aubiefifty 18,248 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, pensacolatiger said: I didn’t say left or right, just saying I see them hey you guys fudge so much sometimes i have to make sure. you damn sure do not hold your own side accountable......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolatiger 313 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 56 minutes ago, icanthearyou said: This country spends more on welfare for the wealthy than for the poor, the needy. Those programs aren't the problem. The poor didn't put us in debt. Actually, the poor are putting us further into debt. This year 49% of the fed govt costs were related to healthcare and ss. https://federalbudgetinpictures.com/where-does-all-the-money-go/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolatiger 313 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, aubiefifty said: hey you guys fudge so much sometimes i have to make sure. you damn sure do not hold your own side accountable......... You throw out “you guys” a lot, but I disagree with most republicans in office right now. I’m so far right, I despise the RINO’s as much as the socialists on the left side of the aisle. I want a small fed govt that defers to the states on 99% of topics, as we were created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creed 1,790 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, pensacolatiger said: Actually, the poor are putting us further into debt. This year 49% of the fed govt costs were related to healthcare and ss. https://federalbudgetinpictures.com/where-does-all-the-money-go/ Not sure if this is related but SS and Medicare are funded by our taxes thoughout our working career and returned to us in retirement. Now if the government is not managing those funds appropriately then that's another story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 18,248 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, pensacolatiger said: You throw out “you guys” a lot, but I disagree with most republicans in office right now. I’m so far right, I despise the RINO’s as much as the socialists on the left side of the aisle. I want a small fed govt that defers to the states on 99% of topics, as we were created. the thing that bothers me is you come across as not giving a damn about the poor. and if you do i got no use for you. only the mighty and righteous of heart will try to look out for those less fortunate. i am pretty sure god said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolatiger 313 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, creed said: Not sure if this is related but SS and Medicare are funded by our taxes thoughout our working career and returned to us in retirement. Now if the government is not managing those funds appropriately then that's another story. Mismanaging is an understatement. But, this government was never intended to fulfill those roles, so it’s not surprising to see them fail as they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolatiger 313 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, aubiefifty said: the thing that bothers me is you come across as not giving a damn about the poor. and if you do i got no use for you. only the mighty and righteous of heart will try to look out for those less fortunate. i am pretty sure god said that. I think you’re leaning on your perspective of the right in general. In truth, I volunteer at the local food pantry, tithe to multiple food pantries, and enjoy looking for more creative tithing opportunities. I want the federal govt to get the eff out of my way to allow us to do more. for example, we own land in a small rural county near us. We donated 50% of their food pantry income for the year (that may sound like a brag, but it’s a pretty poor county so it wasn’t hard to get to 50%). If the federal govt would have allowed us to tithe to that program instead of fed income tax last year, we could have funded that program for 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 18,248 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 Just now, pensacolatiger said: I think you’re leaning on your perspective of the right in general. In truth, I volunteer at the local food pantry, tithe to multiple food pantries, and enjoy looking for more creative tithing opportunities. I want the federal govt to get the eff out of my way to allow us to do more. for example, we own land in a small rural county near us. We donated 50% of their food pantry income for the year (that may sound like a brag, but it’s a pretty poor county so it wasn’t hard to get to 50%). If the federal govt would have allowed us to tithe to that program instead of fed income tax last year, we could have funded that program for 4 years that is outstanding! i have no problem giving credit for this at all. hell i even think better of you. i was raised by a single mom because my dad abandoned us. it was only once but we had one pack of cookies to eat to get us by for four days. maybe five. dad never paid child support. i donate food all the time. if a an addict approaches me at a burger joint for change but refuse but i tell them all i will buy them a combo meal. i toted blind folks around for over ten years free. beside normal work i was in a few bands and we played free shows for different charities. but anyway thanx for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolatiger 313 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, aubiefifty said: that is outstanding! i have no problem giving credit for this at all. hell i even think better of you. i was raised by a single mom because my dad abandoned us. it was only once but we had one pack of cookies to eat to get us by for four days. maybe five. dad never paid child support. i donate food all the time. if a an addict approaches me at a burger joint for change but refuse but i tell them all i will buy them a combo meal. i toted blind folks around for over ten years free. beside normal work i was in a few bands and we played free shows for different charities. but anyway thanx for sharing. That’s awesome man, many folks on the right want to help. We just disagree on who needs to do the helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,468 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 45 minutes ago, pensacolatiger said: Actually, the poor are putting us further into debt. This year 49% of the fed govt costs were related to healthcare and ss. https://federalbudgetinpictures.com/where-does-all-the-money-go/ True but,,, we have employment taxes for that specific purpose. The federal government is in debt to the SS trust fund. So, you are wrong. The poor are not the problem. And again, this country spends more on corporate welfare and welfare for the rich than on the truly needy. The poor are NOT the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolatiger 313 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 4 hours ago, icanthearyou said: True but,,, we have employment taxes for that specific purpose. The federal government is in debt to the SS trust fund. So, you are wrong. The poor are not the problem. And again, this country spends more on corporate welfare and welfare for the rich than on the truly needy. The poor are NOT the problem. The federal government is incapable of supporting welfare and healthcare, hence the current deficit. Not to mention the additional entitlement programs. Our government structure was never intended to manage such programs and assets, but since the pot is so big everyone thinks It’s infinite. Not to mention, it inflates the size of our federal government which opposes the very concept this country was founded on. If states want to create social welfare programs, that should be their decision and process. Let me ask you, what happens when the recipients outnumber the earners in this country? What will people vote for then? Because we are getting close……. the church’s job is to provide support to the poor. We as Christians should be blessed with the opportunity to help and not forfeit 40% of our wages to some federal demigod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolatiger 313 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 4 hours ago, icanthearyou said: True but,,, we have employment taxes for that specific purpose. The federal government is in debt to the SS trust fund. So, you are wrong. The poor are not the problem. And again, this country spends more on corporate welfare and welfare for the rich than on the truly needy. The poor are NOT the problem. Regarding corporate welfare, I’m not opposed to companies paying more but we have to be competitive globally to keep business domestic. The current federal structure has become so large and manipulated, lobbyists will always win. No one is lobbying for the people. So yes, the poor are a problem when you have a $31T deficit, people stacking more must haves on the federal government, and people wanting open borders with more demand on the pot. Taxing the wealthy more is a bandaid on a complex problem that requires systemic changes to resolve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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