10-year-old rape victim denied abortion after Roe v Wade overturn

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2 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

The 10 year old could have gotten an abortion in Ohio because it threatened her life.

Oh? Who determines that? 

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1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

They ought to specify age in the statute. It’s not at all clear and it requires doctors to make a judgment call and face a prosecutor with a different opinion. The AG said it after the fact. If we don’t want to risk children having babies, the legislature needs to spell that out.

There it is.  

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1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

 

Most insufferable people on earth. 

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50 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Most insufferable people on earth. 

People from Indiana or AGs? 😉

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The guy who drafted the law clarifies there’s no exception for 10 year olds who’ve been raped:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/14/anti-abotion-10-year-old-ohio-00045843

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This is sickening. Imagine reading a headline about how a group of people were actively trying everything in their power to see that a 10... ten... year old girl is forced to have birth after getting rape. That poor girl is going to have PTSD for the rest of her life after seeing the scorn and hate she received for seeking proper care. 

Imagine this being your own daughter. It doesn't have to be this way. It can't be this way. Imagine the course of your life changed permanently just because people think you have to produce babies.

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Meanwhile, in Gilead:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/14/texas-sues-biden-administration-over-abortion-rule.html

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1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

The guy who drafted the law clarifies there’s no exception for 10 year olds who’ve been raped:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/14/anti-abotion-10-year-old-ohio-00045843

@TitanTiger is this what you envisioned? Your thoughts?

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21 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

@TitanTiger is this what you envisioned? Your thoughts?

No.  For one, I've always said that there should be exceptions for the life or permanent health of the mother.  And while I don't really think killing the unborn child is the right way to make things right or just after a rape (the one being punished didn't do anything wrong), I can't imagine that many 10 year-olds could carry a child to full term and be able to deliver it safely (the pelvis just isn't wide enough to deliver a full-term baby usually until the late teens I believe) or possibly even carry it full term. 

And all that said, I've also repeatedly admitted that from a pragmatic standpoint, given that less that 3% of abortion occur because of rape, incest and the life/health of the mother combined I would gladly make that tradeoff to save the lives of the overwhelming majority of babies lost to elective abortion.

Neither allowing abortion on demand, nor writing laws that have zero exceptions are the proper answer.

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Story keeps getting weirder by the day.  Looks like the rapist was the Mom's boyfriend, and she's defending him.  Maybe we have a child trafficking case.

 

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22 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Before the story got confirmed, the Ohio AG weighed in and said Ohio's abortion law exception would allow the 10 year old to obtain an abortion.

Imo, this case would apply for both (F) and (K) as a medical emergency. A 10 year old is not developed enough to carry an unborn child. An abortion would be safer than a 10 year old trying to give birth.

To wit

 

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We warned you. 

Now that we're at the end of all hypotheticals and Fox News has put what amounts to a hit on this doctor, what do y'all have to say for yourselves? 

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3 hours ago, Cardin Drake said:

Story keeps getting weirder by the day.  Looks like the rapist was the Mom's boyfriend, and she's defending him.  Maybe we have a child trafficking case.

 

 

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56 minutes ago, AUDub said:

We warned you. 

Now that we're at the end of all hypotheticals and Fox News has put what amounts to a hit on this doctor, what do y'all have to say for yourselves? 

They’re going to perform a disappearing act and just pretend this type of situation doesn’t really happen. 

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26 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

They’re going to perform a disappearing act and just pretend this type of situation doesn’t really happen. 

"Only 3%!"

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On 7/13/2022 at 9:45 PM, TexasTiger said:

 

If Dr. Caitlin Benard did anything wrong, it appears that she lied(maybe what she was told by the 10 year old's mother) when she filed a report that the alleged rapist was 17 years old.

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The Guatemalan illegal immigrant charged with raping and impregnating an Ohio 10-year-old who traveled to Indiana for an abortion was listed as a minor in the report the Indiana-based abortionist sent to authorities. 

Dr. Caitlin Bernard reported that the alleged rapist was approximately 17-years-old in an official filing to the Indiana Department of Health obtained Thursday by Fox News Digital. On Wednesday, Ohio authorities charged 27-year-old Gerson Fuentes, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala, with rape of a minor under 13 years old in the case.

Fuentes confessed to the crime to Columbus Police Department investigators, Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost said in a statement Wednesday.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-10-year-old-alleged-illegal-immigrant-rapist-27-listed-minor-abortionists-report-state

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16 hours ago, AUDub said:

 

I don't think that is the point of the townhall post at all. Pretty much the opposite point. Is this mother fit? Where is CPS? Why was this child sent back into this home with the rapist still there? Why did it take so long to arrest him?  If the mother's boyfriend didn't do it as the mother now contends, who did?  Is the child being trafficked?

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13 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

If Dr. Caitlin Benard did anything wrong, it appears that she lied(maybe what she was told by the 10 year old's mother) when she filed a report that the alleged rapist was 17 years old.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-10-year-old-alleged-illegal-immigrant-rapist-27-listed-minor-abortionists-report-state

So isn't this just proving the post I made earlier that you "disliked" where I said doctors will be discouraged from performing even "technically legal" abortions in Conservative/Republican States because of the risk of Republican politicians going after them anyway to make a statement?

The Republican Indiana AG is essentially saying he's going to investigate everything about the doctor and look for any reason whatsoever to charge this doctor with a crime as punishment for her performing the abortion and for this becoming a national story. 

 

Women in Republican states will die and suffer because of the fear of prosecution and harassments that doctors (rightfully) believe they might face for performing what should be considered legal abortions. 

Edited July 15, 2022 by CoffeeTiger

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17 hours ago, AUDub said:

"Only 3%!"

Yeah, but to the girl/woman at issue, it's 100%.

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Ohio's AG David Yost would be a deciding factor in how the state would adjudicate an abortion case. He made his position clear in regards to the law. The AG cited the exceptions in the law that would have applied to this case.

Contrast the Ohio AG's public comments vs the Indiana AG's public comments. If Yost thought the case wouldn't have applied, he would have already stated it. But even before the story was confirmed, Yost stated that the 10 year old would have been allowed to have an abortion based on the information.

With the media reporting evidence to refute Indiana's AG's crusade against the doctor, there's been nothing reported to refute Yost's comments about exceptions that would have applied in Ohio allowing the abortion, other than opinion's like Ken White's that AUDub posted.

Did a doctor in Ohio involved in this case reach out to Yost's office to see if exceptions would have applied? The OP article and every article reporting on the story so far has the same wording: 'The 10 year old was denied an abortion in Ohio' but no article ever identifies a hospital or doctor in Ohio. The only doctor that was identified by name in the story is the Indiana doctor Caitlin Bernard.

There has also been no mention of a report made by any doctor in Ohio. The NYPost article posted earlier in this thread noted that no outlet had confirmed any report made by a doctor in Ohio:

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On July 1, the Indianapolis Star reported that a local OB-GYN, Dr. Caitlin Bernard, had been contacted four days earlier by an Ohio “child abuse doctor” who told Bernard that they had just seen a 10-year-old patient who was six weeks and three days pregnant.

According to the story, that meant the girl was three days too late to obtain an abortion under Ohio’s new law, which went into effect following the Supreme Court’s June 24 decision overturning Roe v. Wade.

The Star reported that Bernard took responsibility for the girl’s care, but did not specify whether the child underwent an abortion or any other procedure. The outlet also did not identify the doctor who told Bernard about the case and Bernard appeared to be the only source for the story.

Under Ohio law, physicians are required to report any case of known or suspected child abuse or neglect, including “suffering any physical or mental wound [or] injury.” 

If, as Yost claims, law enforcement has no knowledge of a rape case involving a 10-year-old girl, that suggests that either the Ohio doctor violated state law by not reporting the crime or Bernard fabricated the incident to a credulous reporter.

“We don’t know who the originating doctor in Ohio was, if they even exist,” Yost told Watters on Monday night. “But the bottom line is, it is a crime — if you’re a mandated reporter — to fail to report.”

https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/ohio-ag-unaware-of-reported-rape-victim-10-who-had-abortion/

 

The only report currently known that was made in Ohio was made on June 22 to the police in Columbus, Ohio. The IndyStar article indicates it was a referral by Franklin County Children Services made by the mother and that's how it was reported to police. The doctor in Ohio who contacted Bernard on June 27 is not identified.

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Timeline

June 22: Police in Columbus, Ohio, are made aware of the girl's rape through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother, according to police.

June 24: U.S. Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade. An Ohio law restricting abortions when fetal cardiac activity is detectable goes into effect.

June 27: Bernard receives call from a child abuse doctor in Ohio seeking an abortion for a 10-year-old who had been raped, according to what Bernard previously told IndyStar.

June 30: Abortion is performed.

July 2: Bernard files the required "terminated pregnancy form" with the Indiana Department of Health and the Department of Children Services.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2022/07/14/ohio-abortion-10-year-old-indiana-todd-rokita-dr-caitlin-bernard/65373626007/

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12 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Ohio's AG David Yost would be a deciding factor in how the state would adjudicate an abortion case. He made his position clear in regards to the law. The AG cited the exceptions in the law that would have applied to this case.

Contrast the Ohio AG's public comments vs the Indiana AG's public comments. If Yost thought the case wouldn't have applied, he would have already stated it. But even before the story was confirmed, Yost stated that the 10 year old would have been allowed to have an abortion based on the information.

With the media reporting evidence to refute Indiana's AG's crusade against the doctor, there's been nothing reported to refute Yost's comments about exceptions that would have applied in Ohio allowing the abortion, other than opinion's like Ken White's that AUDub posted.

Did a doctor in Ohio involved in this case reach out to Yost's office to see if exceptions would have applied? The OP article and every article reporting on the story so far has the same wording: 'The 10 year old was denied an abortion in Ohio' but no article ever identifies a hospital or doctor in Ohio. The only doctor that was identified by name in the story is the Indiana doctor Caitlin Bernard.

There has also been no mention of a report made by any doctor in Ohio. The NYPost article posted earlier in this thread noted that no outlet had confirmed any report made by a doctor in Ohio:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/ohio-ag-unaware-of-reported-rape-victim-10-who-had-abortion/

 

The only report currently known that was made in Ohio was made on June 22 to the police in Columbus, Ohio. The IndyStar article indicates it was a referral by Franklin County Children Services made by the mother and that's how it was reported to police. The doctor in Ohio who contacted Bernard on June 27 is not identified.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2022/07/14/ohio-abortion-10-year-old-indiana-todd-rokita-dr-caitlin-bernard/65373626007/

Could you please summarize whatever your point is about this in one sentence?

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13 hours ago, homersapien said:

Could you please summarize whatever your point is about this in one sentence?

The Ohio AG has stated that the 10 year old would have been allowed an abortion in Ohio because of the exemptions. There appears to have been no communication made to the AG's office by any doctor or abortion provider in Ohio to get clarification on whether the 10 year old rape victim would be allowed an abortion through the exemptions.

The Indiana doctor, Dr. Caitlin Bernard, has referenced that a child abuse doctor in Ohio contacted her on June 27 about the 10 year old rape victim.

The doctor in Ohio has not been identified. Under Ohio law, physicians are required to report suspected child abuse. So far, there's been no confirmation that any doctor in Ohio filed a report. The police in Columbus, Ohio were made aware of the rape on June 22 through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by the mother.

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The timeline is looking very puzzling.

If Franklin County Children Services knew the 10 year old needed an abortion on June 22, which was 2 days BEFORE the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, then which doctor in Ohio said the 10 year old couldn't get an abortion and waited until June 27 to contact Dr. Caitlin Bernard in Indiana?

Edited July 17, 2022 by Auburnfan91