exhibits, other than excerpts from depositions. If he does not testify, the only way he will get facts into evidence will be through cross-examination of Ms. Carroll’s witnesses.

Ms. Carroll, on the other hand, will present a number of corroborating witnesses:

• Lisa Birnbaum: The bestselling author will testify that Carroll told her immediately after the incident what Trump had done to her. She will also testify that she told Carroll that she had been “raped.”

• Carol Martin: The first African-American anchor on local news in New York City (for over two decade) will likewise testify that Carroll told her immediately of the rape by Trump. Martin will testify that she told Carroll not to pursue the case, because he had "200 lawyers” and would destroy her.

• Jessica Leeds: Another of Trump’s alleged victims, she will testify that she was sexually assaulted by Donald Trump when she sat next to him on a flight in the 1970s, when he attempted to place his fingers inside of her vagina.

• Natasha Stoynoff: Then a reporter for People Magazine, she will testify that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her when she was at Mar-A-Lago in the early 2000s, working on a story.

Carroll is also set to present the infamous “Access Hollywood” video, in which Donald Trump bragged that he could grab women “by the *****” without consent, because he was “a star.”

Perhaps even more importantly, Carroll already addressed most of the points that Trump’s attorneys wanted to make on cross-examination.

 

Former President Donald Trump’s lawyer Joe Tacopina makes opening statements during a civil trial where E. Jean Carroll accuses him of raping her in a department store dressing room in the mid-1990s.

Reuters/Jane Rosenberg

When I was trained as an AUSA, I was taught to use the BOBS (Bring Out the Bad Stuff) to blunt the effectiveness of cross-examination of my witnesses. A skilled trial attorney will raise every point that they expect the defense to make on cross-examination (1), in order to build credibility with the jury and give the witness the opportunity to explain before facing closed-end (“yes or no”) questions from opposing counsel.

Carroll’s attorney used BOBS masterfully during her testimony today. She explained that:

• She was flirting with Donald Trump prior to the sexual assault.

• The door to the dressing room was open while she was assaulted, but she was trapped by Trump, who weighed at least “100 pounds more” than her.

• She did not scream during the attack—saying Wednesday, “I’m a fighter, not a screamer.”

• She did not write down anything about the attack in her diary. She added that she never puts negative things into her diary.

• She did not file a police report (saying that she was convinced by Carol Martin that she would be “destroyed” by Trump if she did).

• She could not recall the precise date, week, month or year of the attack (although she claimed it likely occurred in late 1995 or early 1996).

• She is a registered Democrat.

• Her book that described the attack had virtually no sales.

These were most of the points that Tacopina made during his opening argument. While I would imagine that he will return to these points during his cross-examination, the jurors may consider these points “old news.”

Another snafu for the Trump team happened just as the trial was starting this morning, when Donald Trump posted two messages on his social media platform, Truth Social, about this case. Both messages used Trump’s favorite phrase—“witch hunt”—to describe the proceedings. He accused Carroll’s lead attorney, Roberta Kaplan, of being a “political operative, financed by a big political donor.” In one message, he wrote, “Does anybody believe that I would take a then almost 60-year-old woman (2) that I didn’t know from the front door of a very crowded department store” and have sex with her. He also attacked the Court for denying his 11th hour attempt to introduce DNA evidence that he had previously refused to provide to the Plaintiff.

When plaintiff’s counsel brought these social media posts to the attention of Judge Lewis Kaplan, the judge made it clear to Trump’s lawyers he was not amused.

 

E. Jean Carroll departs the Manhattan federal courthouse in New York City.

Reuters/Brendan McDermid

He also stated that Trump was creating additional potential liability for himself. He noted that he had specifically forbidden the parties from raising to the jury the issue of third party funding for Carroll’s attorneys. He also said that it appeared Trump was attempting to influence his supporters, or the jury (or both) with his posts.

When Judge Kaplan was later informed that Eric Trump had made additional social media posts about the trial, he warned that there were laws against such actions (likely describing 18 USC Section 1504, which makes it a crime to create a writing designed to influence a juror in a pending trial).

Trump’s attorney stated that he would take action to avoid a repeat of these social media posts (3). Judge Kaplan, in a comment that seemed to indicate that he doubted whether Mr. Tacopina would be successful in getting his client to stop, made it clear that continued statements could have dire consequences for Donald and/or Eric Trump.

But despite all the hoopla, when the jurors left the courtroom today, each of them likely had a strong belief whether the testimony they just had heard from E. Jean Carroll was the truth or a lie. If they believe she told the truth, I doubt there is anything that will come out in the rest of the trial that will cause them to change their minds. If they believe she lied (in graphic detail), I also doubt anything else at trial will cause them to change their minds.

Which is it? Only time will tell.

1: One of the best examples of BOBS was in the movie 8 Mile, where Eminem won the final rap battle by reciting all of the ugly facts that he thought his opponent (Clarence) would use. After that, Clarence had nothing left to say and just gave up.

2: Carroll was, in fact, 52 years old at the time of the alleged rape.

3: Tacopina also cried foul about press accounts that Carroll had conducted two trials in front of “mock juries” and that each time the verdict came out in her favor.

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7 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

we are talking about the human stain known as trump.i notice you do not sympathize with the lady you just worry that scum you love is getting a fair shake.

And 91 is talking about the way liberals think. Nothing more

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9 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

we are talking about the human stain known as trump.i notice you do not sympathize with the lady you just worry that scum you love is getting a fair shake.

Sympathize with someone who claims she can't even remember what year this alleged incident happened? "Sometime back in the 1990's"? No, I do not sympathize. Sounds like a BS claim to me. If she was all that bothered why didn't she go to the police back when this allegedly happened. This sounds like nothing but another political hit piece to me.

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Just now, Mikey said:

Sympathize with someone who claims she can't even remember what year this alleged incident happened? "Sometime back in the 1990's"? No, I do not sympathize. Sounds like a BS claim to me. If she was all that bothered why didn't she go to the police back when this allegedly happened. This sounds like nothing but another political hit piece to me.

tragedy has been know to do this because of the violence forced upon someone. 2 if you read everything before popping off like you do the articles cover it. you people have been covering up for trump and it is a horrific look when it comes to stuff like this. for the record it is fact that one of trumps wives took trump to court over rape and she won period. did you know that? trump is a convicted rapist already. this is fact. and add the other 26 or more rape and assault charges whom common sense will tell you they are not all lying if any. trump is a powerful man with money and they still seek justice. Add his bragging of grabbing them by the ***** and doing what he wants is another clue. and if you read the above articles you would see he has already done this.a few times. Lets not forget trumps trip with epstein to the island. you think a man who buys hookers and has this many assaults behaved himself? And saying ol epstein was a great guy? and i can only imagine your laughing emoji was over the ladies suffering. just when i thought you could not get any lower you did. good job mikey!

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6 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

tragedy has been know to do this because of the violence forced upon someone. 2 if you read everything before popping off like you do the articles cover it. you people have been covering up for trump and it is a horrific look when it comes to stuff like this. for the record it is fact that one of trumps wives took trump to court over rape and she won period. did you know that? trump is a convicted rapist already. this is fact. and add the other 26 or more rape and assault charges whom common sense will tell you they are not all lying if any. trump is a powerful man with money and they still seek justice. Add his bragging of grabbing them by the ***** and doing what he wants is another clue. and if you read the above articles you would see he has already done this.a few times. Lets not forget trumps trip with epstein to the island. you think a man who buys hookers and has this many assaults behaved himself? And saying ol epstein was a great guy? and i can only imagine your laughing emoji was over the ladies suffering. just when i thought you could not get any lower you did. good job mikey!

Speaking of sympathizing with the lady fiddy, Juanita Broaddrick says hello. As usual with all leftist attacks it only applies to you, not them. Always different. Until she gets her day in court you can tell Jean to take a number.  

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6 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Speaking of sympathizing with the lady fiddy, Juanita Broaddrick says hello. As usual with all leftist attacks it only applies to you, not them. Always different. Until she gets her day in court you can tell Jean to take a number.  

you are so wrong jj. my sister was raped repeatedly at the age of nine and ten. i am not familiar with her. but i think all rapists should have their genitals removed and i am not being funny. and i will not tell ANY rape victim to take a number. damn you are so callous today. that is my job.

[jj3jordan 2,171]

Just now, aubiefifty said:

you are so wrong jj. my sister was raped repeatedly at the age of nine and ten. i am not familiar with her. but i think all rapists should have their genitals removed and i am not being funny. and i will not tell ANY rape victim to take a number. damn you are so callous today. that is my job.

I agree. Remove their genitals. Including your sister’s perps. Start with Bill Clinton. If you are unfamiliar with Jaunita Broaddrick then inform yourself. I don’t believe you could be as informed on all the subjects you comment on and not be aware of her accusations. Just looking for equal justice my friend.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

2 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

I agree. Remove their genitals. Including your sister’s perps. Start with Bill Clinton. If you are unfamiliar with Jaunita Broaddrick then inform yourself. I don’t believe you could be as informed on all the subjects you comment on and not be aware of her accusations. Just looking for equal justice my friend.

if bill is guilty of rape then get him. i am sick of all pols getting away with serious crap. i thought i have been clear on this. i think bill might have been set up. but again i am remembering the name some now but not enough to say one way or another.

[jj3jordan 2,171]

10 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

if bill is guilty of rape then get him. i am sick of all pols getting away with serious crap. i thought i have been clear on this. i think bill might have been set up. but again i am remembering the name some now but not enough to say one way or another.

So when it is your side it is a setup. When it is our side it is truth. At least we are clear on your philosophy.

[TitanTiger 21,246]

4 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

So when it is your side it is a setup. When it is our side it is truth. At least we are clear on your philosophy.

I don't think that's exactly what he was saying.  He's admitting he's not sure he's remembering the right person w/r/t the set up comment.  But he already stated that if bill did it, go get him.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

3 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

So when it is your side it is a setup. When it is our side it is truth. At least we are clear on your philosophy.

most of those women were paid to show up and testify. hotels eats and maybe spending money like per diem? there were accusations made about that and i have googled it in the past and could never find anything on it. this is why i have my doubts. and maybe that is normal i have no idea

[aubiefifty 18,259]

Just now, TitanTiger said:

I don't think that's exactly what he was saying.  He's admitting he's not sure he's remembering the right person w/r/t the set up comment.  But he already stated that if bill did it, go get him.

thank you.

[autigeremt 7,214]

Please jail him. Get him out of the political nightmare. 

[aubiefifty 18,259]

1 minute ago, autigeremt said:

Please jail him. Get him out of the political nightmare. 

i think his mouth is going to get him in serious trouble. his first rape accuser was a child. she took it to court and dropped the charges after someone walked up to the family by their car in a parking lot and told them to drop it or they would all be eliminated. this used to be on snopes. you could exactly what the little girl said. it might still be.

[I_M4_AU 8,943]

6 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

i think his mouth is going to get him in serious trouble. his first rape accuser was a child. she took it to court and dropped the charges after someone walked up to the family by their car in a parking lot and told them to drop it or they would all be eliminated. this used to be on snopes. you could exactly what the little girl said. it might still be.

Come on fifty:

Lawsuits accusing Donald Trump of sexually assaulting a child in the 1990s appear to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities.

Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show, has previously been involved with disputed allegations that OJ Simpson bought illegal drugs on the day Simpson’s wife was murdered, and that Kurt Cobain’s widow had the Nirvana frontman killed.

Court filings in California and New York against Trump, purportedly on behalf of a woman using the name Katie Johnson, have in recent weeks alleged that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee raped Johnson when she was 13. Trump vehemently denies the allegations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

Is this what you are referring to?  RIP Jerry, but come on, you can’t believe this junk.

[aubiefifty 18,259]

2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Come on fifty:

Lawsuits accusing Donald Trump of sexually assaulting a child in the 1990s appear to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities.

Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show, has previously been involved with disputed allegations that OJ Simpson bought illegal drugs on the day Simpson’s wife was murdered, and that Kurt Cobain’s widow had the Nirvana frontman killed.

Court filings in California and New York against Trump, purportedly on behalf of a woman using the name Katie Johnson, have in recent weeks alleged that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee raped Johnson when she was 13. Trump vehemently denies the allegations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

Is this what you are referring to?  RIP Jerry, but come on, you can’t believe this junk.

maybe i am confused but i believe it was way before then. but the court papers were there with several pages.