2020 4* WR Malcolm "The Jet" Johnson Commits to AU!

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35 minutes ago, tigerman1186 said:

Does Auburn have a scholarship available for 'Jet'???? I thought we were at our 85 limit???

yes

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1 hour ago, JFDTiger80 said:

The blond!

Her name is Ali Larter. Thank you whipped cream bikini!

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36 minutes ago, tigerman1186 said:

Does Auburn have a scholarship available for 'Jet'???? I thought we were at our 85 limit???

@tigerman1186 Justin Osborne leaving opened up room under both the 85 total limit & the yearly 25 limit.

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2 hours ago, ellitor said:

@tigerman1186 Justin Osborne leaving opened up room under both the 85 total limit & the yearly 25 limit.

Perhaps so. How a guy (Osborne) who signed in the class of 2019 and spent a year on the team can leave and that opens a spot under the 2020 annual limit of 25 when we've already signed 26 is math only the NCAA could explain.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Mikey

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8 hours ago, Mikey said:

Perhaps so. How a guy (Osborne) who signed in the class of 2019 and spent a year on the team can leave and that opens a spot under the 2020 annual limit of 25 when we've already signed 26 is math only the NCAA could explain.

@Mikey No. Not only they could explain it as I have already done so in this thread...

On 8/14/2020 at 9:30 AM, ellitor said:

The only other thing I can think of is we may have gotten to replace Osborne in the 2019 limit with a 2020 EE allowing MJJ count to 2020 since Osborne just transferred as a freshman.

I did some digging & found out this is indeed the case. Players who don't finish 1 full year at a school can have their spot on the 25 iniitial counter limit replaced.

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8 minutes ago, ellitor said:

@Mikey No. Not only they could explain it as I have already done so in this thread...

I did some digging & found out this is indeed the case. Players who don't finish 1 full year at a school can have their spot on the 25 iniitial counter limit replaced.

This is why E gets paid the big bucks!

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50 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

This is why E gets paid the big bucks!

Yep and bird gets nothing..............makes an old man happy

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1 hour ago, ellitor said:

I did some digging & found out this is indeed the case. Players who don't finish 1 full year at a school can have their spot on the 25 iniitial counter limit replaced.

So, the 2019 signee leaves school and that leaves a 2019 vacancy so one of the 2020 signees gets to move back and get called a 2019 signee instead of 2020 which opens a spot under the 2020 limit for a new guy to count back to 2020 instead of counting toward the 2021 limit. I suppose that makes sense to the NCAA, at some level.

I wonder why schools don't just kick kids who aren't panning out off the team after a year and replace them with new prospects and let the new prospects count toward prior years? It would be a simple thing to accomplish. If the annual 25 limit can be backed up two years and finagled as described above, this is a viable option.

 

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13 hours ago, JFDTiger80 said:

The blond!

Oh her...she's on The Rookie tv series now...Great smile...

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1 minute ago, Mikey said:

So, the 2019 signee leaves school and that leaves a 2019 vacancy so one of the 2020 signees gets to move back and get called a 2019 signee instead of 2020 which opens a spot under the 2020 limit for a new guy to count back to 2020 instead of counting toward the 2021 limit. I suppose that makes sense to the NCAA, at some level.

I wonder why schools don't just kick kids who aren't panning out off the team after a year and replace them with new prospects and let the new prospects count toward prior years? It would be a simple thing to accomplish. If the annual 25 limit can be backed up two years and finagled as described above, this is a viable option.

 

It's not being backed up two years. As you said, the 2019 signee left school, leaving a spot for one of the 2020 signees to count backwards, which leaves room for another 2020 signee. Johnson reclassified, so he is now a member of the 2020 class, and he signed during a time period in which only 2020 signees can sign. 

You see, he COULDN'T count to the 2021 limit and be on the team in 2020 since he was not unrecruited, like the punter we just picked up from Australia. Yes, it's following a path through loopholes, but it's still 2020, so Johnson isn't "counting back," he's just counted normal. If he were going to be a true freshman in 2021 yet still count in the 2020 class, you would have a point, but the only way he will be a true freshman in 2021 is if the SEC cancels the season and everyone's eligibility has a year added to it.

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8 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

It's not being backed up two years. As you said, the 2019 signee left school, leaving a spot for one of the 2020 signees to count backwards, which leaves room for another 2020 signee. Johnson reclassified, so he is now a member of the 2020 class, and he signed during a time period in which only 2020 signees can sign. 

You see, he COULDN'T count to the 2021 limit and be on the team in 2020 since he was not unrecruited, like the punter we just picked up from Australia. Yes, it's following a path through loopholes, but it's still 2020, so Johnson isn't "counting back," he's just counted normal. If he were going to be a true freshman in 2021 yet still count in the 2020 class, you would have a point, but the only way he will be a true freshman in 2021 is if the SEC cancels the season and everyone's eligibility has a year added to it.

Something that happened to a member of the 2019 class affected a prospect who, under normal conditions, would have been in the class of 2021 because 2020 was full. That's loop holing back two years, but whatever.

Now, the larger question is why schools aren't booting 2019 prospects who have proved disappointing off the team and replacing them with new prospects who are in Johnson's category. Surely, somebody has figured out this loophole?

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2 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Something that happened to a member of the 2019 class affected a prospect who, under normal conditions, would have been in the class of 2021 because 2020 was full. That's loop holing back two years, but whatever.

Now, the larger question is why schools aren't booting 2019 prospects who have proved disappointing off the team and replacing them with new prospects who are in Johnson's category. Surely, somebody has figured out this loophole?

Actually...I'm pretty sure Auburn fans gave Saban grief for running off scholarship players he didn't think were panning out so he could get more blue chip prospects. Of course, if you do that, then you get a reputation for it, and other teams can use it against you in negative recruiting and such, but still.

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1 minute ago, Rednilla said:

Actually...I'm pretty sure Auburn fans gave Saban grief for running off scholarship players he didn't think were panning out so he could get more blue chip prospects. Of course, if you do that, then you get a reputation for it, and other teams can use it against you in negative recruiting and such, but still.

That was under a different set of rules. Saban was simply clearing out spots under the 85 limit. Now that the annual 25 limit can be finagled as outlined above, a whole new can of worms has been opened.

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1 minute ago, Mikey said:

That was under a different set of rules. Saban was simply clearing out spots under the 85 limit. Now that the annual 25 limit can be finagled as outlined above, a whole new can of worms has been opened.

Well, part of the answer is that it's difficult to tell if a player is going to pan out or not in less than a year's time. Another part of the answer is that I doubt there are many players who can graduate high school a full year early in order to reclassify. If there ARE a lot of players who can graduate a full year early, then I'd say that changes the landscape more than the rigmarole you're talking about, because it pushes up the timeline of recruitment and adds a new variable in getting a player eligible.

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43 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I wonder why schools don't just kick kids who aren't panning out off the team after a year and replace them with new prospects and let the new prospects count toward prior years?

Bama & UGA have been. Some other schools probably consider it unethical to dump a kid, especially with less than a year of development.

 

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1 minute ago, Rednilla said:

Well, part of the answer is that it's difficult to tell if a player is going to pan out or not in less than a year's time. Another part of the answer is that I doubt there are many players who can graduate high school a full year early in order to reclassify. If there ARE a lot of players who can graduate a full year early, then I'd say that changes the landscape more than the rigmarole you're talking about, because it pushes up the timeline of recruitment and adds a new variable in getting a player eligible.

Re-classifying is a common happening in basketball. Go look at the basketball recruiting threads.

Osborne was here for more than a year. He came on campus in May of 2019, was on the team for a full season and just left recently. A team would have a year and a half to evaluate.

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35 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

It's not being backed up two years. As you said, the 2019 signee left school, leaving a spot for one of the 2020 signees to count backwards, which leaves room for another 2020 signee. Johnson reclassified, so he is now a member of the 2020 class, and he signed during a time period in which only 2020 signees can sign. 

You see, he COULDN'T count to the 2021 limit and be on the team in 2020 since he was not unrecruited, like the punter we just picked up from Australia. Yes, it's following a path through loopholes, but it's still 2020, so Johnson isn't "counting back," he's just counted normal. If he were going to be a true freshman in 2021 yet still count in the 2020 class, you would have a point, but the only way he will be a true freshman in 2021 is if the SEC cancels the season and everyone's eligibility has a year added to it.

1. Someone paid attention in Advanced Recruiting Rules 401.

2. I'm happy when others do my work for me.

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15 minutes ago, Mikey said:

That was under a different set of rules. Saban was simply clearing out spots under the 85 limit. Now that the annual 25 limit can be finagled as outlined above, a whole new can of worms has been opened.

He has cleared out freshmen for 25 limit spots. This rules has been around for a couple years at least.

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5 minutes ago, ellitor said:

He has cleared out freshmen for 25 limit spots. This rules has been around for a couple years at least.

 Replacing a freshman who doesn't make grades, etc, and never enrolled in school has been around. I don't remember sliding back and opening a slot by removing a guy who has spent a year on the team being used before.

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1 hour ago, augolf1716 said:

Yep and bird gets nothing..............makes an old man happy

I get the pleasure of your company...so like you said, nothing.

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7 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Osborne was here for more than a year. He came on campus in May of 2019

We don't know that. The time his name is placed in the transfer portal doesn't mean he stayed enrolled at AU through that point. He could have not taken Summer classes at all & that would meet the requirements for him not being enrolled at AU a full year. Also not sure if the May 2019 date is correct in terms of being on campus but he didn't enroll & start taking classes til July 1st per his 247 profile. July 1st in that case is when his time would have started in the NCAA's eyes in terms of academics.

Also Mikey this is the 3rd time this cycle we have bumped up an EE from the 2020 class to 2019. We did that when Cam'Ron Kelly & Charles Moore left & that allowed us to get Brandon Council & the QB Loy.

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6 minutes ago, Mikey said:

 Replacing a freshman who doesn't make grades, etc, and never enrolled in school has been around. I don't remember sliding back and opening a slot by removing a guy who has spent a year on the team being used before.

It hasn't been a year for Osborne or AU wouldn't be adding MJJ now. The NCAA has already approved the move for him to enroll & count in 2020. All that's left is a few loose ends with his high school this week.

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13 minutes ago, bigbird said:

I get the pleasure of your company...so like you said, nothing.

Agree and that makes an old man very happy

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2 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

Agree and that makes an old man very happy

So we're talking about Jet over in the Brooks thread and now we're talking about Viagra in the Jet thread? 2020, man. 

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8 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Viagra...Jet

It works. lol