Pro Wrestling Open Thread

[AuCivilEng1 11,810]

2 hours ago, GwillMac6 said:

lol you cannot be fuggin serious!!! Are you kidding me right now!? Word life John cena is by far the best cena and there isn’t a close second!!! WTF in your formative years led To you not being a fan of throwback jersey rapping and s*** talking cena!? We are the same freaking age and somehow have completely different opinions on jerrrrrrrrrn!!! It’s like you become a totally different person when cena comes up. Literally the only person in our age range who doesn’t agree ruthless aggression era cena isn’t the best version of him.

What can I say. I am a man of culture and class and you….well😏

[GwillMac6 20,849]

On 5/23/2024 at 6:09 PM, AuCivilEng1 said:

What can I say. I am a man of culture and class and you….well😏

 

[ArgoEagle 2,039]

Well guys I have a pretty slow day going at work, so I thought I would share some of my feelings about Pro Wrestling with you.

I guess I'm a throwback, but I loved wrestling back from the mid 90's to the mid 2000's when during that period you had the NWO formed on WCW, which caused Vince to create DX to compete & then open the Attitude ERA with Stone Cold, the Rock, and the Undertaker being the main players.

All those guys with both organizations had the looks, the attitudes, the charisma, and all knew how to work a crowd on the microphones.

I could not wait for Monday Nitro & Raw; flipping the channels back & forth during commercials and catching the drama from both programs, and then on Thursday Thunder & Friday Night Smackdown.   It was AWESOME!!!

Then Vince's HUGE EGO convinced him that he needed to get rid of the competition, so he bought out WCW & therefore pissed on all my enjoyment of Wrestling for good. (Although there was a period of about 8 years when Jeff Jarrett & Sting & a few others got together and formed TNA).  It brought back the stars which drew me to WCW in the first place and was pretty dang good up until people like Sting, Hogan, Hall and Nash, Ric Flair got too old to be in their prime any more and it faded out shortly after 2010 as I recall.

The younger wrestlers of today just don't do it for me.  The openings of the shows for WWE are just rinse & repeat every week.  The only thing different is you have a different wrestler come out to open the show every week; they talk for about 10 minutes & inevitably one of their enemies music comes over the loud speakers to interrupt the first one to come.  The original one to come out acts like they are surprised, and annoyed that someone would dare interrupt them.  Then after about 10 minutes of meaningless rhetoric the main event for the evening is miraculously created between the two, or maybe even three or four of them.  YAWN!!!!!

How about some creativity for the openings every once in a while.

Also I've figured out that if you don't actually want to watch the entire main event match, change your TV channel & watch another show until about 9:57 and then you can watch the actual ending of the match.   Until then you are just going to have a bunch of 2 counts & kick outs.    YAWN AGAIN!!!!!

There is about to be a documentary either on Vice or A&E TV Channel called What Killed WCW (something close to that title)

For me they should make a documentary called How Vince McMahan Killed My Wrestling Enjoyment

Rant Over;  Feel free to comment or criticize, or whatever

[AuCivilEng1 11,810]

1 hour ago, GwillMac6 said:

 

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2 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

Well guys I have a pretty slow day going at work, so I thought I would share some of my feelings about Pro Wrestling with you.

I guess I'm a throwback, but I loved wrestling back from the mid 90's to the mid 2000's when during that period you had the NWO formed on WCW, which caused Vince to create DX to compete & then open the Attitude ERA with Stone Cold, the Rock, and the Undertaker being the main players.

All those guys with both organizations had the looks, the attitudes, the charisma, and all knew how to work a crowd on the microphones.

I could not wait for Monday Nitro & Raw; flipping the channels back & forth during commercials and catching the drama from both programs, and then on Thursday Thunder & Friday Night Smackdown.   It was AWESOME!!!

Then Vince's HUGE EGO convinced him that he needed to get rid of the competition, so he bought out WCW & therefore pissed on all my enjoyment of Wrestling for good. (Although there was a period of about 8 years when Jeff Jarrett & Sting & a few others got together and formed TNA).  It brought back the stars which drew me to WCW in the first place and was pretty dang good up until people like Sting, Hogan, Hall and Nash, Ric Flair got too old to be in their prime any more and it faded out shortly after 2010 as I recall.

The younger wrestlers of today just don't do it for me.  The openings of the shows for WWE are just rinse & repeat every week.  The only thing different is you have a different wrestler come out to open the show every week; they talk for about 10 minutes & inevitably one of their enemies music comes over the loud speakers to interrupt the first one to come.  The original one to come out acts like they are surprised, and annoyed that someone would dare interrupt them.  Then after about 10 minutes of meaningless rhetoric the main event for the evening is miraculously created between the two, or maybe even three or four of them.  YAWN!!!!!

How about some creativity for the openings every once in a while.

Also I've figured out that if you don't actually want to watch the entire main event match, change your TV channel & watch another show until about 9:57 and then you can watch the actual ending of the match.   Until then you are just going to have a bunch of 2 counts & kick outs.    YAWN AGAIN!!!!!

There is about to be a documentary either on Vice or A&E TV Channel called What Killed WCW (something close to that title)

For me they should make a documentary called How Vince McMahan Killed My Wrestling Enjoyment

Rant Over;  Feel free to comment or criticize, or whatever

I think you got into the same boat with just about every diehard fan that grew up in 90s/2000s. Spurts here and there but I do think it's finally going in the right direction. AEW got me back into it (2019 was fire) when it started and despite losing its way a bit I still prefer it to the E these days but there are 2 options/styles for however a fan like it's Wrestling.  AEW big problem is not knowing how to create a running story consistently to tune in every week. They have stories but not underlying ones that carry out the full show in a given week.  They are trying to get the EVP thing going at least.  Also too many lazy booking decisions like eliminator matches, but I love the in ring action more. And I don't want it to all be the way WWE has always done it.  If so, I would watch the E. WWE is definitely a bigger spectacle.  Agreed that both have too many false finishes.  I cringe when needing 3 finishers to end it.  Wish it would get back to "you better not let them hit the finisher!" It is called a finisher for a reason lol.  It's fun to be a fan again though and I enjoy watching a show from any promotion.  I should do like someone I know advised me to and create a podcast so it would be my "Job" to watch every Wrestling out there.  Just not enough time.  NXT is trying to bring me back to it with their recent actions. Anyways thanks for the thoughts.  

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3 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

Well guys I have a pretty slow day going at work, so I thought I would share some of my feelings about Pro Wrestling with you.

I guess I'm a throwback, but I loved wrestling back from the mid 90's to the mid 2000's when during that period you had the NWO formed on WCW, which caused Vince to create DX to compete & then open the Attitude ERA with Stone Cold, the Rock, and the Undertaker being the main players.

All those guys with both organizations had the looks, the attitudes, the charisma, and all knew how to work a crowd on the microphones.

I could not wait for Monday Nitro & Raw; flipping the channels back & forth during commercials and catching the drama from both programs, and then on Thursday Thunder & Friday Night Smackdown.   It was AWESOME!!!

Then Vince's HUGE EGO convinced him that he needed to get rid of the competition, so he bought out WCW & therefore pissed on all my enjoyment of Wrestling for good. (Although there was a period of about 8 years when Jeff Jarrett & Sting & a few others got together and formed TNA).  It brought back the stars which drew me to WCW in the first place and was pretty dang good up until people like Sting, Hogan, Hall and Nash, Ric Flair got too old to be in their prime any more and it faded out shortly after 2010 as I recall.

The younger wrestlers of today just don't do it for me.  The openings of the shows for WWE are just rinse & repeat every week.  The only thing different is you have a different wrestler come out to open the show every week; they talk for about 10 minutes & inevitably one of their enemies music comes over the loud speakers to interrupt the first one to come.  The original one to come out acts like they are surprised, and annoyed that someone would dare interrupt them.  Then after about 10 minutes of meaningless rhetoric the main event for the evening is miraculously created between the two, or maybe even three or four of them.  YAWN!!!!!

How about some creativity for the openings every once in a while.

Also I've figured out that if you don't actually want to watch the entire main event match, change your TV channel & watch another show until about 9:57 and then you can watch the actual ending of the match.   Until then you are just going to have a bunch of 2 counts & kick outs.    YAWN AGAIN!!!!!

There is about to be a documentary either on Vice or A&E TV Channel called What Killed WCW (something close to that title)

For me they should make a documentary called How Vince McMahan Killed My Wrestling Enjoyment

Rant Over;  Feel free to comment or criticize, or whatever

I cut my teeth during the Monday Night Wars and I’ll tell you straight up that Vince didn’t kill WCW. WCW killed WCW. Read the Death of WCW by RD Reynolds and Brian Alvarez and it will tell you all you need to know.

Yeah Vince is a freaking psychopath and did more damage to the business than anyone else, but he’s gone now and someone that actually seems to appreciate the business is running things there. I have a lot of respect for Trips and how he’s doing things  

I was a huge WCW mark until the finger poke of doom then I was completely done with it. I luckily missed practically all of the train wreck that was Vince Russo because by that point I was all in on the attitude era.

I lost interest in the invasion era and the beginning of the ruthless aggression era and have only recently been sucked back in. Ironically enough it was Cornette that did the most to pull me back (make of that what you will), followed by WWE striking gold with the bloodline and now having finally gotten the ship righted creatively and I’m back to marking out and enjoying PPVs and not missing TV again lol.

AEW doesn’t interest me at all. The in ring work is good but their creative is basement level and I can’t lose myself in it at all. It’s just a bunch of marks watching people do high spots. 

[GwillMac6 20,849]

On 5/23/2024 at 6:09 PM, AuCivilEng1 said:

What can I say. I am a man of culture and class and you….well😏

 

[AuCivilEng1 11,810]

3 hours ago, GwillMac6 said:

 

I’m genuinely disappointed that you don’t understand how embarrassingly cringe this is. I mean the jorts past the knees should give it away before any of the music hits. If you want a badass trumpet inspired entrance, I got you dawg.

 

[GwillMac6 20,849]

46 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

I’m genuinely disappointed that you don’t understand how embarrassingly cringe this is. I mean the jorts past the knees should give it away before any of the music hits. If you want a badass trumpet inspired entrance, I got you dawg.

 

I’m genuinely embarrassed for you that you somehow don’t get word life and ruthless aggression Cena was cool as s***. Like how does that even happen for someone in our age bracket? Our demographic didn’t turn on him until he became pg era super cena. Like wtf were you doing back then hating on this really fun gimmick? Come on bruh!!! I used to think highly of you but not anymore. I question everything about your wrestling taste. SMH. A got damn shame.

Edited June 1 by GwillMac6

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Christ why are you two still going at it over a guy that hasn’t been the face of the promotion for close to a decade. 

[GwillMac6 20,849]

10 hours ago, AUDub said:

Christ why are you two still going at it over a guy that hasn’t been the face of the promotion for close to a decade. 

Because it’s fun. Why not? Why are you trying to gate keep? It’s just us 3 in here anyways. 

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On 6/2/2024 at 12:45 PM, GwillMac6 said:

Because it’s fun. Why not? Why are you trying to gate keep? It’s just us 3 in here anyways. 

Heh I like Cena. He could work and he could cut a promo with the best of them. It sucks that he was the face of the promotion in a down period but that’s not a reflection on him because he was one of the few that kept the crowd interested and the merch moving.

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Also Jey has the most over walk out in rasslin’

[GwillMac6 20,849]

21 hours ago, AUDub said:

Also Jey has the most over walk out in rasslin’

 

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What’s everyone think of NXT and TNA doing a crossover with Jordynne Grace. Personally I love it. TNA is a promotion on the ropes and it’s nice to see their champion being presented legitimately in WWE. 

[AUBwins 10,257]

1 hour ago, AUDub said:

What’s everyone think of NXT and TNA doing a crossover with Jordynne Grace. Personally I love it. TNA is a promotion on the ropes and it’s nice to see their champion being presented legitimately in WWE. 

Jordynne was the perfect person to begin this crossover as a TNA lifer. She's done so much for that company, great to see her get the spotlight

[Hay Field 101 650]

I will take the original NWO when they were called the 4 Horsemen. 

[ArgoEagle 2,039]

On 5/29/2024 at 7:37 PM, AUDub said:

I cut my teeth during the Monday Night Wars and I’ll tell you straight up that Vince didn’t kill WCW. WCW killed WCW. Read the Death of WCW by RD Reynolds and Brian Alvarez and it will tell you all you need to know.

Yeah Vince is a freaking psychopath and did more damage to the business than anyone else, but he’s gone now and someone that actually seems to appreciate the business is running things there. I have a lot of respect for Trips and how he’s doing things  

I was a huge WCW mark until the finger poke of doom then I was completely done with it. I luckily missed practically all of the train wreck that was Vince Russo because by that point I was all in on the attitude era.

I lost interest in the invasion era and the beginning of the ruthless aggression era and have only recently been sucked back in. Ironically enough it was Cornette that did the most to pull me back (make of that what you will), followed by WWE striking gold with the bloodline and now having finally gotten the ship righted creatively and I’m back to marking out and enjoying PPVs and not missing TV again lol.

AEW doesn’t interest me at all. The in ring work is good but their creative is basement level and I can’t lose myself in it at all. It’s just a bunch of marks watching people do high spots. 

I already knew that the demise of WCW keyed on several aspects.

The worst one was giving Hulk Hogan complete control of his matches outcomes.   HE could decide if he wanted to drop the belt or not; against who, where it could happen, and when it could happen.

The fingerpoint of death with Kevin Nash was THE MOST EMBARASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF WRESTLING IMHO.

Mixing Vince Russo & Eric Bischoff together to run WCW & make the major decisions for the company was like mixing dynamite & nitro glycerin & C4 all together & setting them off at the same time.

Also after Ted Turner sold out to Time Warner, I understand that Time Warner was totally against keeping wrestling as part of their organization, so they handcuffed everything WCW tried to accomplish.

Then there was bringing in Bret Hart & basically doing absolutely nothing to promote one of the hottest commodities in the world at that time.

Then they let nearly everyone on the roster join the NWO in one faction of the NWO or the other.

And the final nail in the coffin was Bash at the Beach 2000, which they made a documentary out of that Train Wreck!

But after pointing out all these determining factors, I believe the 2 key ones that really was the demise of the company was:

1.  Giving Hulk Hogan way too much control within the company

2.  Selling out to Time Warner

It still burns my butt that Vince McMahon bought out the company & then instead of using it"s potential assets,  letting it die out altogether.

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8 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

I already knew that the demise of WCW keyed on several aspects.

The worst one was giving Hulk Hogan complete control of his matches outcomes.   HE could decide if he wanted to drop the belt or not; against who, where it could happen, and when it could happen.

The fingerpoint of death with Kevin Nash was THE MOST EMBARASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF WRESTLING IMHO.

Mixing Vince Russo & Eric Bischoff together to run WCW & make the major decisions for the company was like mixing dynamite & nitro glycerin & C4 all together & setting them off at the same time.

Also after Ted Turner sold out to Time Warner, I understand that Time Warner was totally against keeping wrestling as part of their organization, so they handcuffed everything WCW tried to accomplish.

Then there was bringing in Bret Hart & basically doing absolutely nothing to promote one of the hottest commodities in the world at that time.

Then they let nearly everyone on the roster join the NWO in one faction of the NWO or the other.

And the final nail in the coffin was Bash at the Beach 2000, which they made a documentary out of that Train Wreck!

But after pointing out all these determining factors, I believe the 2 key ones that really was the demise of the company was:

1.  Giving Hulk Hogan way too much control within the company

2.  Selling out to Time Warner

 

Hulk gets some credit though because without him the WCW never gives the WWF a run for its money with arguably the greatest heel turn in wrestling history. 

It’s easier to ask “who?” didn’t have a hand in its death, but I’d say it all adds up from here.

1. HH pulling a “that’s not gonna work for me brother” and not jobbing clean for Sting at Starcade 1997. They had literally the perfect payoff for what may have very well been the hottest angle wrestling had ever seen and it went completely bonkers. It ruined Sting. They got lucky here though because they kept their momentum with Bill Goldberg.

2. Not being able to build up stars organically (Goldberg is a special case). They were sitting on gold with Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Rey. These guys had to go to the evil empire to get their deserved pushes. They should have been pushed to the moon in WCW but they’d rather let the NWO outlast its shelf life before letting these guys get out of the cruiserweight division. (Kevin Sullivan did try to retain Benoit by giving him the strap but couldn’t).

3. Screwing up Bill Goldberg and simultaneously reverting to the clapped out NWO with the Finger Poke of Doom. Jeez the despair I felt when that happened live. That was the catalyst that flipped me completely to the Fed.

4. Sh*t-Stain (Russo for the uninitiated) coming in and booking so completely balls to the wall crazy that the product would never get a chance to recover. Ratings, PPV buys, houses all tanked. Say what you will about Bischoff but he at least seems to have some respect for the business. Russo does not. “It’s just wrest-a-ling, bro!”

5. Kellner seeing just how much money WCW was losing thanks to the bad creative and dwindling audience allowing him to take a bad promotion out back and shoot it dead. Kellner couldn’t cancel a moneymaker, but the shitshow WCW had become not only made it possible, it made it reasonable.

8 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

It still burns my butt that Vince McMahon bought out the company & then instead of using it"s potential assets,  letting it die out altogether.

This is one of those examples of Vince being a complete dumbass. All the freaking money left on the table because he was too petty to put on the invasion properly. Just had to make it another lazy McMahon feud and he was so petty he’d never let a star he didn’t he think he made himself get over. 

Edited June 7 by AUDub

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Solo and KO tore the house down. What a good match. 

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Sheamus v Bron. 
 

Never in my life have I wanted something so badly and never realized it until right now.

It’s time for Bron’s secondary title push. He should be the one to take it off of Sammy. 

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Good match. Made Sheamus look strong AF and Bron a monster but not invincible  

One botch. I’ve no idea idea what is going on with WWE’s ropes these last few days but they’re causing botches left and right. Jade and Priest Saturday and Bron today. They saved it as best they could but that Frankensteiner would have been a hell of a high spot. 

Edited June 18 by AUDub

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Ah I still have a soft spot for the campy carny stuff lol. 

[AUBwins 10,257]

They could not have presented the Wyatt 6 any better.  That was a very good RAW, best I've seen in a long while.  Everything flowed. 

[AUBwins 10,257]

LOL. Jey keeping it real 😆