Florida Surgeon General Lied and Altered Covid vaccine findings

[AU9377 6,057]

How many lies does the far right accept?  This kind of BS is dangerous and has no place in our society.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/24/florida-surgeon-general-covid-vaccine-00093510

[CoffeeTiger 5,914]

3 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

/snipped covid/vaccine misinformation/

 

The political Right also suffered more deaths and hospitalizations than other political leaning groups. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-democrats-why-rcna50883

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30512

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/political-ideology-of-u-s-elected-officials-linked-with-covid-19-health-outcomes/

https://theintercept.com/2022/10/10/covid-republican-democrat-deaths/

 

 

There is a very fine line between "Eh, I don't think the vaccine is as effective as they say" and "The vaccine is a poison developed by George Soros to control and kill off segments of the population" and way, way too many people on the Right were barging across that fine line and not stopping. Those are the ones that dominated the right wing anti-vax/anti-masking movement and made all the right wing sceptics look dumb by association. 

That and then all the people who refused to get a vaccine because they felt like that's what the liberals wanted them to do and everything in their life had to revolve around 'owning the libs' 

 

 

 

 

[aubiefifty 18,306]

2 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

The political Right also suffered more deaths and hospitalizations than other political leaning groups. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-democrats-why-rcna50883

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30512

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/political-ideology-of-u-s-elected-officials-linked-with-covid-19-health-outcomes/

https://theintercept.com/2022/10/10/covid-republican-democrat-deaths/

 

 

There is a very fine line between "Eh, I don't think the vaccine is as effective as they say" and "The vaccine is a poison developed by George Soros to control and kill off segments of the population" and way, way too many people on the Right were barging across that fine line and not stopping. Those are the ones that dominated the right wing anti-vax/anti-masking movement and made all the right wing sceptics look dumb by association. 

That and then all the people who refused to get a vaccine because they felt like that's what the liberals wanted them to do and everything in their life had to revolve around 'owning the libs' 

 

 

 

 

i want what you are smoking. they proved the man lied. period. all that other garbage is not necessary. why not just say yes he did and move on?

[aubiefifty 18,306]

also i am not being snarky so wth is your problem with me posting this on this side of the board. you are a mess dude.

[I_M4_AU 8,980]

7 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

The political Right also suffered more deaths and hospitalizations than other political leaning groups. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-democrats-why-rcna50883

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30512

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/political-ideology-of-u-s-elected-officials-linked-with-covid-19-health-outcomes/

https://theintercept.com/2022/10/10/covid-republican-democrat-deaths/

 

 

There is a very fine line between "Eh, I don't think the vaccine is as effective as they say" and "The vaccine is a poison developed by George Soros to control and kill off segments of the population" and way, way too many people on the Right were barging across that fine line and not stopping. Those are the ones that dominated the right wing anti-vax/anti-masking movement and made all the right wing sceptics look dumb by association. 

That and then all the people who refused to get a vaccine because they felt like that's what the liberals wanted them to do and everything in their life had to revolve around 'owning the libs' 

 

 

 

 

This whole reply has little to do with what the left tried to sell the population on about COVID.  The point being what lies the *far right* will believe is not as many as the sheep herd left believed.

[CoffeeTiger 5,914]

14 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

This whole reply has little to do with what the left tried to sell the population on about COVID.  The point being what lies the *far right* will believe is not as many as the sheep herd left believed.

 

[I_M4_AU 8,980]

16 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

Yes, I do.  I knew the vaccine mandate was unconstitutional the minute Biden said he would probably not have to issue a mandate.  He and Fauci were in lock step in saying that only to issue one months later.

I knew masks were a joke because there were no standards issued.  I knew being outside was not a danger for catching COVID.  This all before *the science* said we should be afraid, be very afraid.

I don’t have to ask the same question of you, I know the answer.

[AU9377 6,057]

3 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

This should be in the Smack Talk forum as you can’t be serious.  How many lies does the far right accept?

/snipped COVID/vaccine misinformation/

It can be moved wherever and whenever a mod wants and I won't object.  However, this isn't smack talk at all.  This man, at the urging of a complacent Ron DeSantis, literally changed the results to fit his narrative.  He is a medical professional.  He should, and very well may, be sanctioned by the licensing board.  Why do you make this political.  It is no more political than cancer or heart disease.  Even so, you trust your doctor on your treatment when it comes to cancer and heart disease, yet ignore him or her when it comes to Covid.  That sums it up pretty well.

[TitanTiger 21,342]

Point of order:  Keep the COVID and vaccine quackery off this site.  I've removed a couple of posts pushing nonsense along with the tangent about who moved the thread. 

[AU9377 6,057]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Yes, I do.  I knew the vaccine mandate was unconstitutional the minute Biden said he would probably not have to issue a mandate.  He and Fauci were in lock step in saying that only to issue one months later.

I knew masks were a joke because there were no standards issued.  I knew being outside was not a danger for catching COVID.  This all before *the science* said we should be afraid, be very afraid.

I don’t have to ask the same question of you, I know the answer.

What has Fauci done to deserve being characterized as some bad actor?

[I_M4_AU 8,980]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

What has Fauci done to deserve being characterized as some bad actor?

Evidently I can’t say, but if the Senate starts investigating it will come out.

[aubiefifty 18,306]

1 hour ago, TitanTiger said:

Point of order:  Keep the COVID and vaccine quackery off this site.  I've removed a couple of posts pushing nonsense along with the tangent about who moved the thread. 

since when is a legit article about people in florida busted for  lying about the vaccine quackery? are you saying a bunch of lies were posted or you do not want it ion the non snarky side?

[I_M4_AU 8,980]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

It can be moved wherever and whenever a mod wants and I won't object.  However, this isn't smack talk at all.  This man, at the urging of a complacent Ron DeSantis, literally changed the results to fit his narrative.  He is a medical professional.  He should, and very well may, be sanctioned by the licensing board.  Why do you make this political.  It is no more political than cancer or heart disease.  Even so, you trust your doctor on your treatment when it comes to cancer and heart disease, yet ignore him or her when it comes to Covid.  That sums it up pretty well.

Why do I make it political?  You put it on the political forum and mentioned DeSantis as the driving factor for his misdeed.  A doctor gives you his or her advice as to what to do in situations on medical issues such as cancer or heart disease, it is up to the patient whether to take his advice or not.  Same with vaccines.  Should it have been mandatory for a healthy teen to get a vaccine if that teen has no underlying health conditions?

Is it mandatory to go through cancer treatment?  I have known people to refuse cancer treatment because they’ve been through it before and have decided they would rather die than go through it again.  You still have autonomy over the decision about your body, do you not?

Do you do everything your doctor suggests?

[Leftfield 3,388]

8 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Is it mandatory to go through cancer treatment?  I have known people to refuse cancer treatment because they’ve been through it before and have decided they would rather die than go through it again.  You still have autonomy over the decision about your body, do you not?

Cancer is not communicable.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

10 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Why do I make it political?  You put it on the political forum and mentioned DeSantis as the driving factor for his misdeed.  A doctor gives you his or her advice as to what to do in situations on medical issues such as cancer or heart disease, it is up to the patient whether to take his advice or not.  Same with vaccines.  Should it have been mandatory for a healthy teen to get a vaccine if that teen has no underlying health conditions?

Is it mandatory to go through cancer treatment?  I have known people to refuse cancer treatment because they’ve been through it before and have decided they would rather die than go through it again.  You still have autonomy over the decision about your body, do you not?

Do you do everything your doctor suggests?

You do get the concept of pandemic,,, don't you?   You do understand the necessity of vaccines in minimizing sickness and death?

[aubiefifty 18,306]

15 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

  You still have autonomy over the decision about your body, do you not?

 

only if they are not transgender am i right? look people cannot smoke inside or in cars or around kids because it can make kids sick. it is done to protect people. the same way in most states is helmet laws. people do not have a right to get other people sick.

 

Edited April 25, 2023 by aubiefifty

[I_M4_AU 8,980]

Just now, Leftfield said:

Cancer is not communicable.

I was using AU9377’s example of following your doctor’s advice.  Keep up.

I know you are trying to talk about Covid here, but we have had communicable diseases before such as the flu and HIV and it has been left up to the patient if they want to get a vaccine.

[I_M4_AU 8,980]

2 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

only if they are not transgender am i right?

A consenting adult can volunteer to appropriate the opposite sex if they want.

[I_M4_AU 8,980]

6 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

You do get the concept of pandemic,,, don't you?   You do understand the necessity of vaccines in minimizing sickness and death?

Yes, I do.  I’m saying it should be left to the individual to make that decision and that is why we don’t have a vaccine mandate.

[aubiefifty 18,306]

Just now, I_M4_AU said:

A consenting adult can volunteer to appropriate the opposite sex if they want.

that is not your call to make. that belongs to the parents and qualified doctors. they know their life history and medical history as well right? again i know a family that did this. they took her to the best in our area which is uab. there were other specialists as well and it cost them some money. but now she is a he and as happy as she has ever been and it has been a dozen or more years. i just find this odd because you repubs hate being told what to do. well unless it is a lefty kind of suggestion am i right? what gives YOU the right to say how a family raises their kids within the law. the girl could not drive when she started and it too a while. do you not understand this?

[icanthearyou 4,468]

2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Yes, I do.  I’m saying it should be left to the individual to make that decision and that is why we don’t have a vaccine mandate.

Don't we?  What do you think the schools do every year when they ask for immunization records.

[aubiefifty 18,306]

3 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Yes, I do.  I’m saying it should be left to the individual to make that decision and that is why we don’t have a vaccine mandate.

so you do not care about others lives and how you could harm them? this is what it sounds like so i am asking. what about your neighbors?

[TitanTiger 21,342]

2 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Don't we?  What do you think the schools do every year when they ask for immunization records.

Was just coming to post this.  There are also various industries and companies that widely mandate vaccinations.

Man that dipshit who tied vaccines to autism in the 90s kicked off this vaccine skepticism craziness and I'd love to kick him in the balls for about an hour.

[aubiefifty 18,306]

11 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

A consenting adult can volunteer to appropriate the opposite sex if they want.

well the parents did make a decision and it turned out well. but i wll say this young man "now" is one of the smartest kids i have ever met. and the parenst are great parents as well. i cannot stress that highly enough.

[I_M4_AU 8,980]

Just now, aubiefifty said:

well the parents did make a decision and it turned out well. but i wll say this young man "now" is one of the smartest kids i have ever met. and the parenst are great parents as well. i cannot stress that highly enough.

I’m glad it worked out.  I disagree that transitions has to start when they are minors.