Potential OCs for 2022?

[1716AU 733]

1 minute ago, AURealist said:

While I don't see how you can make the unqualified statement that there will be an end to second half offensive droughts if we hire Hill, or that our QB play will be at least as good as last year.  I do, however, appreciate your optimism and hope you're right.

Totally agree that Harsin is serious and focused.  I'm one of those people that believes a coach should be given free rein to do whatever it takes to honestly succeed.  Meddling by others is always a detrimental distraction.

I was at Auburn '81-'85 and wa s an Auburn fan for years before I ever attended classes there.  I know coaches and players usually try their best.  I want Harsin & Co to succeed as much as anyone.  But there's a reason the term JABA exists. 

I know some here find me flippant and hyperbolic, but this isn't real life.  It's a sports board on the internet.  I'm surprised anyone takes it seriously at all. 

WDE 

 

Well, I have just been one since 1965, but I went to Yale, so I am not as emotionally invested as you are, which, hopefully means I am looking at this through a clearer lens. And I am NOT taking you in a NON serious manner.  Actually, quite the opposite, as I am trying to engage you in conversation.  I believe you deserve better than that.

I make that assertion because Bobo will no longer be on the sidelines or in the meetings.  There has been a LOT of prickly garbage going on all season.  My opinion, Harsin had Bobo forced upon him and he should have brought his own.

QB play was better from Bo, but it suffered down the ladder.  Hill has a reputation for not letting that happen and true development, IF he is the choice.

My only opinion is that Harsin should have brought his OWN staff in.  Recruiting was going to be tough this year, and we have ALL been told that since he came in. 

2023....that is a different matter, and it is showing itself to be so.

[DAG 34,086]

11 minutes ago, JMassie11 said:

You know the McGee theory could be relevant too. Imagine the conversation from Harsin along the lines of here’s the playbook I want to run. Throw in some wrinkles that you learned at UGA and turn him loose. 

Well the reason I don’t see it going that way is because McGee has never called a play,

let alone set up an offensive game plan. I would think if they hire him or DC then it will be for recruiting purposes and CBH/the WRs coach would be installing most of the game plan. 

[eaglenest 332]

46 minutes ago, aucom96 said:

He's pulling down 5 mill a year to do so. 

He has to recruit. I'll wait and see on whoever he hires, but if it's Hill... it's hard to see how that puts us in a better position in recruiting then we were in with Bobo. 

I have an idea! why don't you take over the football operation, you seem to know it all. just reach out to ADAG/Harsin and let them know you have all the answers to fix our current state of the football program.

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17 minutes ago, DAG said:

It’s interesting because for whatever reason ASU is always on later in the evening on Saturday and I’ve seen them several times because I have zero to do. I’ve never came away impressed with their play, yet this is a very serious candidate. 

Consider this. We’d have fired the guy running 62nd ranked offense against SEC defenses and has signed (10) 5 star recruits as lead recruiter to hire the guy running the 56th ranked offense against extremely weaker opponents and has signed (1) 4 star his entire career as lead recruiter. Likely a big step backwards and there’s really no other way to slice it. 

[DAG 34,086]

Just now, MustardSeed said:

Consider this. We’d have fired the guy running 62nd ranked offense against SEC defenses and has signed (10) 5 star recruits as lead recruiter to hire the guy running the 56th ranked offense against extremely weaker opponents and has signed (1) 4 star his entire career as lead recruiter. Likely a big step backwards and there’s really no other way to slice it. 

I agree . It is essentially a good ole boy  , I am comfortable with this guy hire. And that’s fine but you better make it work. He is low, low, low on someone I would consider to be viable. At that point , I would rather just hire in house 

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19 minutes ago, 1716AU said:

QB play was better from Bo, but it suffered down the ladder. 

Bo was actually a lot better by the time he got injured and TJ was a late transfer and just not that great to begin with but we never saw him play enough to judge progress

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The fact no hire has been made it’s possible that Harsin’s first choice was someone who is playing this weekend or has turned him down and he is fully vetting Hill. Someone who he knows well. 
 

Harsin would never hire an unknown offensive coach w zero OC history like Dell or DC. It’s just not going to happen. 
 

He needs someone that he trusts after the problems his past OC had generating points down the stretch. 

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2 minutes ago, DAG said:

I agree . It is essentially a good ole boy  , I am comfortable with this guy hire. And that’s fine but you better make it work. He is low, low, low on someone I would consider to be viable. At that point , I would rather just hire in house 

To add. While 62nd in offense sounds bad for Bobo, we were 85th last year so we definitely got better and would have possibly finished top 40 if Bo didn’t get hurt.  Arizona St was basically the same level of offense (maybe better actually) when Hill took over as they are now. If Harsin hires him it’s 100% sink or swim and he’s only got 2 years and no second chances IMO. If he takes a chance on an unfamiliar guy that should be good but doesn’t work out he’s much more likely to get another shot. Pretty HUGE risk IYAM

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6 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Bo was actually a lot better by the time he got injured and TJ was a late transfer and just not that great to begin with but we never saw him play enough to judge progress

Agree about Bo. 
 

and even w limited snaps, I think Finley showed his flaws especially in the Alabama game:

1. He seemed to never want to throw to the TEs but more to WRs and farther down field

2. as he showed last year at LSU, he did the same at auburn.  He could go through his passing progressions but it took him too long to pull the trigger. Our OL even when blocking well at first was not going to sustain a good pocket and Finley is not quick enough to escape the pocket, therefore a sack. 
he did that in the Alabama game even before he hurt his ankle. 

[1716AU 733]

17 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Bo was actually a lot better by the time he got injured and TJ was a late transfer and just not that great to begin with but we never saw him play enough to judge progress

That is totally fair. 

[ThurstontheWelshCorgi 576]

I like the coastal carolina offense a lot, it would allow us to still rush the ball for big numbers, still allow for a passing attack and give us a dynamic edge/equalizer against teams that have more depth against us. 

[1716AU 733]

4 minutes ago, ThurstontheWelshCorgi said:

I like the coastal carolina offense a lot, it would allow us to still rush the ball for big numbers, still allow for a passing attack and give us a dynamic edge/equalizer against teams that have more depth against us. 

Me too, but we will run Harsin's offense, and it it going to be totally different from that.  But it has always been consistent.

I love reading everybody's wants, but the offense will be Harsin's

[Guest MustardSeed]

So no new rumors today?  No Eddie Gran or Chip Long random rumors? 😂

[ThurstontheWelshCorgi 576]

Just now, 1716AU said:

Me too, but we will run Harsin's offense, and it it going to be totally different from that.  But it has always been consistent.

I love reading everybody's wants, but the offense will be Harsin's

I don't mean to attack your statement but I keep seeing this.. It'll be harsins offense.. I'm so confused because I also keep seeing "b b b but gus meddled with the 50 million different offensive coordinators he hired, he's got to stop meddling!" and now we want harsin to hire someone who he can shackle and chain to run his offense.. Seems like we are just hiring a stop gap to be fired when things get tough so the heat isn't on coach harsin

 

At least Gene chizik hired guys and let them run their system for better or worse

[AuCivilEng1 11,081]

3 minutes ago, ThurstontheWelshCorgi said:

At least Gene chizik hired guys and let them run their system for better or worse

Chiz put together such an incredible staff. He had a modern offense and a group of top dog recruiters. It’s no wonder he has Auburn only National Championship other than Shug. When you put a staff together that isn’t your buddies that aren’t going to just kiss your a**. You win games. 

[AURealist 2,185]

50 minutes ago, 1716AU said:

Well, I have just been one since 1965, but I went to Yale, so I am not as emotionally invested as you are, which, hopefully means I am looking at this through a clearer lens. And I am NOT taking you in a NON serious manner.  Actually, quite the opposite, as I am trying to engage you in conversation.  I believe you deserve better than that.

I make that assertion because Bobo will no longer be on the sidelines or in the meetings.  There has been a LOT of prickly garbage going on all season.  My opinion, Harsin had Bobo forced upon him and he should have brought his own.

QB play was better from Bo, but it suffered down the ladder.  Hill has a reputation for not letting that happen and true development, IF he is the choice.

My only opinion is that Harsin should have brought his OWN staff in.  Recruiting was going to be tough this year, and we have ALL been told that since he came in. 

2023....that is a different matter, and it is showing itself to be so.

Oh, I recognized that yours were serious comments.  No offense intended.  

Interesting that you think Bobo was "forced upon" Harson.  That suggests two, perhaps offsetting, points to me. 

First, that Bobo would not have been Harsin's first choice, so we might be a better team with a Harsin-picked OC.  Secondly, that Harsin was willing to have his hands tied to take the job.  That #2 is the bigger issue for me as it speaks to character and purpose.  I prefer to believe Bobo at OC was a calculated risk on Harsin's part that bore a bitter crop.  

Gonna sound strange, but my jury is still deliberating the verdict on Bo Nix. 

What happens in 2023 is anyone's guess at this point.  If we aren't better, I'd settle for more exciting.  I want Auburn football to be fun again.  

 

[SRBautigerfan 1,040]

This board is entertaining but I hope the hell our football program isn't influenced in the slightest by it or any other form of social media.  We would never get anywhere.

[AURealist 2,185]

1 minute ago, SRBautigerfan said:

This board is entertaining but I hope the hell our football program isn't influenced in the slightest by it or any other form of social media.  We would never get anywhere.

It isn't.

A camel is a horse designed by committee.  

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29 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

So no new rumors today?  No Eddie Gran or Chip Long random rumors? 😂

Wait, you haven’t heard about Dell McGee, the greatest offensive mind in Mideast Georgia?😉

[Didba 5,303]

One thing I'll say with all this talk of recruiting for this class. At this point, I am more interested to see the guys we get through the transfer portal. Lot of talent moving around this off-season that could make an instant impact.

[aucom96 1,648]

1 hour ago, eaglenest said:

I have an idea! why don't you take over the football operation, you seem to know it all. just reach out to ADAG/Harsin and let them know you have all the answers to fix our current state of the football program.

Do you people who keep posting this realize how silly it is?

If you don’t like the roads, why don’t you go fix them yourself? If you don’t like what the cardiologist says, why don’t you go operate on yourself?

 

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5 minutes ago, aucom96 said:

Do you people who keep posting this realize how silly it is?

If you don’t like the roads, why don’t you go fix them yourself? If you don’t like what the cardiologist says, why don’t you go operate on yourself?

 

The offensive coordinators job is not predicated on recruiting, and Bobo was not fired for anything recruiting related. He was fired for incompatibility and declining offensive playcalling and output. Therefore, to phrase Hill vs. Bobo under the light of what it matters for recruiting is pointless and clueless.. Harsin should and will hire the person who is able to execute his game plan, develop an offensive strategy, and play call effectively. Period.

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1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

Consider this. We’d have fired the guy running 62nd ranked offense against SEC defenses and has signed (10) 5 star recruits as lead recruiter to hire the guy running the 56th ranked offense against extremely weaker opponents and has signed (1) 4 star his entire career as lead recruiter. Likely a big step backwards and there’s really no other way to slice it. 

I mean, I've already explained in this very same thread why your baseline analysis is hollow and weak, and why deeper insight shows more than you think.

Do you know what cognitive dissonance is? It's when you refuse to accept new or alterior information because it threatens your preconceived beliefs. 

[1716AU 733]

46 minutes ago, ThurstontheWelshCorgi said:

I don't mean to attack your statement but I keep seeing this.. It'll be harsins offense.. I'm so confused because I also keep seeing "b b b but gus meddled with the 50 million different offensive coordinators he hired, he's got to stop meddling!" and now we want harsin to hire someone who he can shackle and chain to run his offense.. Seems like we are just hiring a stop gap to be fired when things get tough so the heat isn't on coach harsin

 

At least Gene chizik hired guys and let them run their system for better or worse

I don't feel attacked. And I understand where you're coming from. When I say Harsin's offense, you need to look back at the past 8 years at what he's run at Boise State. They line up the same way, they run the same type of motions, and also Peterson ran at the same.

That's what we will run, and Bobo couldn't do it. Bubba wanted to throw the ball every moment he had the chance. Not so in this offense.

Whoever comes in as offensive coordinator is going to run what our coach has run for the past 10 plus years, and it's consistent and it works.

 

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SIAP https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/auburn-down-to-3-candidates-for-offensive-coordinator-opening-per-report/

Zak Hill, Kittley and D. Craig

Seems like Craig or Hill could have been announced already. Kittley just played last night.