strength and conditioning

[aubiefifty 17,487]

i remember reading a few years back our s and c coach saying they did certain things in workouts to hopefully prevent injuries to the football team. has anything changed? i know out guy is supposed to be good so this is not a bash post. but i have been watching or listening to auburn football and i cannot EVER remember this many injuries at one time in my life. is it just pure bad luck? maybe we do not have the same depth as someone like bama? it just seems they get folks hurt and just keep on keeping on. is it possible some teams have an advantage on us by using different supps etc? sometimes it seems to me when we get a good run going we are cursed by something. i just wonder if i am missing anything? thanx

[lionheartkc 6,150]

All I know is that I was talking to my wife (Masters in Sports Medicine... was on the training staff at Missouri during college) about our situation, and her immediate response is that we needed to fire our strength and conditioning staff.

[keesler 5,934]

Gus hired Ryan Russell at Arky State as Head S&C Coach then brought him to AU in the same capacity.  

Gus says:

"He is on the cutting edge in the strength and conditioning profession, and is a high-tempo, high-energy guy who fits well with our philosophy. He's worked with very successful football programs and knows what it takes to get the most out of his athletes."

So, there you go!

 

[keesler 5,934]

2 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

All I know is that I was talking to my wife (Masters in Sports Medicine... was on the training staff at Missouri during college) about our situation, and her immediate response is that we needed to fire our strength and conditioning staff.

Can't do that - he is as attached to our HC as CRL.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

2 minutes ago, keesler said:

Can't do that - he is as attached to our HC as CRL.

Gus is going to have to start cutting ties if he wants a long career.

[lutzcammed 469]

He should hsve a very long career, in broadcasting.

[imaolgatiger 523]

Someone break down our injuries and explain how our strength an conditioning coach is responsible and what could have been done to keep them from happening. 

[lionheartkc 6,150]

1 hour ago, imaolgatiger said:

Someone break down our injuries and explain how our strength an conditioning coach is responsible and what could have been done to keep them from happening. 

UPDATE***

According to Don Best:
7 knees
4 shoulders
2 ankles
2 legs
1 appendix

Due to HIPPA laws, we don't know EXACTLY what is wrong with anyone, but we appear to have a lot of ankle, shoulder, knee, and leg in general injuries.  What the strength and conditioning coach should be doing is strengthening the muscles in areas that provide support for joints. There are basically 3 tasks for the strength and conditioning program... 1. make the players stronger in areas that help them perform (power, speed, etc) 2. condition the players for maximum stamina (make sure they can go all game without major drop-off) 3. strengthen the players in ways that help protect them from the rigors of the game. Failing on 3 and even a little on 2 can make players injury prone. Incidentally, overworking muscles to the point of fatigue can also make players injury prone (which makes it extra odd that our D is holding up, but our O is dropping like flies). It's not an easy task, but that's why specialists are paid so much.

No, a strength and conditioning program can't prevent every injury, but when you have 12 guys with injuries that are bad enough that they can't play at all anymore, 3 more who are questionable, and countless more who are having to play hurt, just so you can field a team... that points to a larger problem.

[keesler 5,934]

We aren't the only team with a mountain of injuries. Tennessee has battled a massive amount all season they could barely field a defense against UAT in mid-October, Florida had so many injuries in early October that they used Hurricane Matthew to reschedule their LSU match-up and now they will play the game in 2 days with a beat up squad and basically no DE's.  aTm's been beat up since the UAT game and now has no QB.

This is just par for the course in college football.  It's paramount for a coaching staff to have alternative plans ready to go when someone goes down.  

[Tigercj 242]

9 minutes ago, keesler said:

We aren't the only team with a mountain of injuries. Tennessee has battled a massive amount all season they could barely field a defense against UAT in mid-October, Florida had so many injuries in early October that they used Hurricane Matthew to reschedule their LSU match-up and now they will play the game in 2 days with a beat up squad and basically no DE's.  aTm's been beat up since the UAT game and now has no QB.

This is just par for the course in college football.  It's paramount for a coaching staff to have alternative plans ready to go when someone goes down.  

Injuries are part of football, some can be avoided some cannot. With proper strength and conditioning a lot of injuries can be avoided. We all know that Gus has never been able to develop a plan b, and will likely with the current staff be unable too. S and C is the framework in which you build your program on I am not sure ours at this point is very good.

[AuGrad2004 100]

Sometimes the injury bug hits and when it does it can really hurt a team.  Don't think much could've been done about it this year IMO

[Eagle Eye 7 2,535]

18 minutes ago, keesler said:

We aren't the only team with a mountain of injuries. Tennessee has battled a massive amount all season they could barely field a defense against UAT in mid-October, Florida had so many injuries in early October that they used Hurricane Matthew to reschedule their LSU match-up and now they will play the game in 2 days with a beat up squad and basically no DE's.  aTm's been beat up since the UAT game and now has no QB.

This is just par for the course in college football.  It's paramount for a coaching staff to have alternative plans ready to go when someone goes down.  

I agree but when you lose 1/4 of your team two things happen. 1. You have depth problems which means you no longer can rotate, which increases the likely-hood of more injuries. 2. You now are forced to use younger and less qualified players that have not been in the S&C program as long as juniors and seniors so they are also more prone to injuries. Another thing we are seeing is a lot of young players (freshmen) that have been called on to play and injured. But I do remember that in 2013 our S&C said that one reason for lack of injuries was that unlike most teams during the season they were continuing their program  but with just some lower reps. Anyone know if we have continued that process ? 

[auburn4ever 1,266]

Clemson, Texas A&M and Georgia has that didn't have that look like they were warn out. However, our guys have looked gassed by the 3 quarter. Do we need to hire a new S and C coach?

[lionheartkc 6,150]

22 minutes ago, keesler said:

We aren't the only team with a mountain of injuries. Tennessee has battled a massive amount all season they could barely field a defense against UAT in mid-October, Florida had so many injuries in early October that they used Hurricane Matthew to reschedule their LSU match-up and now they will play the game in 2 days with a beat up squad and basically no DE's.  aTm's been beat up since the UAT game and now has no QB.

This is just par for the course in college football.  It's paramount for a coaching staff to have alternative plans ready to go when someone goes down.  

While, yes, they are all beat up... none of them have close to the number of guys who are out for the season/indefinitely as Auburn (Florida and Tennessee both have 5 to our 12). Certainly no other team is having to convert their starting nickleback to running back.

Honestly most of Tennessee's problem isn't injury... they had 2 bail and kicked one off mid season.

[aubiefifty 17,487]

ok what about mr pettway? i have been afraid we have run him too much and that might have contributed to his injury? i am seriously asking and not a troll because some of this stuff i seldom if ever see discussed like s and c coaching. but it does appear if we are set up to help lessons our kids injuries maybe we need to reevaluate something. i would think gus and folks have looked into our conditioning. i just know dye would would bring hell in camps and practice. it just seems he would have had more injuries than we do now. and i read it was so bad at his practices that when some of the kids went pro is was like a vacation. maybe we know more about injuries and pretreat them more? i know i am all over the place but i am not sure how to say it without looking like i am trolling which i am not. i really do appreciate any explanations. hell maybe it is just a freak year but it is not normal that i can tell..............

[lionheartkc 6,150]

26 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

ok what about mr pettway? i have been afraid we have run him too much and that might have contributed to his injury? 

Yes, Pettway's injury could very well be fatigue related. 

[aubiefifty 17,487]

now this worries me. way more than the jawja loss and i detest them. i felt after the kids 39 carries they would have rested him or t the least more than they did. shrugs but i am old and i do get fooled in what i believe sometimes. do we sub enough?

[lionheartkc 6,150]

1 minute ago, aubiefifty said:

now this worries me. way more than the jawja loss and i detest them. i felt after the kids 39 carries they would have rested him or t the least more than they did. shrugs but i am old and i do get fooled in what i believe sometimes. do we sub enough?

Hard to sub when #2 is nursing a high ankle sprain and #3 is out with an injury...

[Tiger 8,835]

Totally pointless to give him 66 carries over the span of 2 weeks when we outscored our opponents 94-17 with both games being competitively over at halftime. 

 

Staff must've really been wanting to add another notch in their 1000 yard rusher belt...

[lionheartkc 6,150]

1 minute ago, Tiger said:

Totally pointless to give him 66 carries over the span of 2 weeks when we outscored our opponents 94-17 with both games being competitively over at halftime. 

Valid point... would have been a great opportunity to get Kam Martin more experience.

[Win4AU 4,055]

Agree with Pettway being an overuse injury.  Sean was being driven into the ground.  High ankle sprains are just bad luck.  Auburn's d looked gassed because they were on the field the majority of the 2nd half against UGA and all of Vandy.  Vandy had a 10 minute TOP advantage at the end of the 1st half due to lack of execution on the offensive side.

[corchjay 5,311]

Young men.  Very young men in oversized bodies with elite speed being tackled from the waist down.  That's football now.  Linebackers come into college at 6'3" 230 and run 4.6 40s.   That size would have been an offensive guard 25 years ago and run 5.5 40s. 

Specialized training and strength development is great but these elite players at this level are you to big and to fast for their young and still growing bodies.

Also have to factor in using shoulders now for tackling and hitting lower on the body.  The technique is now shoulder to the outside hip.  Before it was facemask to the chest.  So the decision has been made to make the game safer for head injuries and by that you will see more shoulder/hip/knee/ankle injuries.

[Gibson SG 88]

First off, ankle injuries have nothing to do with S & C.  If you step on someone's foot or get rolled up, I don't care how in shape you are, it's going to hurt you.  The only injury that I can think of that may be S & C related is Pettway's.  But, it was probably more due to overuse or could have just been a freak thing. 

The other injuries, except for the knees, are more than likely due to technique.  Don't even get me started with the appendix.

Russell was at Auburn prior to Arky State and he learned from Yox.  I don't think any of our injuries have to do with our S & C program.

Now, the point was brought up about Dye's spring and preseason practices being brutal.  Tubby's were just as bad.  Remember, he had them practicing on the drill field one season because he thought they were not tough enough to practice on the actual practice fields.

As far as UAT goes, we all know how they keep their players healthy, and it ain't a great S & C program.  Their health comes from a bottle, if you know what I mean.  Either Cochrane is an innovator the likes that has never been seen before, or it is artificially done.  I tend to go with the latter.

[JDUBB4AU 5,138]

2 hours ago, auburn4ever said:

Clemson, Texas A&M and Georgia has that didn't have that look like they were warn out. However, our guys have looked gassed by the 3 quarter. Do we need to hire a new S and C coach?

Easy this is a sensitive subject on this board. 

[bigbird 60,624]

27 minutes ago, corchjay said:

Also have to factor in using shoulders now for tackling and hitting lower on the body.  The technique is now shoulder to the outside hip.  Before it was facemask to the chest.  So the decision has been made to make the game safer for head injuries and by that you will see more shoulder/hip/knee/ankle injuries.

Good ole Hawk tackling.