6-year-old, parents and neighbor shot after basketball rolls into yard in North Carolina

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The shooter was a felon not allowed to own or carry a firearm.   

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7 minutes ago, cptau said:

The shooter was a felon not allowed to own or carry a firearm.   

Another gun law subverted.  Let’s make another law that says anybody that has a criminal record should tell the local authorities if they plan to buy or possess a gun.  That’ll do it.

[aubiefifty 18,435]

i am not sure if we even deserve guns anymore. we have turned into a third wold country. schools and churches are not safe anymore. kids are being shot down in cold blood and people are beginning to be afraid to go out anymore. why worry about russia or china when we are our own worst enemy? and we are pro police until they say the guns laws make their job harder. i weep for this country.

[I_M4_AU 9,034]

32 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

we are pro police until they say the guns laws make their job harder

How can you say *we* are pro-police and gun laws make their job harder?  

In the past year, city police departments across the country have reported a dramatic drop in manpower, as cops retire, resign, or leave for the suburbs. The NYPD’s headcount fell to its lowest level in ten years. In Chicago, police retirements rose 15 percent. The San Francisco Police Department is short 400 officers; over 115 officers, including an entire unit dedicated to crowd control, have left the Portland PD; and nearly 200 have left the Minneapolis PD or are on leave, rendering the department unable to engage in proactive policing. A recent survey of police departments found that hiring fell an average of 5 percent in 2020, while resignations rose 18 percent and retirements a whopping 45 percent.

As the cops who have walked out tell it, the manpower crisis is partially the byproduct of a sustained assault on policing by politicians and journalists looking to score points. If cops believe that one wrong step could ruin their lives forever, they will stop being cops. That’s what many are deciding to do, and the results have already proved deadly.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/why-cops-are-quitting?wallit_nosession=1

This article is two years old.

This one is from January of this year:

In Tulsa, Oklahoma, a city of 411,000 with a violent crime rate twice the national average, police officials are struggling to fill 160 vacant officer jobs.

Having 800 officers do the work of nearly 1,000 makes public safety Tulsa’s most critical problem, Mayor G.T. Bynum said last November in his annual “State of the City” speech.

“The toxic national dialogue that demonizes police officers has made police department staffing significantly more difficult for every major city in America,” Bynum said Nov. 15, adding, “All it takes is a 30-second out-of-context clip on the internet to tarnish their reputation or even ruin their career. “

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/01/21/police-hiring-government-jobs-decline

Not a word about gun laws in either article.  The second article also points out the government jobs, such as Firefighters and Bus Drivers are down too.

[aubaseball 2,895]

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

How can you say *we* are pro-police and gun laws make their job harder?  

In the past year, city police departments across the country have reported a dramatic drop in manpower, as cops retire, resign, or leave for the suburbs. The NYPD’s headcount fell to its lowest level in ten years. In Chicago, police retirements rose 15 percent. The San Francisco Police Department is short 400 officers; over 115 officers, including an entire unit dedicated to crowd control, have left the Portland PD; and nearly 200 have left the Minneapolis PD or are on leave, rendering the department unable to engage in proactive policing. A recent survey of police departments found that hiring fell an average of 5 percent in 2020, while resignations rose 18 percent and retirements a whopping 45 percent.

As the cops who have walked out tell it, the manpower crisis is partially the byproduct of a sustained assault on policing by politicians and journalists looking to score points. If cops believe that one wrong step could ruin their lives forever, they will stop being cops. That’s what many are deciding to do, and the results have already proved deadly.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/why-cops-are-quitting?wallit_nosession=1

This article is two years old.

This one is from January of this year:

In Tulsa, Oklahoma, a city of 411,000 with a violent crime rate twice the national average, police officials are struggling to fill 160 vacant officer jobs.

Having 800 officers do the work of nearly 1,000 makes public safety Tulsa’s most critical problem, Mayor G.T. Bynum said last November in his annual “State of the City” speech.

“The toxic national dialogue that demonizes police officers has made police department staffing significantly more difficult for every major city in America,” Bynum said Nov. 15, adding, “All it takes is a 30-second out-of-context clip on the internet to tarnish their reputation or even ruin their career. “

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/01/21/police-hiring-government-jobs-decline

Not a word about gun laws in either article.  The second article also points out the government jobs, such as Firefighters and Bus Drivers are down too.

Don’t come in here bringing logic, common sense and facts.   There are some that want guns to go away.   

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5 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Another gun law subverted.  Let’s make another law that says anybody that has a criminal record should tell the local authorities if they plan to buy or possess a gun.  That’ll do it.

 

1 hour ago, aubaseball said:

Don’t come in here bringing logic, common sense and facts.   There are some that want guns to go away.   

Increasing the number of guns in the U.S. is making this problem worse or is that a solution? 

[aubiefifty 18,435]

4 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

How can you say *we* are pro-police and gun laws make their job harder?  

In the past year, city police departments across the country have reported a dramatic drop in manpower, as cops retire, resign, or leave for the suburbs. The NYPD’s headcount fell to its lowest level in ten years. In Chicago, police retirements rose 15 percent. The San Francisco Police Department is short 400 officers; over 115 officers, including an entire unit dedicated to crowd control, have left the Portland PD; and nearly 200 have left the Minneapolis PD or are on leave, rendering the department unable to engage in proactive policing. A recent survey of police departments found that hiring fell an average of 5 percent in 2020, while resignations rose 18 percent and retirements a whopping 45 percent.

As the cops who have walked out tell it, the manpower crisis is partially the byproduct of a sustained assault on policing by politicians and journalists looking to score points. If cops believe that one wrong step could ruin their lives forever, they will stop being cops. That’s what many are deciding to do, and the results have already proved deadly.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/why-cops-are-quitting?wallit_nosession=1

This article is two years old.

This one is from January of this year:

In Tulsa, Oklahoma, a city of 411,000 with a violent crime rate twice the national average, police officials are struggling to fill 160 vacant officer jobs.

Having 800 officers do the work of nearly 1,000 makes public safety Tulsa’s most critical problem, Mayor G.T. Bynum said last November in his annual “State of the City” speech.

“The toxic national dialogue that demonizes police officers has made police department staffing significantly more difficult for every major city in America,” Bynum said Nov. 15, adding, “All it takes is a 30-second out-of-context clip on the internet to tarnish their reputation or even ruin their career. “

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/01/21/police-hiring-government-jobs-decline

Not a word about gun laws in either article.  The second article also points out the government jobs, such as Firefighters and Bus Drivers are down too.

 

1 hour ago, aubaseball said:

Don’t come in here bringing logic, common sense and facts.   There are some that want guns to go away.   

read it and weep boys. i am that was nothing but a deflection as you could have easily googles but instead you try to make me look like i do not know what i am talking about.

 

Weak Gun Laws Are Hurting Police Officers

Allison Jordan

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Two police officers stand in front of the Alamo in San Antonio, Texas, in December 2018. (Getty/Robert Alexander)

Policing is a perilous profession, and officers often encounter dangerous situations in the course of their duties. These risks are even higher in states with weak gun laws. Yet in many states, the same politicians that claim to support police agencies also push to weaken gun laws—despite law enforcement agencies’ opposition—and further endanger officers’ lives. If elected officials are serious about protecting police officers, they must stop passing dangerous gun laws and increasing police officers’ risk of experiencing gun violence.

This fact sheet both provides data that point to the prominent role of firearms in police officer fatalities and argues for stronger, commonsense gun laws.

Firearms are by far the most common method used to kill police officers in the United States

• From 2012 to 2021, 504 police officers were killed in the United States. ¹ Out of those, 456 officers were fatally shot with a gun²—meaning that 90 percent of these homicides were perpetrated with a gun.³
• From 2020 to 2021, the number of police officers fatally shot rose 35 percent.⁴

Police officers in the United States are far more likely to be fatally shot than those in other developed nations

• From 2012 to 2021, 456 police officers were fatally shot in the United States.⁵
• During that same period:
  • Twelve police officers were fatally shot in Canada.⁶
  • Four police officers were fatally shot in the United Kingdom.⁷
  • Three police officers were fatally shot in Australia.⁸

Police officers in the United States are more likely to be fatally shot in states with higher levels of gun ownership and weaker gun laws

• A 2016 study concluded that police officers were three times more likely to be fatally shot in the states with the highest levels of gun ownership than in the states with the lowest levels of gun ownership.⁹
• The Giffords Law Center graded states based on the strength of their gun laws. ¹⁰ States that received an “F” saw higher rates of police officers fatally shot from 2017 to 2021.¹¹
  • States with “F” grades had a rate of police officers fatally shot that was 75 percent higher than states with “C’s” or “D’s.”
  • States with “F” grades saw a rate of police officers fatally shot that was 152 percent higher than states with “A’s” or “B’s”—those with the strongest gun laws.

Police officers are often the target of extreme anti-government and white supremist groups that have easy access to guns

• In 2014, a married couple harboring anti-government views and white supremacy ideologies gunned down two police officers in Las Vegas, Nevada.¹²
• The Southern Poverty Law Center reports that from 2005 to 2018, domestic extremists fatally shot 42 police officers.¹³

Gun-related assaults against police officers occur at an alarming frequency

• From 2011 to 2020, at least 999 police officers were assaulted and injured in the line of duty.¹⁴
  • The vast majority, or 74 percent (735 officers), were assaulted and injured with a firearm.¹⁵

Police officers are also frequently shot while responding to domestic violence disputes

• In 2017, more police officers were fatally shot while attending to domestic violence calls than during any other firearm-related event.¹⁶
• A 2021 report shows that, in 2021, seven police officers were fatally shot while responding to calls of domestic violence.¹⁷

Elected officials have passed dangerous gun laws despite opposition from law enforcement groups and individuals

• In 2021, Texas passed permitless carry, a law that allows anyone to carry a firearm in public without a license, background check, or training. However, police agency groups and individuals opposed this bill.
  • The Texas Police Chiefs Association said the bill posed a threat to all law enforcement agencies and the public in general.¹⁸
• Similarly, police chiefs, sheriffs, and prosecutors in Tennessee opposed the bill that allows for permitless carry in their state.¹⁹ Nevertheless, conversative legislators still voted in favor of this law, and it has since taken effect.
• Law enforcement agencies and groups in Alabama, Ohio, and Iowa have also opposed permitless carry measures. Unfortunately, conservative legislators have ignored these concerns.²⁰
• In 2022, elected officials in the Ohio state Senate passed a bill to arm teachers despite strong opposition from law enforcement officers and teachers.²¹

To learn more about permitless carry, read this fact sheet.

 

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Conclusion

Police officers in the United States are significantly more likely to be murdered than law enforcement officers in other developed nations, and firearms play a major role. Officers are often shot during routine traffic stops and while attending calls of domestic disputes, and they are also targeted by extremist groups. Although data show that police officers are more likely to be fatally shot in states with weaker gun laws and higher levels of gun ownership, conservative elected officials have pushed for loose restrictions on gun ownership, ignoring opposition from police associations, prosecutors, and sheriffs. Elected officials must be consistent with what they preach: If they really want to support policing in this country, they must stop passing dangerous gun laws and instead pass commonsense preventive measures.

The positions of American Progress, and our policy experts, are independent, and the findings and conclusions presented are those of American Progress alone. A full list of supporters is available here. American Progress would like to acknowledge the many generous supporters who make our work possible.

 

 

now man up and apologize bro. i just proved you wrong. you can accept an apology but can you give one? you too baseball.............

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14 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

now man up and apologize bro. i just proved you wrong. you can accept an apology but can you give one? you too baseball.............

This is an opinion piece just like what I posted, just a different opinion.  There is no need to apologize.  We must not agree on what is making the polices job difficult.

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43 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

 

Increasing the number of guns in the U.S. is making this problem worse or is that a solution? 

It not the amount of guns, it who owns them.  For sure, more gun laws don’t help.

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18 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

i am not sure if we even deserve guns anymore. we have turned into a third wold country. schools and churches are not safe anymore. kids are being shot down in cold blood and people are beginning to be afraid to go out anymore. why worry about russia or china when we are our own worst enemy? and we are pro police until they say the guns laws make their job harder. i weep for this country.

We? Personal responsibility be damned? Ok 

[aubiefifty 18,435]

Just now, autigeremt said:

We? Personal responsibility be damned? Ok 

get back to me when you have a fair solution.............

[autigeremt 7,254]

2 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

get back to me when you have a fair solution.............

The solution is clear, but lazy people aren’t interested in turning this country around by turning away from irresponsible living. 

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36 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

The solution is clear, but lazy people aren’t interested in turning this country around by turning away from irresponsible living. 

Let's hear your solution.

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19 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Another gun law subverted.  Let’s make another law that says anybody that has a criminal record should tell the local authorities if they plan to buy or possess a gun.  That’ll do it.

The gun laws are essentially unenforceable because of sheer numbers.

[Auburn85 438]

https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-shooting-ball-girl-parents-61dda7685d1b0a9bcfde5655f753be1c

 

 

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Man accused of shooting 6-year-old neighbor, parents arrested in Florida

GASTONIA, N.C. (AP) — A North Carolina man accused of shooting and wounding a 6-year-old girl and her parents after children went to retrieve a basketball that had rolled into his yard was arrested in Florida Thursday afternoon, authorities said.

The violence was the latest in a string of recent shootings sparked by seemingly trivial circumstances.

Robert Louis Singletary, 24, was arrested in the Tampa area by Hillsborough County deputies, according to online jail records. He was being held without bail on a fugitive warrant. He’s scheduled to appear in court Friday.

Gaston County Police Chief Stephen Zill said at a news conference Wednesday that his department and the U.S. Marshals Service’s Regional Fugitive Task Force had been conducting a broad search for Singletary, who fled after the Tuesday night shootings near Gastonia, a city of roughly 80,000 people west of Charlotte.

Singletary had been out on bond in a December attack in which authorities say he assaulted a woman with a hammer. He was wanted in Tuesday’s shootings on four counts of attempted first-degree murder, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon with the intent to kill inflicting serious injury, and one count of being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Zill declined to say what sparked the attack, explaining that the investigation was ongoing.

However, neighbor Jonathan Robertson said the attack happened after some neighborhood children went to retrieve a basketball that had rolled into Singletary’s yard. He said Singletary, who had yelled at the children on several occasions since moving to the neighborhood, went inside his home, came back out with a gun and began shooting as parents frantically tried to get their kids to safety.

“As soon as I saw him coming out shooting, I was hollering at everybody to get down and get inside,” Robertson said.

A 6-year-old girl, Kinsley White, was grazed by a bullet in the left cheek and was treated at a hospital and released, she and her family said. Her father, Jamie White, who had run to her aid, was shot in the back. He remained hospitalized Thursday with serious wounds, including liver damage, according to Kinsley’s grandfather and neighbor, Carl Hilderbrand. The girl’s mother, Ashley Hilderbrand, was grazed in the elbow. Authorities say Singletary also shot at another man but missed.

“It was very scary,” Ashley Hilderbrand said Wednesday. “My daughter actually got to come home last night. She just had a bullet fragment in her cheek.”

It is the latest in a string of recent U.S. shootings that occurred for apparently trivial reasons, including the wounding of a Black teenage honors student in Missouri who went to the wrong address to pick up his younger brothers, the killing of a woman who was in a car that pulled into the wrong upstate New York driveway, and the wounding of two Texas cheerleaders after one apparently mistakenly got into a car that she thought was her own.

 

 

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8 hours ago, arein0 said:

Let's hear your solution.

Start a systemic national campaign promoting family and two member parenthood, stop using public schools as a lab, create national goals of accomplishment, promote individual responsibility and the value of life through education….all in approach. 

[icanthearyou 4,468]

On 4/20/2023 at 4:44 PM, I_M4_AU said:

Another gun law subverted.  Let’s make another law that says anybody that has a criminal record should tell the local authorities if they plan to buy or possess a gun.  That’ll do it.

Laws do not work?  Are you really suggesting that if a law is broken, then that law is useless? 

[aubiefifty 18,435]

Here is the whole thing in a nutshell. the problem with all the shootings going on is the nra and the repukes do not care who gets guns and now idiots have guns. you should have to earn that right just like the right to drive a car. this is where we are at now. sometimes you guys have to quit deflecting and admit YOU guys are the problem.

here is a great example...........

 

nbcnews.com

 

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

By Ali Vitali

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President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

Related: Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules

The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions.

Both the House and Senate last week passed the new bill, H.J. Res 40, revoking the Obama-era regulation.

Trump signed the bill into law without a photo op or fanfare. The president welcomed cameras into the oval office Tuesday for the signing of other executive orders and bills. News that the president signed the bill was tucked at the bottom of a White House email alerting press to other legislation signed by the president.

The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”

Everytown For Gun Safety President John Feinblatt said he expected more gun control rollbacks from the Trump administration. In a statement to NBC News, he called the action "just the first item on the gun lobby’s wish list" and accused the National Rifle Association of "pushing more guns, for more people, in more places."

Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., a leading gun control advocate in Congress, called out Republicans over the move.

"Republicans always say we don’t need new gun laws, we just need to enforce the laws already on the books. But the bill signed into law today undermines enforcement of existing laws that Congress passed to make sure the background check system had complete information," he said in an emailed statement.

[homersapien 12,300]

16 hours ago, autigeremt said:

Start a systemic national campaign promoting family and two member parenthood,

Such as this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-lay-childcare-home-care-policies-executive-order-rcna80120

Biden issues executive order to make child and home care cheaper

 

16 hours ago, autigeremt said:

stop using public schools as a lab,

  You'll need to provide some examples or explanation for this.

 

16 hours ago, autigeremt said:

create national goals of accomplishment, promote individual responsibility and the value of life through education….all in approach. 

Here's a Democratic plan:

https://dfer.org/

DFER is a national political organization that supports elected Democrats and candidates for office who seek to expand policies that improve the quality of education for America’s students.

About Us

DFER works to elect and support Democratic leaders who are committed to our vision for a public education system that empowers all of its students—particularly students of color, students from low-income backgrounds and other historically underserved students—to reach their limitless potential.

We, along with our affiliate organization Education Reform Now, conduct policy research and develop the innovative and bold policies that can transform the public education system. We lobby and lead campaigns to pass federal and state legislation that will advance our policy goals of increasing accountability and public school choice, improving resource equity, teacher preparedness, and making higher education more affordable for everyone.

Our Values

Remedying a History of Systemic Inequity.

At DFER, we staunchly believe every child is entitled to a high-quality public education, from early childhood through postsecondary education and training. We operate in the legacy of leading Democrats—stretching from Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton to Al Shanker and Rosa Parks—who sought to guarantee a quality public education to all students, especially those previously denied that right. We work to elect and support Democratic leaders who are committed to our vision for a public education system that empowers all of its students—particularly students of color, students from low-income backgrounds and other historically underserved students—to reach their limitless potential.

From its inception, our nation’s public education system has been rooted in inequity, spanning lines of race, gender, gender identity, class, sexual orientation, native language, zip code, and disability. For generations, our nation has distributed educational opportunity in discriminatory ways that rendered the American Dream illusory for too many children. While progress has been made, we continue to see the destructive consequences of systemic racism and discrimination within our education system.

DFER seeks to reverse these conditions and create a world where all American students—especially students of color and those mired in poverty—have access to quality schools that enable them to reach their fullest potential.

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We Commit to Being…

Student-Centered.

We believe that what’s best for students should always come first and that their race, gender, sexual orientation, native language, class, zip code, or disability shouldn’t impact the quality of education they receive. Our policy priorities, research and advocacy work prioritizes the academic, social, emotional, and mental health needs of every student; however, it centers those furthest from educational justice because we believe that when we prioritize improving outcomes for students who have been historically prohibited and underserved that the system accrues benefits for everyone.

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Anti-Racist.

We are committed to dismantling the systemic racism against Black, Indigenous, Latino/Latinx/Hispanic, Asian American Pacific Islander, and marginalized communities that is entrenched in our nation’s education system. We unapologetically advocate for anti-racist policies both within and outside of the education sector. We pledge to continue to examine and understand our work through the lens of equity and racial justice, and elevate leadership who share our beliefs, both internally as an organization, and externally in our advocacy.

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Advocates for Students from Lower-Income Backgrounds.

We believe a family’s income should never dictate the quality of education their child receives. For too long, our education system has generated income, wealth, and social status inequity, instead of empowering our children with the resources and tools they need to succeed. We fight to alleviate the effects of poverty for students furthest from privilege—whether they live in urban communities, exurban, or rural communities—so that resources are equitably distributed, and all students are able to reach their utmost potential, regardless of income.

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Continuous Learners.

We are committed to operating in all aspects of our work with integrity and humility. That starts with learning from the history of this country’s education system and a commitment to continuous improvement as individuals, and as an organization, to right the wrongs of the past and build toward a better future for all children.

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Collaborative.

Improving student outcomes can only be realized when we work together across perspectives, and at all levels of our work, with others who share our “student-centered” approach. In this, we place a particular emphasis on supporting and elevating voices of those most impacted by systemic inequities. We commit to collaborating with families, educators, policymakers, elected officials, civil rights leaders, and advocates to advance a common vision for a bright future for all of our nation’s students, families, and communities—especially those historically denied this opportunity.

Policies

(See web site)

• Data, Transparency, & Accountability
• Higher-Ed Quality & Affordability
• Public School Choice
• Resource Equity
• Teacher Quality & Preparation

 

DFER is affiliated with this non-partisan organization:

https://edreformnow.org/

Educational Reform Now

Education Reform Now (ERN) is a non-partisan, nonprofit think tank and advocacy organization that promotes increased resources and innovative reforms in K-16 public education, particularly for students of color and students from low-income families. We seek forward progress in public education—at the federal, state, and local level—developing and advocating for new, bold ideas and mutually reinforcing policies in elementary, secondary and post-secondary education

Edited April 22, 2023 by homersapien

[I_M4_AU 9,034]

38 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Laws do not work?  Are you really suggesting that if a law is broken, then that law is useless? 

No, leave it to you to twist everything around.  If laws are not enforced it is useless.  This man was a felon and, by law, was not allowed to posses a fire arm

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2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

No, leave it to you to twist everything around.  If laws are not enforced it is useless.  This man was a felon and, by law, was not allowed to posses a fire arm

Sure and,,, he will be charged.  So the law is useless?  It is not being enforced?  Are laws not enforced even when, particularly when they are broken.

Perhaps what you really want is a more thorough background check so that the law can be more effectively enforced?  Would you support 14 day background checks?

I am not twisting your words.  There is no reason.

[I_M4_AU 9,034]

2 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Sure and,,, he will be charged.  So the law is useless?  It is not being enforced?  Are laws not enforced even when, particularly when they are broken.

Perhaps what you really want is a more thorough background check so that the law can be more effectively enforced?  Would you support 14 day background checks?

I am not twisting your words.  There is no reason.

Yes, you do twist words.  I never mentioned laws were useless yet you keep asking the same question.

Why 14 days?  Is this an arbitrary number?  What would take so long in a background check.  This man was a felon, it should only take less than a minute to deny him a firearm.

Yes, he will be charged, but if the laws were enforced he would not be in a position to commit yet another crime.  Somehow, he got a gun as outlaws always seem to do, because, well, they are outside the law.

[aubiefifty 18,435]

iam4_ua are you EVER for me?

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19 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Yes, you do twist words.  I never mentioned laws were useless yet you keep asking the same question.

Why 14 days?  Is this an arbitrary number?  What would take so long in a background check.  This man was a felon, it should only take less than a minute to deny him a firearm.

Yes, he will be charged, but if the laws were enforced he would not be in a position to commit yet another crime.  Somehow, he got a gun as outlaws always seem to do, because, well, they are outside the law.

You absolutely mentioned the laws.  You are the one who suggested they were not enforced.  Please be honest.

Yes, 14 days was somewhat arbitrary but,,, the laws dictate a time limit for the approval process.  What would be acceptable to you?  Or, do you believe that more time will not yield better, more thorough results?

You do agree that laws do not magically stop crimes, laws provide penalties for committing crimes?  So again, how would you make the law enforceable preemptively?