The Turn When I saw the left give up everything I believe in, I changed politically. You can, too.

[aubaseball 2,861]

5 hours ago, homersapien said:

And MAGA referring to a person is a shorthand way of referring to a "MAGA operative" or "MAGA supporter".  Not sure how Freudian psychology would relate to this

So are you against making America great?

[DKW 86 7,914]

On 12/9/2021 at 10:38 AM, AUDub said:

 

LITTLE? WTF???????

[alexava 6,976]

3 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

LITTLE? WTF???????

How long until the left calls Manchin a racist?

[DKW 86 7,914]

2 hours ago, alexava said:

How long until the left calls Manchin a racist?

3.2.1....

[homersapien 12,265]

14 hours ago, alexava said:

It relates! There’s enough spin going on here to start an entirely new branch of psychiatric theory. 

Yep.  Starting with "it wasn't an attempted coup, not enough people were shot".

Edited December 20, 2021 by homersapien

[homersapien 12,265]

13 hours ago, aubaseball said:

So are you against making America great?

You left out the "again" (a critical component).

Bring back segregation!

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by homersapien

[aubaseball 2,861]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

You left out the "again" (a critical component).

Bring back segregation!

 

No was intentional.   It doesn’t need to be put in because it’s only about getting to greatness.   It would figure that you would go straight to the race card.   
it didn’t change the fact that you didn’t even answer the question without bringing in race.   Says a lot about you 

[CoffeeTiger 5,914]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

You left out the "again" (a critical component).

Bring back segregation!

 

Homer, cut that out. 

MAGA's aren't racist, they just want this country to go back to a simpler time when people of various completions knew which water fountain they were supposed to drink out of. 

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Isn't "make again" the same as "build back"?

[AUDub 11,974]

57 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Isn't "make again" the same as "build back"?

No.

Omitting the "better" is an interesting rhetorical sleight of hand on your part, and back and again aren't necessarily the same.

Analyzing word for word in an incomplete manner ignores that the whole sentence has a different meaning. Make America Great Again means that in the past America was great, and that it must be returned to that greatness. Build Back Better? Well the first two words indicate that America needs to be rebuilt, mimicking a similar sentiment in MAGA, but the last word modifies that. The last word, better,  implies that the past was worse but not necessarily bad, and could be improved upon.

IOW, one is progressive, the other is reactionary.

[AUDub 11,974]

On 12/19/2021 at 7:26 PM, aubaseball said:

So are you against making America great?

What's the "again" you yearn to return to? 

[bigbird 60,942]

1 hour ago, AUDub said:

IOW, one is progressive, the other is reactionary.

one could also look at it as...

one thinks it was good, slipped, and needs to be reestablished. 

Or 

It has never been good and needs to be rebuilt.

[AUDub 11,974]

8 minutes ago, bigbird said:

one thinks it was good, slipped, and needs to be reestablished. 

What makes that reactionary is that, well, that it WAS great depending on who you were.

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It has never been good and needs to be rebuilt.

"Build back better" means you want to rebuild better than before.  That means that there is no implication as to how good it was before. "Make America Great Again" implies that it was already great, now isn't, and should get back to that state. There is a distinct difference there.

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14 hours ago, homersapien said:

Yep.  Starting with "it wasn't an attempted coup, not enough people were shot".

who the **** said that? it wasnt me. i plainly acknowledge the fact that it wasnt a coup. and even if some moron thinks it was,  it was not serious in any way and had zero chance to actually happen 

[AUDub 11,974]

46 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

who the **** said that? It wasnt me. i plainly acknowledge the fact that it wasnt a coup. and even if some moron thinks it was,  it was not serious in any way and had zero chance to actually happen 

A. He wasn't talking to you. This is from another thread. 

B. Just because an attempted coup was a ******* failure and may have been doomed to have been from the beginning doesn't make it NOT an attempted coup.

[DKW 86 7,914]

8 hours ago, AUDub said:

A. He wasn't talking to you. This is from another thread. 

B. Just because an attempted coup was a ******* failure and may have been doomed to have been from the beginning doesn't make it NOT an attempted coup.

Congrats, continue to waste your time and energy on an event that didnt happen and the rest of the thinking world has moved on from. While some of the dolts involved are being arrested and tried and convicted, the most they are getting is misdemeanors, etc. They are not being charged with sedition etc. 

Seems as if the new RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!!! is a massively over played riot that some are trying to spin as a coup attempt. If it was a coup attempt, and will grant that there may have been a few that actually wanted to do that, it was an unblelievably poor attempt, that had no arms involved and at no time had any chance to succeed. 

[aubaseball 2,861]

11 hours ago, AUDub said:

What's the "again" you yearn to return to? 

Maybe the again is to a time where neighbors said hello to each other and people were able to have their differences but were civil to each other.

maybe it is a time where you can have a different opinion but you aren’t called a racist just because you have a  different opinion.

maybe it’s a time that an individual can be held accountable for their own actions and it not be someone’s else’s fault.    

[CoffeeTiger 5,914]

9 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Congrats, continue to waste your time and energy on an event that didnt happen and the rest of the thinking world has moved on from. While some of the dolts involved are being arrested and tried and convicted, the most they are getting is misdemeanors, etc. They are not being charged with sedition etc. 

Seems as if the new RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!!! is a massively over played riot that some are trying to spin as a coup attempt. If it was a coup attempt, and will grant that there may have been a few that actually wanted to do that, it was an unblelievably poor attempt, that had no arms involved and at no time had any chance to succeed. 

 

No man, I agree 10000% 

 

Just like the ole Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. Had absolutely no chance of success and was hardly a coup at all. That Adolf guy was such a silly, goofy figure they may have charged him with treason, but really it wasn't that bad and a few years in jail really straightened the guy out. It was a stupid, unbelievably poor attempt at a coup. 

I wish America would take Germany's example and not take it all so seriously. what's the worse that can happen? 

 

[CoffeeTiger 5,914]

1 minute ago, aubaseball said:

Maybe the again is to a time where neighbors said hello to each other and people were able to have their differences but were civil to each other.

maybe it is a time where you can have a different opinion but you aren’t called a racist just because you have a  different opinion.

maybe it’s a time that an individual can be held accountable for their own actions and it not be someone’s else’s fault.    

 

Interesting. So what decade did this magical American paradise exist in? 

 

Also interesting considering that Trump is the exact opposite of what you say "great again" means. Literally....Trump is the exact opposite of ALL of that so color me skeptical that this is the true meaning behind making America "great again" 

[SaltyTiger 8,600]

12 hours ago, AUDub said:

What's the "again" you yearn to return to? 

> when I had only one remote with all essential functions. On/off, volume, channel up/down.

> when I could pick up a couple ribeyes for the grill without spending $60.00

[aubaseball 2,861]

1 hour ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Interesting. So what decade did this magical American paradise exist in? 

There is no paradise on earth.  So I don’t exactly know what you are looking to achieve on this planet?   
And why is the default time on “make America great again “ always have to go back to slavery, segregation or any of the other negative times ?  Do you have a problem with the 80’s, 90’s or even the 2000’s?   Do those decades count? Or is your real problem with just with the man who was behind it?   It’s just a slogan.  Just like build back better.   People can form their own opinions as to what they mean.  

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18 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

There is no paradise on earth.  So I don’t exactly know what you are looking to achieve on this planet?   
And why is the default time on “make America great again “ always have to go back to slavery, segregation or any of the other negative times ?  Do you have a problem with the 80’s, 90’s or even the 2000’s?   Do those decades count? Or is your real problem with just with the man who was behind it?   It’s just a slogan.  Just like build back better.   People can form their own opinions as to what they mean.  

Nonsense, you must have forgot that people aren’t allowed to form their own opinions anymore. 

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13 hours ago, AUDub said:

What's the "again" you yearn to return to? 

Prior to identity politics would be a start.

[CoffeeTiger 5,914]

 

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And why is the default time on “make America great again “ always have to go back to slavery, segregation or any of the other negative times ?

Not just segregation and slavery. there was also Asian interment in WW2, the "Red ScaRe", hatred against gays and lgbtq, the gang wars in American cities that make todays crime rates look like childs play, etc

There was never a period of time in American history where everyone was friendly with each other and others and differing opinions and ways of life were readily accepted...never happened. 

There WAS a period of time in American history where American Conservativism and American evangelical Christianity was in the vast national majority and created all the rules, laws, morals, and actively suppressed other beliefs and lifestyles. Where gays were stuffed in the closet, sins were hidden and not talked about, where men could do and say just about anyone without pushback or consequences because they held all the power in society. There was a time where you could tell jokes with racial slurs and bigoted language without anyone calling you out. There was a period of time where YOUR beliefs were the majority opinion and opposing views were suppressed so of course Conservatives want to go back to a time when just about everyone agreed with them, their neighbors were likely to be of the same religion and social opinions. 

THATS what a lot of people are referring to when they say or believe in MAGA.  

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 Do you have a problem with the 80’s, 90’s or even the 2000’s?

Nothing, but you don't need Trump to bring you back to the 90's. Just go get yourself a bomber jacket, wrist scrunchies , and a hair perm and you're all set.   

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  Or is your real problem with just with the man who was behind it?  

That is part of the problem yes. When the creator and leader of a "slogan" and movement is a lying, raping, bigoted, idiotic sack of s*** then it does reflect poorly on the entire movement and everyone who associates themselves with it. I don't know why it's a surprise that people assume MAGA's also agree with and support the man behind the slogan. 

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It’s just a slogan.  Just like build back better.   People can form their own opinions as to what they mean.  

Yeah...people form their own opinions about what it means alright....

 

But it's more than "just" a political slogan. 

Where are all the "Build back better" or BBB flags in peoples yards, or bumper stickers? 

Where are the BBB hats? 

MAGA isn't just a slogan, its an entire political identity and movement. MAGA and BB are nothing alike and it's disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise.  

Edited December 21, 2021 by CoffeeTiger

[DKW 86 7,914]

2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

No man, I agree 10000% 

 

Just like the ole Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. Had absolutely no chance of success and was hardly a coup at all. That Adolf guy was such a silly, goofy figure they may have charged him with treason, but really it wasn't that bad and a few years in jail really straightened the guy out. It was a stupid, unbelievably poor attempt at a coup. 

I wish America would take Germany's example and not take it all so seriously. what's the worse that can happen? 

You do know that Hitler WAS ELECTED in a far as we know fair election. He did not get to power from a coup. Far from it. He learned that a coup was a waste of time. He bided his time and won his way to Chancellor.