Climate Control Corruption....Follow The Money

[Tigermike 3,744]

"Special Presidential Envoy for Climate (SPEC) John Kerry's office participated in multiple discussions with left-wing environmental groups that appeared to inform policymaking decisions, according to emails shared with Fox News Digital."

 

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[CoffeeTiger 5,914]

This is how legislation is crafted. 

You consult groups and industries involved in the area you are crafting the legislation about because people in congress cant and aren't experts in most things they are making laws or passing budgets about. 

 

 

 

[Tigermike 3,744]

4 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

This is how legislation is crafted. 

You consult groups and industries involved in the area you are crafting the legislation about because people in congress cant and aren't experts in most things they are making laws or passing budgets about. 

 

 

 

True but in this case Kerry limited his "consulting" to left wing environmental groups and didn't consult the industries involved.  Well those environmental groups are an industry aren't they.

[Didba 5,511]

16 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

This is how legislation is crafted. 

You consult groups and industries involved in the area you are crafting the legislation about because people in congress cant and aren't experts in most things they are making laws or passing budgets about. 

 

 

 

I was just about to say this. Nothing burger. Typical Fox News BS that their base takes hook, line and sinker bc they don’t know any better. 

[CoffeeTiger 5,914]

29 minutes ago, Tigermike said:

True but in this case Kerry limited his "consulting" to left wing environmental groups and didn't consult the industries involved.  Well those environmental groups are an industry aren't they.

 

Kerry's position is specifically made for combating and mitigating climate change. Environmental groups are the natural groups for him to meet and consult with in regards to the climate. 

Kerry's office isn't supposed to advocate for "both sides" or protect the economic interests of the oil and coal companies...his position's purpose is fighting climate change. The oil and gas companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars in "donations" and lobbying in Washington to advocate for and protect their own interests. Much more than these climate groups spend on influencing our government. 

I assure you the oil and gas conglomerates are making their cases very well known to the administration and lawmakers. They aren't being silenced. 

 

Go ahead and "follow the money" and investigate and prosecute any corruption or crimes you uncover, but I'm not seeing anything in this story that suggest any wrongdoing in the least by Kerry or the administration. 

 

 

 

 

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[homersapien 12,262]

I find it telling - and somewhat satisfying - that conservatives are so ready to admit that anyone concerned about our environment is "leftist or liberal" by definition.

Modern conservatism as defined by the Republican party has clearly rejected the environment as a legitimate topic of interest, which is somewhat ironic considering their legacy of environmental activism reflected by Teddy Roosevelt and even Nixon (EPA).

It's ultimately a losing position, which is good for everyone, even if bad for them.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

2 hours ago, Tigermike said:

True but in this case Kerry limited his "consulting" to left wing environmental groups and didn't consult the industries involved.  Well those environmental groups are an industry aren't they.

Correct.  We should NEVER listen to any group other than the fossil fuel lobby.  These "environmentalists" are just trying to pad their billions of dollars in quarterly profits.  They have far too much power. 

Fox News, the substitute for critical thinking.  One side is always right, the other side is always wrong.  It's just that easy. 

[jj3jordan 2,172]

3 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

Kerry's position is specifically made for combating and mitigating climate change. Environmental groups are the natural groups for him to meet and consult with in regards to the climate. 

Kerry's office isn't supposed to advocate for "both sides" or protect the economic interests of the oil and coal companies...his position's purpose is fighting climate change. The oil and gas companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars in "donations" and lobbying in Washington to advocate for and protect their own interests. Much more than these climate groups spend on influencing our government. 

I assure you the oil and gas conglomerates are making their cases very well known to the administration and lawmakers. They aren't being silenced. 

 

Go ahead and "follow the money" and investigate and prosecute any corruption or crimes you uncover, but I'm not seeing anything in this story that suggest any wrongdoing in the least by Kerry or the administration. 

 

 

 

 

Kerry works closely with the Uighurs. They are the slaves fabricating his solar panels up there in northwest China. So he’s not out there without some teammates and consultants.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

4 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Kerry works closely with the Uighurs. They are the slaves fabricating his solar panels up there in northwest China. So he’s not out there without some teammates and consultants.

Are you "swift boating" or, can you cite facts?

[Tigermike 3,744]

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Correct.  We should NEVER listen to any group other than the fossil fuel lobby.  These "environmentalists" are just trying to pad their billions of dollars in quarterly profits.  They have far too much power. 

Fox News, the substitute for critical thinking.  One side is always right, the other side is always wrong.  It's just that easy. 

And who else in the MSM will report on this?

[Tigermike 3,744]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

I find it telling - and somewhat satisfying - that conservatives are so ready to admit that anyone concerned about our environment is "leftist or liberal" by definition.

Modern conservatism as defined by the Republican party has clearly rejected the environment as a legitimate topic of interest, which is somewhat ironic considering their legacy of environmental activism reflected by Teddy Roosevelt and even Nixon (EPA).

It's ultimately a losing position, which is good for everyone, even if bad for them.

I find it telling that democrats are led and pushed by communist and socialist.  AOC and Bernie Sanders the future of the DNC.

[jj3jordan 2,172]

34 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Are you "swift boating" or, can you cite facts?

About what? That the Uighurs are building solar panels for us in China?  That’s not unknown to anybody who listens up. Kerry doesn’t care about it as long as it furthers his cause.  Just park for the course for the limo liberals.

[wdefromtx 3,636]

37 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Are you "swift boating" or, can you cite facts?

Quick google search showed how Kerry is tied into the Uyghurs. 

[Didba 5,511]

1 hour ago, Tigermike said:

And who else in the MSM will report on this?

If there is any foundation or concern to the claims, AP and PBS.

[Didba 5,511]

1 hour ago, Tigermike said:

I find it telling that democrats are led and pushed by communist and socialist-democrats.  AOC and Bernie Sanders the future of the DNC.

Uh, wrong on the communist point as there have never been true communists within the democrat party. I'd love for you to cite me some credible/academic papers that show otherwise.

As per the democratic-socialists, you are correct that they are in the party, incorrect that they lead and push the party.  The socialist/progressive contingent of the democrat party is small compared to the moderate left centrists. 

As for you second sentence I hope they are they are the future of the party but I doubt it.

Source: my Political Science degree, and the plethora of research/academic writing I had to do on these exact subjects to get my degree from Auburn.

 

Also, it's such BS that you cannot ignore a Mod on this site. 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Didba

[autigeremt 7,240]

U.S. Effort to Combat Forced Labor Targets Corporate China Ties - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

This whole Climate Change initiative is based on making money with a sprinkle or two of a real desire to positively effect the environment. Environmental groups (like the ones I have been a part of for over 10 years) are being fed a lot of garbage by the elites on this issue. My opinion. 

[icanthearyou 4,468]

1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

Quick google search showed how Kerry is tied into the Uyghurs. 

So you have no evidence.

[wdefromtx 3,636]

12 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

So you have no evidence.

Why do I need evidence? You asked him for evidence, I decided to look for myself.

Not my job to provide you with evidence about his claim, that is between you and him. 

[icanthearyou 4,468]

2 hours ago, Tigermike said:

I find it telling that democrats are led and pushed by communist and socialist.  AOC and Bernie Sanders the future of the DNC.

This country has never been less "socialistic".   The majority of "welfare" is going to the wealthy.

If socialism is one end of the spectrum and, fascism is the other, which one would be of greater concern?

[icanthearyou 4,468]

15 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Why do I need evidence? You asked him for evidence, I decided to look for myself.

Not my job to provide you with evidence about his claim, that is between you and him. 

So you have no evidence.

[Didba 5,511]

17 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

This country has never been less "socialistic".   The majority of "welfare" is going to the wealthy.

If socialism is one end of the spectrum and, fascism is the other, which one would be of greater concern?

Technically, Socialism isn't even one end of the spectrum, communism is.

Check out this chart I pulled from this paper:

24375-the-theory-of-the-political-spectrum.pdf

Edited August 24, 2022 by Didba

[wdefromtx 3,636]

6 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

So you have no evidence.

I do, it is in a tab open in my browser. 

[Didba 5,511]

1 minute ago, wdefromtx said:

I do, it is in a tab open in my browser. 

Okay post it then chief.

[wdefromtx 3,636]

10 minutes ago, Didba said:

Technically, Socialism isn't even one end of the spectrum, communism is.

Check out this chart I pulled from this paper:

24375-the-theory-of-the-political-spectrum.pdfUnavailable

So it is the left the fascist ones.........interesting, LMAO

[Didba 5,511]

5 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

So it is the left the fascist ones.........interesting, LMAO

Yeah, communism and fascism are both totalitarian regimes, not "the left" though as you posit it, very narrow minded way of thinking.  If you go far enough left or right on the political scale you end up with totalitarianism/fascism.

 

I'll pull another chart from the paper to show you.  Also, if you look at the scales and interpret them its a little more than just left and right being graded on this chart it is economic freedom vs individual freedoms.

Edited August 24, 2022 by Didba