What does the Bible say about homosexuality? For starters, Jesus wasn't a homophobe

[homersapien 12,241]

On 2/13/2023 at 9:59 PM, Son of A Tiger said:

Not sure why Franklin's salary is such an issue. The head of Goodwill makes just as much if not more. And heck college football HCs make a lot more and do a lot less in helping people in real need.

I seriously doubt Franklin spends much of his personal time actually administering or managing it. 

 

[Son of A Tiger 649]

22 hours ago, homersapien said:

I seriously doubt Franklin spends much of his personal time actually administering or managing it. 

 

I think you are wrong. Get friends on Facebook with him and Samaritan's Purse.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Son of A Tiger

[Son of A Tiger 649]

On 2/19/2023 at 8:39 PM, AU9377 said:

Again, I never said that SP didn't do good things for people.  There are many Christian organizations on the ground in Turkey and they should all be commended for their efforts in doing what Christians should do first and foremost, which is help their fellow man.

Everything helps but none compare to the magnitude of SP's help.

[arein0 1,105]

1 hour ago, Son of A Tiger said:

Everything helps but none compare to the magnitude of SP's help.

I dont think people are questioning whether SP is a good charity or not. Most are questioned whether it is ethical to take a massive salary from a charity. 

[Son of A Tiger 649]

11 hours ago, arein0 said:

I dont think people are questioning whether SP is a good charity or not. Most are questioned whether it is ethical to take a massive salary from a charity. 

SP in not just a simple charity. They have a tremendous investment in infrastructure including planes, trucks, portable field hospitals, etc. I for one don't have a problem with Graham as CEO making $1M per year. He is actively involved, travels to affected sites, and spends a lot of time as such. 

He is not the highest paid CEO of a charity by far. I think Goodwill is also a good charity but Mark Curran, their CEO, made $2.3M in 2018 so who knows what it is now.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Son of A Tiger

[arein0 1,105]

28 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said:

SP in not just a simple charity. They have a tremendous investment in infrastructure including planes, trucks, portable field hospitals, etc. I for one don't have a problem with Graham as CEO making $1M per year. He is actively involved, travels to affected sites, and spends a lot of time as such. 

He is not the highest paid CEO of a charity by far. I think Goodwill is also a good charity but Mark Curran, their CEO, made $2.3M in 2018 so who knows what it is now.

I'll admit, I'm very close minded on this subject. But I think it is very unethical for charity owners, pastors, really anyone asking for donations that go to a bigger cause to turn around and pocket a massive salary. To me it doesnt matter how big the organization is, the whole point of the organization is to give back to people in need of help, not to get wealthy. Dont get me wrong, I can understand taking a salary because it is a lot of work, but I will never understand taking a salary that is well beyond your means of living.

[Son of A Tiger 649]

2 minutes ago, arein0 said:

I'll admit, I'm very close minded on this subject. But I think it is very unethical for charity owners, pastors, really anyone asking for donations that go to a bigger cause to turn around and pocket a massive salary. To me it doesnt matter how big the organization is, the whole point of the organization is to give back to people in need of help, not to get wealthy. Dont get me wrong, I can understand taking a salary because it is a lot of work, but I will never understand taking a salary that is well beyond your means of living.

So you would agree that football HCs for example are way over paid?

[arein0 1,105]

20 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said:

So you would agree that football HCs for example are way over paid?

It doesnt matter whether or not I think a football HC or a corporate CEO are way overpaid. What they make is completely irrelevant for this conversation. They are not asking for donations to specifically help people in need.

[1716AU 791]

On 2/9/2023 at 11:52 AM, aubiefifty said:

What does the Bible say about homosexuality? For starters, Jesus wasn't a homophobe

Gerald West, Senior Professor of Biblical Studies, University of KwaZulu-Natal

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Pope Francis was recently asked about his views on homosexuality. He reportedly replied:

This (laws around the world criminalising LGBTI people) is not right. Persons with homosexual tendencies are children of God. God loves them. God accompanies them … condemning a person like this is a sin. Criminalising people with homosexual tendencies is an injustice.

This isn’t the first time Pope Francis has shown himself to be a progressive leader when it comes to, among other things, gay Catholics.

It’s a stance that has drawn the ire of some high-ranking bishops and ordinary Catholics, both on the African continent and elsewhere in the world.

Read more: Pope Francis' visit to Africa comes at a defining moment for the Catholic church

Some of these Catholics may argue that Pope Francis’s approach to LGBTI matters is a misinterpretation of Scripture (or the Bible). But is it?

Scripture is particularly important for Christians. When church leaders refer to “the Bible” or “the Scriptures”, they usually mean “the Bible as we understand it through our theological doctrines”. The Bible is always interpreted by our churches through their particular theological lenses.

As a biblical scholar, I would suggest that church leaders who use their cultures and theology to exclude homosexuals don’t read Scripture carefully. Instead, they allow their patriarchal fears to distort it, seeking to find in the Bible proof-texts that will support attitudes of exclusion.

There are several instances in the Bible that underscore my point.

Love of God and neighbour

Mark’s Gospel, found in the New Testament, records that Jesus entered the Jerusalem temple on three occasions. First, he visited briefly, and “looked around at everything” (11:11).

On the second visit he acted, driving “out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves” (11:15). Jesus specifically targeted those who exploited the poorest of the people coming to the temple.

On his third visit, Jesus spent considerable time in the temple itself (11:27-13:2). He met the full array of temple leadership, including chief priests, teachers of the law and elders. Each of these leadership sectors used their interpretation of Scripture to exclude rather than to include.

The “ordinary people” (11:32 and 12:12) recognised that Jesus proclaimed a gospel of inclusion. They eagerly embraced him as he walked through the temple.

In Mark 12:24, Jesus addresses the Sadducees, who were the traditional high priests of ancient Israel and played an important role in the temple. Among those who confronted Jesus, they represented the group that held to a conservative theological position and used their interpretation of the Scripture to exclude. Jesus said to them:

Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God?

Jesus recognised that they chose to interpret Scripture in a way that prevented it from being understood in non-traditional ways. Thus they limited God’s power to be different from traditional understandings of him. Jesus was saying God refused to be the exclusive property of the Sadducees. The ordinary people who followed Jesus understood that he represented a different understanding of God.

This message of inclusion becomes even clearer when Jesus is later confronted by a single scribe (12:28). In answer to the scribe’s question on the most important laws, Jesus summarised the theological ethic of his gospel: love of God and love of neighbour (12:29-31).

Inclusion, not exclusion

Those who would exclude homosexuals from God’s kingdom choose to ignore Jesus, turning instead to the Old Testament – most particularly to Genesis 19, the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Their interpretation of the story is that it is about homosexuality. It isn’t. It relates to hospitality.

The story begins in Genesis 18 when three visitors (God and two angels, appearing as “men”) came before Abraham, a Hebrew patriarch. What did Abraham and his wife Sarah do? They offered hospitality.

The two angels then left Abraham and the Lord and travelled into Sodom (19:1) where they met Lot, Abraham’s nephew. What did Lot do? He offered hospitality. The two incidents of hospitality are explained in exactly the same language.

The “men of Sodom” (19:4), as the Bible describes them, didn’t offer the same hospitality to these angels in disguise. Instead they sought to humiliate them (and Lot (19:9)) by threatening to rape them. We know they were heterosexual because Lot, in attempting to protect himself and his guests, offered his virgin daughters to them (19:8).

Heterosexual rape of men by men is a common act of humiliation. This is an extreme form of inhospitality. The story contrasts extreme hospitality (Abraham and Lot) with the extreme inhospitality of the men of Sodom. It is a story of inclusion, not exclusion. Abraham and Lot included the strangers; the men of Sodom excluded them.

Clothed in Christ

When confronted by the inclusive gospel of Jesus and a careful reading of the story of Sodom as one about hospitality, those who disavow Pope Francis’s approach will likely jump to other Scriptures. Why? Because they have a patriarchal agenda and are looking for any Scripture that might support their position.

But the other Scriptures they use also require careful reading. Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, for example, are not about “homosexuality” as we now understand it – as the caring, loving and sexual relationship between people of the same sex. These texts are about relationships that cross boundaries of purity (between clean and unclean) and ethnicity (Israelite and Canaanite).

In Galatians 3:28 in the New Testament, Paul the apostle yearns for a Christian community where:

There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

Paul built his theological argument on the Jew-Greek distinction, but then extended it to the slave-free distinction and the male-female distinction. Christians – no matter which church they belong to – should follow Paul and extend it to the heterosexual-homosexual distinction.

We are all “clothed in Christ” (3:27😞 God only sees Christ, not our different sexualities.

This article is republished from The Conversation, a nonprofit news site dedicated to sharing ideas from academic experts. Like this article? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter.

It was written by: Gerald West, University of KwaZulu-Natal.

It says nothing.  The word is a 1946 construct.

To think that the bible condemns same sex relationships is just lazy and uninformed.

Like Southern Baptists and Evangelical Christianity.

 

[Son of A Tiger 649]

3 hours ago, 1716AU said:

It says nothing.  The word is a 1946 construct.

To think that the bible condemns same sex relationships is just lazy and uninformed.

Like Southern Baptists and Evangelical Christianity.

 

How do you ignore these?

What Does the Bible Say About Same-sex Marriage? (openbible.info)

47 Bible verses about Same Sex Marriage (knowing-jesus.com)

Edited February 21, 2023 by Son of A Tiger

[icanthearyou 4,468]

16 hours ago, Son of A Tiger said:

How do you ignore these?

What Does the Bible Say About Same-sex Marriage? (openbible.info)

47 Bible verses about Same Sex Marriage (knowing-jesus.com)

The words of Jesus.  Jesus is the word.  The bible is not God.

Are we to follow a religion, a construct of man, or,,, are we to follow Jesus.

 

[cole256 17,085]

On 2/19/2023 at 11:24 AM, Son of A Tiger said:

What other CEO of a charity  puts boots on the ground in places where tragedy has occurred to support their amazing capabilities in the name of Jesus?

https://samaritanspurse.org/article/franklin-graham-sees-emergency-field-hospital-in-turkey/?&utm_source=SPFacebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=m_YTUR-23SM&utm_co

Just pretend it's Deion Sanders the head of it.....I'm sure you will have all the problems in the world if that was the case

[SaltyTiger 8,578]

10 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

The words of Jesus.  Jesus is the word.  The bible is not God.

Are we to follow a religion, a construct of man, or,,, are we to follow Jesus.

 

What should we read to learn the “words of Jesus”? I doubt people mistake the Bible as God. Just you being you.