Tyranny of the Minority...

[homersapien 12,275]

21 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

What “effort” are you asking about?

There are many examples of gerrymandering in the states.  This has resulted in state governments that are controlled by a minority political party.  I don't think I need to list them here, but I can provide you some links.

And then you have McConnell's abuse of power in the Senate, barring a hearing for Merrick Garland being a prime example.

The Republican Party doesn't even try to hide their partisan efforts to game the system.

(Of course, the system could just as easily be gamed by Democrats, which is why changing the rules is so important.)

 

The Impact of Partisan Gerrymandering

New CAP analysis finds that the impacts of partisan gerrymandering are comparable to switching the majority of votes in 22 states.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/impact-partisan-gerrymandering/

 

How Republicans Use Redistricting To Their Advantage

https://www.democracydocket.com/news/how-republicans-use-redistricting-to-their-advantage/

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by homersapien

[jj3jordan 2,172]

3 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Dude if you think the current situation is tenable, we have deep problems. 

Still no answer.  Do you even have a clue?? All you can do is b**ch. Please do not post again until you have a solution with an objective goal and a proposal to remedy it. 

[jj3jordan 2,172]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

There are many examples of gerrymandering in the states.  This has resulted in state governments that are controlled by a minority political party.  I don't think I need to list them here, but I can provide you some links.

And then you have McConnell's abuse of power in the Senate, barring a hearing for Merrick Garland being a prime example.

The Republican Party doesn't even try to hide their partisan efforts to game the system.

(Of course, the system could just as easily be gamed by Democrats, which is why changing the rules is so important.)

 

The Impact of Partisan Gerrymandering

New CAP analysis finds that the impacts of partisan gerrymandering are comparable to switching the majority of votes in 22 states.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/impact-partisan-gerrymandering/

 

How Republicans Use Redistricting To Their Advantage

https://www.democracydocket.com/news/how-republicans-use-redistricting-to-their-advantage/

 

Thank God we are able to thwart democrat efforts to destroy the country.

[wdefromtx 3,691]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

There are many examples of gerrymandering in the states.  This has resulted in state governments that are controlled by a minority political party.  I don't think I need to list them here, but I can provide you some links.

And then you have McConnell's abuse of power in the Senate, barring a hearing for Merrick Garland being a prime example.

The Republican Party doesn't even try to hide their partisan efforts to game the system.

(Of course, the system could just as easily be gamed by Democrats, which is why changing the rules is so important.)

 

The Impact of Partisan Gerrymandering

New CAP analysis finds that the impacts of partisan gerrymandering are comparable to switching the majority of votes in 22 states.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/impact-partisan-gerrymandering/

 

How Republicans Use Redistricting To Their Advantage

https://www.democracydocket.com/news/how-republicans-use-redistricting-to-their-advantage/

 

Democrats like to gerrymander as well as Republicans……
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/us/politics/illinois-democrats-gerrymander.amp.html

[DKW 86 7,932]

11 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

Democrats like to gerrymander as well as Republicans……
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/us/politics/illinois-democrats-gerrymander.amp.html

Dude, telling the truth around here about both parties is just going to piss off the narrative junkies. I have been at it for a while now. This is why winning elections mean things. If you cant win, then you cant make the rules.  I wonder where the Republicans learned to gerrymander?

 

[SaltyTiger 8,633]

15 hours ago, homersapien said:

There are many examples of gerrymandering in the states.  This has resulted in state governments that are controlled by a minority political party.  I don't think I need to list them here, but I can provide you some links.

And then you have McConnell's abuse of power in the Senate, barring a hearing for Merrick Garland being a prime example.

The Republican Party doesn't even try to hide their partisan efforts to game the system.

(Of course, the system could just as easily be gamed by Democrats, which is why changing the rules is so important.)

 

The Impact of Partisan Gerrymandering

New CAP analysis finds that the impacts of partisan gerrymandering are comparable to switching the majority of votes in 22 states.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/impact-partisan-gerrymandering/

 

How Republicans Use Redistricting To Their Advantage

https://www.democracydocket.com/news/how-republicans-use-redistricting-to-their-advantage/

 

Understand you think the Garland thing was “abuse of power”. Maybe in your perspective but certainly no worse than the dems attempted dismantling and debacle with Kavanaugh.

Good to see you understand gerrymandering is a two way street and thanks for the articles. 

[homersapien 12,275]

12 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

Democrats like to gerrymander as well as Republicans……
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/us/politics/illinois-democrats-gerrymander.amp.html

Of course, but then I mentioned that.

It's why we need to change the law.

[homersapien 12,275]

16 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Understand you think the Garland thing was “abuse of power”. Maybe in your perspective but certainly no worse than the dems attempted dismantling and debacle with Kavanaugh.

Good to see you understand gerrymandering is a two way street and thanks for the articles. 

Kavanaugh got his hearing. Garland didn't.  That's the difference.

[SaltyTiger 8,633]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Of course, but then I mentioned that.

It's why we need to change the law.

How would you like to see the law changed? Popular vote? Redistricting by like voters?

[SaltyTiger 8,633]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Kavanaugh got his hearing. Garland didn't.  That's the difference.

Of course not. Recall “Biden Rule”?

[jj3jordan 2,172]

14 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

Democrats like to gerrymander as well as Republicans……
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/us/politics/illinois-democrats-gerrymander.amp.html

True but gerrymandering by republicans is just so unfair. When democrats do it it’s okay. Please be careful injecting facts into a discussion with liberals and democrats.

[homersapien 12,275]

2 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

How would you like to see the law changed? Popular vote? Redistricting by like voters?

Here's some potential examples of change:

https://www.fairvote.org/how_proportional_representation_would_finally

https://www.policymap.com/2017/08/solutions-to-gerrymandering/

https://news.virginia.edu/content/citizens-don-t-gerrymandering-study-offers-alternative-redistricting-methods

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/11/16453512/gerrymandering-proportional-representation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-alternative-to-gerrymandering/2011/10/10/gIQAjUl0fL_story.html

Personally, I've always liked proportional voting.  You know - the one that was used so effectively to trash Lani Guinier.

A more objective process - i.e.: redistricting by computer or a (bipartisan) committee seems to just complicate instead of solve the problem.

 

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by homersapien

[SaltyTiger 8,633]

19 hours ago, homersapien said:

Here's some potential examples of change:

https://www.fairvote.org/how_proportional_representation_would_finally

https://www.policymap.com/2017/08/solutions-to-gerrymandering/

https://news.virginia.edu/content/citizens-don-t-gerrymandering-study-offers-alternative-redistricting-methods

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/11/16453512/gerrymandering-proportional-representation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-alternative-to-gerrymandering/2011/10/10/gIQAjUl0fL_story.html

Personally, I've always liked proportional voting.  You know - the one that was used so effectively to trash Lani Guinier.

A more objective process - i.e.: redistricting by computer or a (bipartisan) committee seems to just complicate instead of solve the problem.

 

 

Get what your saying and taking a look. Never studied it in any depth. Just “smart politics” to us MAGAs. 

[homersapien 12,275]

4 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Get what your saying and taking a look. Never studied it in any depth. Just “smart politics” to us MAGAs. 

You might feel differently when the Democrats come back into power, and they will consider it "smart politics".

The problem is that the system can be "gamed" at all.  So we will continue to have "smart politics" in which either political party can deliberately and openly distort fair and equal representation to favor themselves.

Fixing that would result in a "more perfect union" IMO.

[SaltyTiger 8,633]

6 minutes ago, homersapien said:

You might feel differently when the Democrats come back into power, and they will consider it "smart politics".

The problem is that the system can be "gamed" at all.  So we will continue to have "smart politics" in which either political party can deliberately and openly distort fair and equal representation to favor themselves.

Fixing that would result in a "more perfect union" IMO.

Not really high on Republicans or Democrats right now. I thanked you for the links and said I will study it. Disagree with you on many things while I am in agreement with you on many things. 

[homersapien 12,275]

41 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Not really high on Republicans or Democrats right now. I thanked you for the links and said I will study it. Disagree with you on many things while I am in agreement with you on many things. 

Neither am I, especially after the Biden administration just opened up oil and gas leasing in the Gulf of Mexico right after COP26.  What hypocrisy.

Trump proposed it in 2017 (which hardly surprised me) but Biden made it happen.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/biden-oil-gas-leasing-gulf-of-mexico-climate/index.html

Edited November 18, 2021 by homersapien

[wdefromtx 3,691]

6 hours ago, homersapien said:

Neither am I, especially after the Biden administration just opened up oil and gas leasing in the Gulf of Mexico right after COP26.  What hypocrisy.

Trump proposed it in 2017 (which hardly surprised me) but Biden made it happen.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/biden-oil-gas-leasing-gulf-of-mexico-climate/index.html

He never cared about the environment anyways. But in fairness, he probably doesn’t remember what he said at the summit anyways. 
 

Most countries that attended COP26 aren’t going to cut like they pledged. In fact many will increase production til 2040 according to current projections. 
 

Let’s see, a bunch of countries flying globally in non SAF fueled jets to a conference about global warming. Lmao….guess it’s hard to make shady deals over a Zoom call. 
 

Also, since when have you cared about Democrats being hypocrites? 😂

Edited November 19, 2021 by wdefromtx

[homersapien 12,275]

17 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

He never cared about the environment anyways. But in fairness, he probably doesn’t remember what he said at the summit anyways. 
 

Most countries that attended COP26 aren’t going to cut like they pledged. In fact many will increase production til 2040 according to current projections. 
 

Let’s see, a bunch of countries flying globally in non SAF fueled jets to a conference about global warming. Lmao….guess it’s hard to make shady deals over a Zoom call. 
 

Also, since when have you cared about Democrats being hypocrites? 😂

I agree. 

1.5 degrees Celsius is a slam dunk and likely much higher.  I have concluded Americans don't have the scientific literacy or imagination to deal with this problem (soon to be your children's problem).

(Thanks for the great example though.  You obsess about a few dozen jets while our government just generated the opportunity to put trillions of more tons of carbon in the atmosphere.  No wonder MAGAs are so worried about CRT!  It's another existential problem!)

And I care about any politician being a hypocrite.  But you just keep doing you.  Keep drinking that MAGA kool aid.

Edited November 19, 2021 by homersapien

[wdefromtx 3,691]

15 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I agree. 

1.5 degrees Celsius is a slam dunk and likely much higher.  I have concluded Americans don't have the scientific literacy or imagination to deal with this problem (soon to be your children's problem).

(Thanks for the great example though.  You obsess about a few dozen jets while our government just generated the opportunity to put trillions of more tons of carbon in the atmosphere.  No wonder MAGAs are so worried about CRT!  It's another existential problem!)

And I care about any politician being a hypocrite.  But you just keep doing you.  Keep drinking that MAGA kool aid.

You must be a special kind of stupid….

[homersapien 12,275]

3 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

You must be a special kind of stupid….

Well, apparently, I am way too smart for you to debate. 

 

[wdefromtx 3,691]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Well, apparently, I am way too smart for you to debate. 

 

Actually the opposite, it is noticeable when all you have is making irrelevant MAGA insinuations. It shows you really have no clue how a transition of energy sources needs to take place. 

 

You do realize our government can't just suddenly pull the plug on fossil fuels right? For starters you cannot stop fostering innovation within the oil and gas sector, many developing countries such as India are just now starting to get on board with using natural gas and developing their own production. Most of which is via use of cleaner and better extraction technologies than they would have if it was not for the US. This also applies to China, which recently just said they were going to increase coal usage by 15% I think it is.

Not to mention we have to continuously keep exploring in leases such as the ones just placed up for auction to maintain national security and the massive revenue stream it creates. A world of all electric cars, solar power, turbine energy is still a few decades away at the minimum. Anyone with some common sense realizes this, we have no infrastructure for such, we have no replacements for the revenue the government will be losing. At least there is someone in the Biden Administration that has enough sense to recognize this.

And yes the planes that travelled to the summit are important, it is about actions and not words. It is easy to travel to a summit on a private jet and talk the talk, but if people were serious they would be taking the steps to set an example for others to follow. Many of the planes that travelled there could have been adapted to run on SAF. But they aren't. People would take things more seriously if they didn't come across as "do as I say and not as I do."

Before you accuse someone else of drinking the kool-aid you need to watch out for what you are sipping on.

[homersapien 12,275]

2 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Actually the opposite, it is noticeable when all you have is making irrelevant MAGA insinuations. It shows you really have no clue how a transition of energy sources needs to take place. 

 

You do realize our government can't just suddenly pull the plug on fossil fuels right? For starters you cannot stop fostering innovation within the oil and gas sector, many developing countries such as India are just now starting to get on board with using natural gas and developing their own production. Most of which is via use of cleaner and better extraction technologies than they would have if it was not for the US. This also applies to China, which recently just said they were going to increase coal usage by 15% I think it is.

Not to mention we have to continuously keep exploring in leases such as the ones just placed up for auction to maintain national security and the massive revenue stream it creates. A world of all electric cars, solar power, turbine energy is still a few decades away at the minimum. Anyone with some common sense realizes this, we have no infrastructure for such, we have no replacements for the revenue the government will be losing. At least there is someone in the Biden Administration that has enough sense to recognize this.

And yes the planes that travelled to the summit are important, it is about actions and not words. It is easy to travel to a summit on a private jet and talk the talk, but if people were serious they would be taking the steps to set an example for others to follow. Many of the planes that travelled there could have been adapted to run on SAF. But they aren't. People would take things more seriously if they didn't come across as "do as I say and not as I do."

Before you accuse someone else of drinking the kool-aid you need to watch out for what you are sipping on.

You must be some kind of special stupid.....