MSNBC: 79-Year-Old Great-Grandma Among Those Involved in Ukraine Combat Training...BY NEO NAZIS

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79-Year-Old Great-Grandma Among Those Involved in Ukraine Combat Training

Watch the video. The troops doing the training are NeoNazis we may be about to fund and back and support in a war with Russia.

This is how f'ed up our foreign policy is today. And no, if trump were in office, we would be doing the same thing because we are run by idiots in DC.

Its not like we now have Al Qaeda, the last batcrap crazy bunch of radicals we funded came back to bite us in the ass.

Edited February 18, 2022 by DKW 86

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The US funded and support neo Nazi groups in the last bout of Ukraine termoil. This is nothing new. 

[DKW 86 7,538]

Did Richard Engel not know about the Azov Battalion Insignia? REALLY? There are multiple shots in the video. 

[CoffeeTiger 5,363]

So what is the correct solution here? 

Not give aid to Ukraine and just let Russia conquer it? 

Slap Russia with some worthless sanctions and otherwise not help Ukraine? 

 

This Neo-nazi group is already considered a terrorist group by the State Department so it's not like the US doesn't know about them. When a country is facing invasion and outside threats, it's not really a shocker that far-right, nationalistic people and groups like this will be one of the ones taking up arms. It's not ideal, but there isn't always a 'perfect'  foreign policy solution in many cases. 

Edited February 18, 2022 by CoffeeTiger

[DKW 86 7,538]

How about simply taking 5 minutes to research and check something out before breathlessly running into a war we absolutely can avoid if everyone could just calm down for the said five minutes 

[CoffeeTiger 5,363]

23 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

How about simply taking 5 minutes to research and check something out before breathlessly running into a war we absolutely can avoid if everyone could just calm down for the said five minutes 

 

So we're not responding to Russian aggression? 

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44 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

How about simply taking 5 minutes to research and check something out before breathlessly running into a war we absolutely can avoid if everyone could just calm down for the said five minutes 

I don't see anyone rushing to war.  All we've done is have diplomatic discussions and threaten economic sanctions if he invades.  If anything we're possibly being too passive in the face of what Putin's pulling here.

[TitanTiger 20,593]

I thought this was a good article for those trying to understand what this interest Putin/Russia has in Ukraine, and perhaps what the West should do in response to it:

What Putin Really Wants in Ukraine
Russia Seeks to Stop NATO’s Expansion, Not to Annex More Territory

By Dmitri Trenin
December 28, 2021

As 2021 came to a close, Russia presented the United States with a list of demands that it said were necessary to stave off the possibility of a large-scale military conflict in Ukraine. In a draft treaty delivered to a U.S. diplomat in Moscow, the Russian government asked for a formal halt to NATO’s eastern enlargement, a permanent freeze on further expansion of the alliance’s military infrastructure (such as bases and weapons systems) in the former Soviet territory, an end to Western military assistance to Ukraine, and a ban on intermediate-range missiles in Europe. The message was unmistakable: if these threats cannot be addressed diplomatically, the Kremlin will have to resort to military action. 

These concerns were familiar to Western policymakers, who for years have responded by arguing that Moscow does not have a veto over NATO’s decisions and that it has no grounds to demand that the West stop sending weapons to Ukraine. Until recently, Moscow grudgingly acceded to those terms. Now, however, it appears determined to follow through with countermeasures if it doesn’t get its way. That determination was reflected in how it presented the proposed treaty with the United States and a separate agreement with NATO. The tone of both missives was sharp. The West was given just a month to respond, which circumvented the possibility of prolonged and inconclusive talks. And both drafts were published almost immediately after their delivery, a move that was intended to prevent Washington from leaking and spinning the proposal.

If Russian President Vladimir Putin is acting as if he has the upper hand in this standoff, that’s because he does. According to U.S. intelligence services, Russia has nearly 100,000 troops and a great deal of heavy weaponry stationed on the Ukrainian border. The United States and other NATO countries have condemned Russia’s moves but simultaneously suggested that they will not defend Ukraine, which is not a NATO member, and have limited their threats of retaliation to sanctions. 

But Moscow’s demands are probably an opening bid, not an ultimatum. For all its insistence on a formal treaty with the United States, the Russian government no doubt understands that thanks to polarization and gridlock, ratification of any treaty in the U.S. Senate will be all but impossible. An executive agreement—essentially an accord between two governments which does not have to be ratified and thus does not have the status of a law—may therefore be a more realistic alternative. It is also likely that under such an agreement, Russia would assume reciprocal commitments addressing some U.S. concerns so as to create what it calls a “balance of interest.” 

If Putin is acting as if he has the upper hand, that’s because he does.

Specifically, the Kremlin could be satisfied if the U.S. government agreed to a formal long-term moratorium on expanding NATO and a commitment not to station intermediate-range missiles in Europe. It might also be assuaged by a separate accord between Russia and NATO that would restrict military forces and activity where their territories meet, from the Baltic to the Black Sea. 

Of course, it is an open question whether the Biden administration is willing to engage seriously with Russia. Opposition to any deal will be high in the United States because of domestic political polarization and the fact that striking a deal with Putin opens the Biden administration to criticism that it is caving to an autocrat. Opposition will also be high in Europe, where leaders will feel that a negotiated settlement between Washington and Moscow leaves them on the sidelines.   

These are all serious issues. But it’s crucial to note that Putin has presided over four waves of NATO enlargement and has had to accept Washington’s withdrawal from treaties governing anti-ballistic missiles, intermediate-range nuclear forces, and unarmed observation aircraft. For him, Ukraine is the last stand. The Russian commander-in-chief is supported by his security and military establishments and, despite the Russian public’s fear of a war, faces no domestic opposition to his foreign policy. Most importantly, he cannot afford to be seen bluffing. Biden was right not to reject Russia’s demands out of hand and to favor engagement instead. 

PUTIN’S REDLINES

There is significant asymmetry in the importance the West and Russia ascribe to Ukraine. The West did extend the prospect of NATO membership to the country in 2008, but without a formal timetable for admittance. After 2014—when Russia took over Crimea from Ukraine and began supporting pro-Russian militants in the country’s Donbas region —it became difficult to see how the U.S. government would allow Ukraine to join NATO. After all, there would be little public support in the United States for deploying troops to fight for Ukraine. Washington is saddled with a promise to Kyiv that both sides know it cannot keep. Russia, by contrast, treats Ukraine as a vital national security interest and has professed its readiness to use military force if that interest is threatened. This openness to committing troops and geographic proximity to Ukraine give Moscow an advantage over the United States and its allies. 

This does not mean a Russian invasion of Ukraine is imminent. Despite the Western media’s predilection for depicting Putin as reckless, he is in fact cautious and calculating, particularly when it comes to the use of force. Putin is not risk-averse—operations in Chechnya, Crimea, and Syria are proof of that—but in his mind, the benefit must outweigh the cost. He won’t invade Ukraine simply because of its leaders’ Western orientations.

That said, there are some scenarios that could prod the Kremlin to dispatch troops to Ukraine. In 2018, Putin publicly declared that a Ukrainian attempt to regain territory in the Donbas region by force would unleash a military response. There is historical precedence for this: in 2008, Russia responded militarily to a Georgian attack on the breakaway republic of South Ossetia. Another Russian redline is Ukraine’s accession to NATO or the placement of Western military bases and long-range weapons systems on its territory. Putin will never yield on this point. For now, however, there is almost no support from the United States and other NATO members for letting Ukraine join the alliance. In early December 2021, U.S. State Department officials told Ukraine that NATO membership for that country is unlikely to be approved in the next decade. 

Putin is cautious and calculating, particularly when it comes to the use of force.

If NATO were to build up its forces in the eastern member states, that could further militarize the new dividing line in Europe running along the western borders of Russia and Belarus. Russia could be provoked into placing more short-range missiles in Kaliningrad—the noncontiguous, westernmost part of Russia that is sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania. A closer military alliance with Belarus could put even more pressure on Ukraine. Moscow could also recognize the self-proclaimed “people’s republics” of Donetsk and Luhansk and integrate them into a new geopolitical entity with Russia and Belarus.

The geopolitical implications of these developments could reverberate beyond Europe. To counter more drastic Western economic and financial sanctions, either in anticipation of a Russian incursion into Ukraine or as a consequence of it, Moscow may need to lean on Beijing, which also finds itself under increasing U.S. pressure. Presidents Putin and Xi Jinping are already discussing financial mechanisms to protect their countries from U.S. sanctions. In that case, Putin’s scheduled visit to China for the Winter Olympics in February 2022 might turn out to be more than a courtesy call. The United States could then see the current Chinese-Russian entente turning into a tighter alliance. Economic, technological, financial, and military cooperation between the two powers would reach new levels. 

BLAME GAME

Putin’s threat to resort to force comes from his frustration with a stalled diplomatic process. The Kremlin’s effort to entice Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to strike a deal on Donbas—which seemed promising as recently as late 2019—came to naught. Zelensky, who won the presidency in a landslide running as a peace candidate, is an exceptionally erratic leader. His decision to use armed drones in Donbas in 2021 ratcheted up tensions with Moscow at a time when Ukraine could not afford to provoke its neighbor.

It’s not just Ukrainian leadership that Moscow sees as problematic. France and Germany have flubbed efforts to strike a diplomatic resolution to the Russia-Ukraine stalemate. The Europeans, who were the guarantors of the Minsk agreements of 2014 and 2015 that were supposed to bring peace to the region, had little success pushing the Ukrainians to strike a deal. German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, then foreign minister, could not even get Kyiv to accept a compromise that would have allowed for elections in the Donbas region. Last November, the Russians went so far as to publish private diplomatic correspondence between their foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, and his French and German counterparts to demonstrate how the Western powers fully sided with Ukrainian government’s stance.

And although the focus in the West has been on the Russian troop buildupnear the Ukrainian border, this came as NATO countries expanded their military activities in the Black Sea region and in Ukraine. In June, a British destroyer sailed through territorial waters off Crimea, which London does not recognize as belonging to Russia, provoking the Russians to fire in its direction. In November, a U.S. strategic bomber flew within 13 miles of the Russian border in the Black Sea region, infuriating Putin. As tensions rose, Western military advisers, instructors, arms, and ammunition poured into Ukraine. Russians also suspect that a training center the United Kingdom is constructing in Ukraine is in fact a foreign military base. Putin is particularly adamant that deploying U.S. missiles in Ukraine that can reach Moscow in five to seven minutes cannot and will not be tolerated.  

Putin’s threat to resort to force comes from his frustration with a stalled diplomatic process. 

For Russia, the escalating military threats were unmistakable. In his articles and speeches, Putin may emphasize the unity of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples, but what he cares most about is preventing NATO expansion in Ukraine. Consider what he said in March 2014 after sending forces into Crimea in response to the overthrow of Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovych. “I simply cannot imagine that we would travel to Sevastopol to visit NATO sailors,” he said of the famous Russian naval base in Crimea. “Of course, most of them are wonderful guys, but it would be better to have them come and visit us, be our guests, rather than the other way round.”

Putin’s actions suggest that his true goal is not to conquer Ukraine and absorb it into Russia but to change the post-Cold War setup in Europe’s east. That setup left Russia as a rule-taker without much say in European security, which was centered on NATO. If he manages to keep NATO out of Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova, and U.S. intermediate-range missiles out of Europe, he thinks he could repair part of the damage Russia’s security sustained after the Cold War ended. Not coincidentally, that could serve as a useful record to run on in 2024, when Putin would be up for re-election.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2021-12-28/what-putin-really-wants-ukraine

 

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56 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

I don't see anyone rushing to war.  All we've done is have diplomatic discussions and threaten economic sanctions if he invades.  If anything we're possibly being too passive in the face of what Putin's pulling here.

I disagree. The Ukrainians have said many times that the over reaction was strictly on the US side. 

[DKW 86 7,538]

1 hour ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

So we're not responding to Russian aggression? 

The Ukrainians have said we are over reacting. 

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49 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

I disagree. The Ukrainians have said many times that the over reaction was strictly on the US side. 

The Ukrainian leadership has not proven to be the most reliable.  A tad erratic.  It's hard to tell whether them saying we're overreacting is an attempt on their part to calm nerves internally and perhaps cool down tensions with Putin, or what.

The bottom line is, so far our only reaction has been to warn Putin not to invade and to threaten with economic sanctions.  It's hard for me to see either of those things as "over" anything.  About the only thing we could have done that was less of a reaction would have been to have ignored it.

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https://tass.com/world/1391813

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-war-americans-evacuated-messaging/31671180.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/1/28/ukraine-accuses-us-of-hurting-economy-by-stoking-panic-over-war

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/21/politics/us-embassy-ukraine-nonessential-personnel/index.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-28/ukraine-accuses-u-s-of-hurting-economy-by-sowing-panic-over-war

https://www.ft.com/content/4ac031ca-5329-43c2-b7f1-07c9f84d80ef

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/594636-as-feb-16-passes-by-biden-administration-pressed-on-russian-invasion

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/02/11/putin-could-attack-ukraine-on-feb-16-biden-told-allies-00008344

https://www.wionews.com/world/biden-tells-allies-russia-may-attack-ukraine-on-february-16-reports-452685

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/us-president-biden-tells-western-allies-russia-may-attack-ukraine-on-february-16-report-articleshow.html

https://theweek.com/briefing/business-briefing/1010235/10-things-you-need-to-know-today-february-16-2022

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-18/lavrov-to-meet-blinken-next-week-u-s-says-ukraine-update

US Overreaction, Biden Administration predicts Russian Invasion by February 16th, US hurting Ukrainian Economy...BLAH BLAH BLAH...

 

Edited February 19, 2022 by DKW 86

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Dont get me wrong on this. Biden has supported every single use of military force since he arrived in Washington. 

Lord knows he could use a war to lift him in the polls. I stated back in November of 2020 that I fully expected him to get us into another war in 18 months or so. 

This would be the 14th month. 

11-15-20 Anyone want to make a bet? I am predicting a small to mid-level war in the Middle East or Africa, maybe by August 2022. 
Maybe US Intervention in Yemen? But we will have troops on the ground to justify all the bombs we are going to buy from Raytheon and 
drop on Third World People. Maybe we get ISIS back? We all know it has been real good business model for the MIC.

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He believes they are going to invade soon.  They have over 100,000 troops amassed all along Ukraine's Russian border, running exercises, firing artillery into Ukrainian territory.  They took the Crimea 7 years ago.  

And we've....said we believe they are about to invade and removed embassy personnel.  There really isn't a ton of real estate between what we've done so far and ignoring it completely for us to "react less" with.

I'm not so much defending Biden's approach here as without flaw as I'm saying, our actions and words so far have been fairly tepid in the grand scheme of things.  And we haven't so much as threatened to go to war.  

 

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Well...

Russia has now officially recognized the breakaway Ukrainian Territory and has now moved it's troops across the Russian boarder into the area. 

Germany's stopping Gas authorization from Russia.

 

 

[CoffeeTiger 5,363]

On 2/18/2022 at 12:50 PM, DKW 86 said:

The Ukrainians have said we are over reacting. 

The Ukrainian President is singing a different tune this morning. 

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As shocked as I am that he finally did move, we have to realize that Putin didnt do this under trump, but did it with Biden. 

What does that mean? May mean he thinks Biden is far more accommodating than trump? it certainly means that he is not afraid of sanctions.
What does it mean that Biden was so specific in his comments about Leaving the Americans in Ukraine alone? Not hurting the Americans in the Ukraine?

Biden did not promise anything but sanctions for an invasion and lets face facts, NATO doesnt mean s*** without us footing the bill.
We just did 20 years in Afghanistan. No one in America wants another war, especially with the Russians.

[CoffeeTiger 5,363]

20 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

As shocked as I am that he finally did move, we have to realize that Putin didnt do this under trump, but did it with Biden. 

What does that mean? May mean he thinks Biden is far more accommodating than trump? it certainly means that he is not afraid of sanctions.
What does it mean that Biden was so specific in his comments about Leaving the Americans in Ukraine alone? Not hurting the Americans in the Ukraine?

Biden did not promise anything but sanctions for an invasion and lets face facts, NATO doesnt mean s*** without us footing the bill.
We just did 20 years in Afghanistan. No one in America wants another war, especially with the Russians.

 

So a week ago Biden was being too aggressive and trying to start a war with Russia to save his low polling numbers. 

Now the story is that Biden is actually too weak and passive, which is why Putin is making a move to begin with and Biden is being too lenient with the sanctions? 

 

 

 

 

[I_M4_AU 8,231]

1 hour ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Now the story is that Biden is actually too weak and passive, which is why Putin is making a move to begin with and Biden is being too lenient with the sanctions? 

By George, you’ve got it.  Amazing, I thought you would never see the light.

Biden as already completed the Nord Stream 2 and even thought it hasn’t been sanctioned Putin can afford to wait while Germany freezes the rest of the winter.  Biden has hamstrung the West with his Greed New Deal so much so he has given Russia and China a leg up on energy as America is no longer in the picture.

Putin is a master manipulator and Biden is playing catch up.  Biden is no match for the guy.

Edited February 23, 2022 by I_M4_AU

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2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

By George, you’ve got it.  Amazing, I thought you would never see the light.

Biden as already completed the Nord Stream 2 and even thought it hasn’t been sanctioned Putin can afford to wait while Germany freezes the rest of the winter.  Biden has hamstrung the West with his Greed New Deal so much so he has given Russia and China a leg up on energy as America is no longer in the picture.

Putin is a master manipulator and Biden is playing catch up.  Biden is no match for the guy.

Biden had nothing to do with getting the Nord2 pipeline completed. It had been delayed, but as long as Germany wanted it completed, the US couldn’t stop it forever. 
 

It would have been completed no matter who was President, but if it was Trump still in office you’d rightfully be blaming Germany for placing too much trust in Russia, not the U.S. President for not stopping a 3rd party trade deal. 
 

 

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Wielding the threat of war, a new, more aggressive Putin steps forward

The Russian president is leveraging a reconstituted military to force the world to reckon with his demands

By Paul Sonne

and 

Robyn Dixon

 

He is the man with the very long table who seats world leaders and ministers at an almost comical distance. He is a lone figure in a dark coat laying a wreath at a cemetery in St. Petersburg or sitting solo in his Olympic viewing booth in Beijing. He is aging, isolated, more powerful than ever, and on the brink of waging a possibly catastrophic war.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in the 22 years since he first took office, has evolved from an afterthought of Washington leaders to the world’s most watched and pleaded-with man, using reconstituted Russian military might to force the globe to reckon with his interests after having complained for years about being ignored.

His latest belligerence follows two years of pandemic isolation and eight years of Western sanctions that analysts say have fed the bunker mentality Putin has exhibited since his earliest years.

At 69, and now a grandfather, he has had hours alone to consider his legacy as the longest-serving Russian leader since Joseph Stalin and ponder one of his most striking and unendurable failures: the escape of Kyiv, for centuries the center of East Slavic statehood, into the hands of the West.

Eastern Ukraine sees military attempts at provocation by Russia

Putin’s growing hunger for risk comes as the United States, mired in political dysfunction and humbled by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, sees its relative global power decline. As Washington governance has faltered, Putin has reformed the Russian military into a capable force, eradicated political opposition at home, extended control over domestic Internet and media, amended the Russian constitution to retain power and hardened Moscow’s finances against external pressure.

With the staying power of an ensconced autocrat, he steadily has built a foundation to take greater risks abroad and the confidence to confront Washington ever more vigorously. In many ways, Putin believes his time has come, at last.

“If you are sitting in the Kremlin, things haven’t been better from the standpoint of trying to push your interests against the West,” said Thomas Graham, senior director for Russia on the White House National Security Council under President George W. Bush. “The trajectory of developments would tell Putin he is on the rise and the United States is on the decline.”

That shift comes as Putin views himself increasingly in historical terms. “Putin has got himself so wrapped up with the Russian state that he can’t extract himself from the idea that he is the state,” said Fiona Hill, who held the top Russia post at the NSC under President Donald Trump. “He is already living history.”

To lose Ukraine would be to suffer a severe humiliation in Putin’s eyes, she said, describing Putin’s thinking as, “He’s not going to let Ukraine get away, not on his watch.”

‘The weak are beaten’

Putin’s long journey from inheriting a country reeling from the Soviet Union’s collapse to threatening the West with a full-scale war in Ukraine is the story of a leader who for years felt slighted and demeaned by a succession of U.S. presidents preoccupied with other issues, only to build up the power to strike back.

But from his earliest days as leader, the former KGB officer exhibited a bellicose streak. He led a brutal war against Chechen separatists upon taking office, famously vowing to “waste them in their outhouses,” and exhibited a paranoia from his early days about foreign enemies trying to destroy Russia.

To a man who brawled on the streets of Leningrad in his youth and made his career in the Soviet security services, Russian weakness after the Soviet Union’s collapse had become revolting.

Edited February 23, 2022 by homersapien

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-praises-putins-genius-gop-fissures-grow-ukraine-crisis-rcna17259

Trump praises Putin's 'genius' as GOP fissures grow on Ukraine crisis

[I_M4_AU 8,231]

15 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Biden had nothing to do with getting the Nord2 pipeline completed. It had been delayed, but as long as Germany wanted it completed, the US couldn’t stop it forever. 
 

It would have been completed no matter who was President, but if it was Trump still in office you’d rightfully be blaming Germany for placing too much trust in Russia, not the U.S. President for not stopping a 3rd party trade deal. 
 

 

Biden lifted the sanctions on Nord Stream 5 days after taking the oath of office.  Russia completed the pipeline and is awaiting certification. Senator Cruz, on the 13th of this year, introduced a bill that would block Nord Stream 2.

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz’s bill to sanction the Nord Stream 2 pipeline received 55 of votes in favor and 43 votes against, falling short of the 60-vote hurdle to pass even as the vote remained open on Thursday evening. A handful of Democrats, some of whom face tough reelection campaigns in the 2022 midterm cycle—including Sens. Tammy Baldwin, Maggie Hassan, Jacky Rosen, Raphael Warnock, and Catherine Cortez Masto—strayed from the party line and voted for Cruz’s bill but not enough to advance it.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/13/nord-stream-pipeline-russia-senate-vote/

Germany does want that pipeline certified as they rely heavily on Russian fossil fuels.  It appears windmills and solar panels aren’t cutting it in Germany and they dismantled their nuclear plants in response to the Green energy agenda.

Oh, by the way, Biden shutdown our own pipeline and severely handicapped our energy production so much so we are no longer energy independent.  We are actually buying fuel from Russia.  

Thus, Russia supplied 7% of U.S. crude oil imports in late 2021 – a significant number. Replacing that oil will put additional upward pressure on global oil prices, virtually assuring that oil will exceed $100/bbl if the situation further escalates.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/02/21/russia-is-a-major-supplier-of-oil-to-the-us/?sh=5cc85b7318c3

Putin has been handed everything he needs to cause pain to our economy if he can outlast the *swift, severe and unified* sanctions the world is putting on them.

News Flash: Trump is not in office.

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One thing you'd hope this event does is be a wakeup call for Europe and Germany that Russia can't be trusted and that they shouldn't be relied upon for any significant or critical trade needs. 

 

Russian gas exports is one of it's economies main lifelines. Outside of that the Russian economy isn't very significant to the world. 

Edited February 23, 2022 by CoffeeTiger

[homersapien 11,654]

19 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Putin is a master manipulator and Biden is playing catch up.  Biden is no match for the guy.

Well, THG thinks he's a genius.

So how does kissing Putin's ass make for a more effective match up than Biden?

Edited February 23, 2022 by homersapien