AUinMS9528 1,086 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Yes we could and should. This team and coaching staff has nothing to lose at this point. But I seriously doubt we’ll see any significant changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,191 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Didba said: Coaches should have had an RPO/quick passing attack ready to go in case Finely got hurt. We have to mitigate the OL by going some sort of air raid/quick passing attack Exactly what i said after the Penn State game. Even with TJ this needs to be a quick passing offense. This is like some Madden 101 type knowledge! 3-4 seconds ball needs to be gone. And what angers me so much that we're not doing it is the fact we have play makers for it to work. We have speedy RBs and WRs that have shown ability get yards after the catch. USE THEM! Spread the defense out. 4 WRs. Keep the defense guessing. This isn't hard! They just refuse to change. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,529 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Viper said: Kellen Moore had two tremendous WRs to throw to in Young & Pettis, so yes, he threw for a ton of yards in 2010. But Martin & Avery combined for over 1700 yards running mostly between the tackles that same season. Boise coaches love the 1-back, 2-TE (or 1 TE, 1 slot WR) stretch run play. 1 hour ago, Viper said: Kellen Moore had two tremendous WRs to throw to in Young & Pettis, so yes, he threw for a ton of yards in 2010. But Martin & Avery combined for over 1700 yards running mostly between the tackles that same season. Boise coaches love the 1-back, 2-TE (or 1 TE, 1 slot WR) stretch run play. I would characterize a typical BSU offense as being wide open. My youngest son did his freshman year at BSU in 2015 and we attended a game there against Hawaii -- Harsin as HC with B. Rypian as QB. BSU threw it all over the field, short/medium & long, to the WR, slot, TE & RBs. 49-0 at halftime. All the time I was thinking 'geez, how come AU can't ever do likewise? What's the problem?' Whatever putrid offense we're witnessing at AU this year is in no way representative of what I've seen at BSU in the past. If a like comparison is needed, I'd say it looks very much like Malzahn-ball. I know what many here are thinking: "No way! It's worse!" And to that I'll say, you won't find me arguing because I'm not enough of a connoisseur to be able to distinguish between 2 separate steaming piles of dog crap. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle-1 3,821 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, AUloggerhead said: I would characterize a typical BSU offense as being wide open. My youngest son did his freshman year at BSU in 2015 and we attended a game there against Hawaii -- Harsin as HC with B. Rypian as QB. BSU threw it all over the field, short/medium & long, to the WR, slot, TE & RBs. 49-0 at halftime. All the time I was thinking 'geez, how come AU can't ever do likewise? What's the problem?' Whatever putrid offense we're witnessing at AU this year is in no way representative of what I've seen at BSU in the past. If a like comparison is needed, I'd say it looks very much like Malzahn-ball. I know what many here are thinking: "No way! It's worse!" And to that I'll say, you won't find me arguing because I'm not enough of a connoisseur to be able to distinguish between 2 separate steaming piles of dog crap. A bad offensive line will make you look like an idiot just as fast as a good OL will make you look like a genius. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 3,537 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 53 minutes ago, AUloggerhead said: I would characterize a typical BSU offense as being wide open. My youngest son did his freshman year at BSU in 2015 and we attended a game there against Hawaii -- Harsin as HC with B. Rypian as QB. BSU threw it all over the field, short/medium & long, to the WR, slot, TE & RBs. 49-0 at halftime. All the time I was thinking 'geez, how come AU can't ever do likewise? What's the problem?' Whatever putrid offense we're witnessing at AU this year is in no way representative of what I've seen at BSU in the past. If a like comparison is needed, I'd say it looks very much like Malzahn-ball. I know what many here are thinking: "No way! It's worse!" And to that I'll say, you won't find me arguing because I'm not enough of a connoisseur to be able to distinguish between 2 separate steaming piles of dog crap. Our offense is comparable to Petersen’s and Harsin’s at Boise because they did both throw frequently and run the stretch. We currently don’t have the QB, OL or WRs or the putrid Mountain West defenses to face to do it as successfully as it was done at Boise. Period. Harsin’s prob is he refuses to adapt and incorporate a perimeter game because his offense is all he’s ever known. He has the TEs to assist in blocking and receiving, but rarely uses them. Shenker should be averaging 8-10 targets/game as he clearly has the best hands on the team by a mile. Plus TEs are always available within 5-10 yards, but nope, not going to take advantage of his receiving skills. Gus wouldn’t be able to do much with this OL either. But I know one thing he would do and that’s use Ashford and Tank much like he used Marshall and Mason with the zone read. Wouldn’t be close to as successful, but Gus was at least decent at adapting given what he had to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotsAU 1,390 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 10:49 AM, milehighfan said: With the pathetic OL Auburn has right now it's not going to matter what offense you run. This OL is more offensive than off-senive. Not necessarily true. Quick passing routes negate pass rush. If your offensive line isn’t pass or run blocking well, you have to rely on screens, slants and shallow crossing routes. Some of the posters above have it right. With this OL, we need to go to a more Mike Leach like passing game. But the coaches are being stubborn, and trying to run the offense the way they prefer to run it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehighfan 1,254 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 4:15 PM, Eagle-1 said: A bad offensive line will make you look like an idiot just as fast as a good OL will make you look like a genius. Amen to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
au701948 1,067 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, ScotsAU said: Not necessarily true. Quick passing routes negate pass rush. If your offensive line isn’t pass or run blocking well, you have to rely on screens, slants and shallow crossing routes. Some of the posters above have it right. With this OL, we need to go to a more Mike Leach like passing game. But the coaches are being stubborn, and trying to run the offense the way they prefer to run it. They are for sure a stubborn bunch of coaches. That’s not good in our current situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,976 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 We have a plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTAU 3,594 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 12 hours ago, alexava said: We have a plan? We do. But apparently only like two guys know what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meh130 1,057 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Quick passes to the WRs: Bubble screens, quick outs, quick slants. Quick passes to the RBs: Flats, wheel routes. Please make this happen Saturday. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meh130 1,057 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 6:18 PM, Viper said: Our offense is comparable to Petersen’s and Harsin’s at Boise because they did both throw frequently and run the stretch. We currently don’t have the QB, OL or WRs or the putrid Mountain West defenses to face to do it as successfully as it was done at Boise. Period. Harsin’s prob is he refuses to adapt and incorporate a perimeter game because his offense is all he’s ever known. He has the TEs to assist in blocking and receiving, but rarely uses them. Shenker should be averaging 8-10 targets/game as he clearly has the best hands on the team by a mile. Plus TEs are always available within 5-10 yards, but nope, not going to take advantage of his receiving skills. Gus wouldn’t be able to do much with this OL either. But I know one thing he would do and that’s use Ashford and Tank much like he used Marshall and Mason with the zone read. Wouldn’t be close to as successful, but Gus was at least decent at adapting given what he had to work with. This is correct. Our OL is simply bad a zone blocking, and we need alternatives. That quick pitch to Tank worked because the TE had the angle on the Edge defender, and the OT pulled and provided a lead block. Our OL needs plays that give angles, which inside zone, wide zone, and outside zone do not provide. But, zone options provide a numbers advantage. Our goal has to be to get players with the ball in the C and D gaps, i.e., outside of the OT. I would go with a 3 WR, TE as wing-back or sniffer, and attack the edge with inside zone read option, quick pitch, WR bubble screen, pass in the flat, WR tunnel screens, etc. Also consider WR jet sweep type plays. Attack the edge outside of the OT. Far outside of the OT, if possible. Also do the same with 4 WR sets. Even do the WRs extra wide or stacked. Force the defense to put multiple defenders on the perimeter. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscle Shoals Tiger 147 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 10:19 AM, Mikey said: To me, the basis of this entire mess rests with the head coach and coordinators. They have not devised schemes that help our players succeed. Their offensive and defensive schemes should try to emphasize our team strengths and hide the weakness. I don't see any of that. I think they are trying to jam a round peg (players) into a square hole (their preferred systems). A good coaching staff adjusts their plans to fit the talent available, not vice-versa. Best analogy I have heard. Great post! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
au302 2,669 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 3:54 PM, AUloggerhead said: I would characterize a typical BSU offense as being wide open. My youngest son did his freshman year at BSU in 2015 and we attended a game there against Hawaii -- Harsin as HC with B. Rypian as QB. BSU threw it all over the field, short/medium & long, to the WR, slot, TE & RBs. 49-0 at halftime. All the time I was thinking 'geez, how come AU can't ever do likewise? What's the problem?' Whatever putrid offense we're witnessing at AU this year is in no way representative of what I've seen at BSU in the past. If a like comparison is needed, I'd say it looks very much like Malzahn-ball. I know what many here are thinking: "No way! It's worse!" And to that I'll say, you won't find me arguing because I'm not enough of a connoisseur to be able to distinguish between 2 separate steaming piles of dog crap. This is what puzzles me. I've watched a lot of Boise highlights over the years. Obviously, they were probably the most talented team in the MWC and the D's they faced weren't great; however, it was always a fun and creative offense to watch. Really, just a good scheme and a well-coached offense out there. And whether we like it or not, CBH was arguably the brainchild behind it during their glory years, under Coach Pete as OC and then as HC. Now watching him he looks like a total dumb-ass out there with this offense. There's almost a part of me wondering if he forgot how to coach offense on the plane ride over. I no longer think he's the man for the job, but I also find it hard to fathom that he went from such a bright offensive mind and play-caller to a joke overnight that has zero clue how to scheme. Thus, I am tempted to believe this is a personnel issue, which still falls mostly on him, of course, for not bringing in more portal guys to fit his scheme a little better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aucanucktiger 1,896 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I think a lot of folks forget Malzahn as OC utterly changed the O scheme 4 games into 2010 season. He had been playing Cam like Urban Myth had at UF but realized Cam's once-in-a-generation talents and built an O around him thereafter. Heck wishbone Dye took an entire season to realize the O needed to be schemed for Bo. Not sure we have a star that warrants changing the scheme and looks like extremely poor execution (especially blocking) more than scheme IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank2020 3,381 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 15 hours ago, au302 said: This is what puzzles me. I've watched a lot of Boise highlights over the years. Obviously, they were probably the most talented team in the MWC and the D's they faced weren't great; however, it was always a fun and creative offense to watch. Really, just a good scheme and a well-coached offense out there. And whether we like it or not, CBH was arguably the brainchild behind it during their glory years, under Coach Pete as OC and then as HC. Now watching him he looks like a total dumb-ass out there with this offense. There's almost a part of me wondering if he forgot how to coach offense on the plane ride over. I no longer think he's the man for the job, but I also find it hard to fathom that he went from such a bright offensive mind and play-caller to a joke overnight that has zero clue how to scheme. Thus, I am tempted to believe this is a personnel issue, which still falls mostly on him, of course, for not bringing in more portal guys to fit his scheme a little better. His offenses need 2 things, good Accurate QB and time from Ol, we have neither. Without this not very effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meh130 1,057 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Watching the USCe -SC State game. SC State just ran a shotgun veer play. Two RBs in the backfield. Inside zone read to one RB. The play would have had the other ARB trail the QB on the QB keep as a pitch option. The first read caused the QB to hand the ball off to RB1, but it clearly was a veer option. Put Robby, Tank, and Hunter in the backfield and run this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuscAUse! 1,688 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 20 hours ago, au302 said: This is what puzzles me. I've watched a lot of Boise highlights over the years. Obviously, they were probably the most talented team in the MWC and the D's they faced weren't great; however, it was always a fun and creative offense to watch. Really, just a good scheme and a well-coached offense out there. And whether we like it or not, CBH was arguably the brainchild behind it during their glory years, under Coach Pete as OC and then as HC. Now watching him he looks like a total dumb-ass out there with this offense. There's almost a part of me wondering if he forgot how to coach offense on the plane ride over. I no longer think he's the man for the job, but I also find it hard to fathom that he went from such a bright offensive mind and play-caller to a joke overnight that has zero clue how to scheme. Thus, I am tempted to believe this is a personnel issue, which still falls mostly on him, of course, for not bringing in more portal guys to fit his scheme a little better. This. And what Mikey said. I know we don't have the Jimmy's and Joe's , but does anyone here believe for one second that this same bunch of players would look like this if Saban, Freeze, Kiffen, Kelly, Kirby, Mark Stoops, or the Coach at Kansas had the same players for one spring and summer? Add the coaches at any program in the top 30 and tell me who would look this bad. I will post this and eat major crow if he wins 3 more games. And I was a fan. He talked like Dye and Saban , coaches like ......idk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnell 600 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 9:41 AM, gr82b4au said: Is that possible ? Is there a way that we can actually run the triple option or the offense that Gus ran in 2013? Or screens or slants? RA is not build for this current scheme at all. With no offensive line, it has to change right??? You are talking about a scheme vs game p Lan. Game plans actually change weekly based on the opponent. The scheme as you are talking about is almost impossible to change during the season. In fact, most coaching changes that happened during the season the new coaches keep the scheme and manages changes through the game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr82b4au 5,583 Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 This game plan is completely different. No more 12 formation. They are running four wide!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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