So explain to me

[SaltyTiger 8,131]

5 hours ago, Eagle Eye 7 said:

Why we continued the game with a QB that was noticeably injured

My Grandfather was one of the last old mule farmers. Asked him once why he didn’t change and get a tractor. Told me he had rather plow a field using a mule with a broke leg than a tractor that had no feel for the garden.

[e808 3,028]

35 minutes ago, Eagle Eye 7 said:

Yes I saw him in action. He has come in to a couple of games last year. Remember he played QB at Massachusites . Not the SEC but I’m pretty sure he could field the snap. 

Exactly all was needed is to come in and take care of the ball. He would be playing with a lead.  Hand it off, throw in a quarterback draws but most importantly keep the clock moving. How hard can that . IMO most of us at our advanced age could do something so simple

[WarEagle1983 2,185]

2 minutes ago, clwn said:

All of this would have been moot I think if Harsin ran a QB sneak with a 6'7 TJ Finley on 3rd and 2 to put the game away. I honestly can't understand how one doesn't do that in that situation. Just another to add to the list of really bizarre coaching decisions that cost us games.

TJ still could make some good passes though as he showed in OT with the low pass TD. However, that was more of a great catch I think than pass, but he got it there.  So again, it just shows poor play calling prior by the coaches. Like when we stopped Bama and gave it right back to them by throwing a stupid pass. Granted, it hit the receiver in the hands so can't really put that one on TJ, but should have just been running some clock.

THIS! No way i'd want to go to OT with Bama. I knew it was over when we went to OT. I was honestly shocked we went that many OTs. Says a lot about our guys for sure. Certainly not mad at anyone b/c it was great to see guys fight to be in position to actually win. However, I do agree it goes to question coaching decisions this year. 

If we do retain our coordinators, Harsin is REALLY going to have to long conversations with each coordinators but most importantly himself. He's really going to have to a clear picture of what he wants AU to look like on offense and defense and make his decisions from there. And if it doesn't line up with who he currently has in those roles, change it now rather than later. 

[selias 2,398]

6 hours ago, Eagle Eye 7 said:

We have Loy  on the sideline, who is a 6th year QB that started at Mass. and has been at AU for two years, often in the #2 spot?

So...is the SEC different or not? I'm just trying to keep up with the shifting goal posts

Edited November 29, 2021 by selias

[e808 3,028]

14 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

It’s actually REALLY simple. The same was asked when Bo was hurt but kept playing. Everyone said “surely TJ was a better option”. Well we found out that as long as Bo could go he was likely the better option. So we can safely assume that since TJ was put in the same position he was likely the better option as long as he could go. No need to overthink it. It’s likely just this simple. 

The difference is Auburn was behind when Tj was asked to come in. In this instance Loy just needed to take care of the ball and no matter what make sure the clock keeps moving

[NoALtiger 3,875]

25 minutes ago, WarEagle1983 said:

To me it says what they think about Loy that they didn't put him in versus not being prepared. But I can understand the point of view of our staff not being prepared. I just see it as the standpoint of that even though TJ is on one leg...it's still better than the other options. If we would've won, no one would be taking issue with the decision. 

Well of course no one would be taking exception if we won. Point is we didn’t and this played a huge role in it.  

Edited November 29, 2021 by NoALtiger

[WDE_OxPx_2010 5,335]

DD was never an option. Just stop it with him. He was 4th string QB when Bo got hurt, he was at best 3rd string last night. Do you realize how few 1st team snaps he gets in practice at that level of the depth chart? He's not going to know enough to do anything we want to do.

The leg that TJ hurt was NOT his plant leg. He could still throw the ball if needed and that's all you could ask of him given the situation. 

Without a run game you don't throw in your third string QB against that type of defense. Loy would have been a literal sitting duck.

TJ gave us the best option to win, hands down. You have to trust the coaches knew that.

[WarEagle1983 2,185]

2 minutes ago, e808 said:

The difference is Auburn was behind when Tj was asked to come in. In this instance Loy just needed to take care of the ball and no matter what make sure the clock keeps moving

He would've had to throw eventually during those 11 minutes. No way Bama was going to let us milk 11 minutes of clock on the ground. We tried to do it some with TJ and lost yards. TJ was still a passing threat beyond 10 - 15 yards. I just think the decision was pretty simple and I had no problem with it. It was unfortunate ending. 

[e808 3,028]

2 minutes ago, WarEagle1983 said:

He would've had to throw eventually during those 11 minutes. No way Bama was going to let us milk 11 minutes of clock on the ground. We tried to do it some with TJ and lost yards. TJ was still a passing threat beyond 10 - 15 yards. I just think the decision was pretty simple and I had no problem with it. It was unfortunate ending. 

Respectfully disagree. Bring in Loy and run 3 straight plays instead of the Interception and Auburn probably wins. U looking at a minimum of 2 to 3 minutes off the clock . Punt and pin them deep. Bama was dead in the water until that INT gave them life. 

[WarEagle1983 2,185]

7 minutes ago, NoALtiger said:

Well of course no one would be taking exception if we won. Point is we didn’t and this played a huge role in it.  

Point is..we wouldn't have been in position to win without him. Who really expected Auburn to win the game? Therefore the fact that we had to go multiple OTs for a chance to win the game says that it was the right decision to keep TJ in the game. I just don't think it was simple as put in our 3rd or 4th string and drain clock and we win. We can agree to disagree but I still would trust a hurt TJ to close it out vs the others we had. 

[e808 3,028]

2 minutes ago, WarEagle1983 said:

Point is..we wouldn't have been in position to win without him. Who really expected Auburn to win the game? Therefore the fact that we had to go multiple OTs for a chance to win the game says that it was the right decision to keep TJ in the game. I just don't think it was simple as put in our 3rd or 4th string and drain clock and we win. We can agree to disagree but I still would trust a hurt TJ to close it out vs the others we had. 

TJ playing hurt changed the game IMO.  Threw one pick. One was negated by a penalty and had another near pick. Like u said we can agree to disagree. 

[Randman5000 4,245]

[Hank2020 3,233]

10 minutes ago, e808 said:

Respectfully disagree. Bring in Loy and run 3 straight plays instead of the Interception and Auburn probably wins. U looking at a minimum of 2 to 3 minutes off the clock . Punt and pin them deep. Bama was dead in the water until that INT gave them life. 

You don’t get 2-3 minutes off the clock in 3 plays. Gotta have a first down. Couldn’t make one with a pass.

[e808 3,028]

5 minutes ago, Hank2020 said:

You don’t get 2-3 minutes off the clock in 3 plays. Gotta have a first down. Couldn’t make one with a pass.

The play clock is 40 seconds and that’s not including the play. That’s why Danielson keeps harping on Tank not staying in bounds. I should have said if u include 4th down. If Auburn keeps the clock rolling instead of that interception. There is a high chance they win. The turnover shifted the game. Hindsight is 20/20

Edited November 29, 2021 by e808

[EagleEye67 1,948]

47 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

My Grandfather was one of the last old mule farmers. Asked him once why he didn’t change and get a tractor. Told me he had rather plow a field using a mule with a broke leg than a tractor that had no feel for the garden.

 

[clwn 336]

49 minutes ago, selias said:

So run a sneak with a gimpy QB?

I am seriously starting to wonder how some AU fans operate daily without some sort of supervision

Yes. You run a QB sneak up the middle by falling forward while your RB pushes you forward. You win the game the by taking a knee. Beats trying to beat Bama in 4 OTs with said gimpy QB. 

[selias 2,398]

2 minutes ago, clwn said:

Yes. You run a QB sneak up the middle by falling forward while your RB pushes you forward. You win the game the by taking a knee. Beats trying to beat Bama in 4 OTs with said gimpy QB. 

I'll at least admit your username is appropriate

[Didba 5,303]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

What we were doing was anything but complex.

The offensive scheme, route tree, play names, etc are very complex in this offense, at least compared to what they were under Gus.

[clwn 336]

5 minutes ago, selias said:

I'll at least admit your username is appropriate

As is yours Cialis.

[e808 3,028]

11 minutes ago, clwn said:

Yes. You run a QB sneak up the middle by falling forward while your RB pushes you forward. You win the game the by taking a knee. Beats trying to beat Bama in 4 OTs with said gimpy QB. 

Um u can’t use a sneak with a gimpy QB. He couldn’t even push off. Did u see how much pain he was in under center. Also it was 2 yards not 1. Usually a sneak work when it’s inches at most a yard not 2

Edited November 29, 2021 by e808

[Didba 5,303]

46 minutes ago, WDE_OxPx_2010 said:

DD was never an option. Just stop it with him. He was 4th string QB when Bo got hurt, he was at best 3rd string last night. Do you realize how few 1st team snaps he gets in practice at that level of the depth chart? He's not going to know enough to do anything we want to do.

The leg that TJ hurt was NOT his plant leg. He could still throw the ball if needed and that's all you could ask of him given the situation. 

Without a run game you don't throw in your third string QB against that type of defense. Loy would have been a literal sitting duck.

TJ gave us the best option to win, hands down. You have to trust the coaches knew that.

This was what I alluded too with DD and the offensive scheme.

[selias 2,398]

1 minute ago, clwn said:

As is yours Cialis.

When you're old, you accept pharmaceutical assistance. Though...Selias was the name of my first AD&D character back in the 80s so...cheers?

[Didba 5,303]

2 minutes ago, clwn said:

As is yours Cialis.

booooooooooooo, get off the stage.

[Swamp Eagle 5,174]

1 hour ago, Eagle Eye 7 said:

If it was then Harsin failed his job. A head coaches job during the year is to train his players. He had all year and no answer? He said going in Loy would be the back up. It was clear TJ became a handicap to the team after his injury. 

Loy was 3rd string until Bo got hurt. 3rd string QB’s don’t get meaningful game reps in time-constrained practices.

[auburnphan 6,050]

13 minutes ago, clwn said:

Yes. You run a QB sneak up the middle by falling forward while your RB pushes you forward. You win the game the by taking a knee. Beats trying to beat Bama in 4 OTs with said gimpy QB. 

Have you watched our center play at all the last two seasons?   How do you fall forward when Brahms is being shoved backwards into you? Not only can he not get any push, he also has never been an anchor, but he is one helluva sled.