Lack of experience on offense

[AUbritt 611]

I guess that 4 year starting center didn't snap the ball into his butt and cause a fumble that cost us a chance at winning the game against aTm last year.

My point was that with all the inexperience that was on the field this year, AU still could have won a few games with just a few more plays going its way (good luck or good play). AU obviously needs more experience and better depth, but even with experience luck still plays a roll in winning or losing.

Of course it does.

Stat's point is just that having more experience often correlates with winning. He's not saying that having more experience guarantees winning. But, all other things being equal, it's better to have more than less experience.

[McLoofus 35,182]

I guess that 4 year starting center didn't snap the ball into his butt and cause a fumble that cost us a chance at winning the game against aTm last year.

You picked one high profile mistake out of 4 years. Cool.

AU obviously needs more experience and better depth

Cool. Glad you agree. Not sure what the other stuff was about.

[Tiger 8,864]

Stat warned us about this season with these numbers which, historically, is the strongest indicator of what the AU team will look like for the upcoming season. Yet some people still didn't want to buy the facts and decided to buy the hype instead and then unleash their disappointment on certain players because they didn't live up to their expectations with no regard to the numbers. Give these guys time to grow while playing IN games. As everyone could see, we had guys in the system for a few years but only few of them got significant playing time. That being said, this team just flat out did not make the plays to win games. We just didn't do it. The players need to learn how to win and I am expecting a few of those close games to bounce our way next season and the following year if our 20 game/30 game experience continues to grow. I think next year based on the experience numbers we hit around 9 wins. Of course there is a lot that can transpire that could affect our experience numbers in the coming months but if nobody declares early or transfers out I think we could be a very solid team next year.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Stat warned us about this season with these numbers which, historically, is the strongest indicator of what the AU team will look like for the upcoming season. Yet some people still didn't want to buy the facts and decided to buy the hype instead and then unleash their disappointment on certain players because they didn't live up to their expectations with no regard to the numbers. Give these guys time to grow while playing IN games. As everyone could see, we had guys in the system for a few years but only few of them got significant playing time. That being said, this team just flat out did not make the plays to win games. We just didn't do it. The players need to learn how to win and I am expecting a few of those close games to bounce our way next season and the following year if our 20 game/30 game experience continues to grow. I think next year based on the experience numbers we hit around 9 wins. Of course there is a lot that can transpire that could affect our experience numbers in the coming months but if nobody declares early or transfers out I think we could be a very solid team next year.

This guy...

...is totally right.

[DAG 35,152]

Well Ginn for the Panthers is second in the league in drops....

Yes, he is and if he didn't have top level speed nor wasn't get paid next to nothing, he wouldn't be in the league (Darius Heyward bey). Did somebody really compare Ginn, Mike Evans and Thomas to Ricardo Louis? Wow.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Well Ginn for the Panthers is second in the league in drops....

Yes, he is and if he didn't have top level speed nor wasn't get paid next to nothing, he wouldn't be in the league (Darius Heyward bey). Did somebody really compare Ginn, Mike Evans and Thomas to Ricardo Louis? Wow.

Way to leave out Hankerson.

My point was that people crap on Louis to a ridiculous and highly ignorant degree because he dropped some balls. That's when I laugh at this idiotic "family" crap that Auburn fans like to go around beating their chests about. If you look at Ricardo Louis's career at Auburn and all you come away with is that he dropped some footballs, then you're truly bad at being a football fan.

[DAG 35,152]

Well Ginn for the Panthers is second in the league in drops....

Yes, he is and if he didn't have top level speed nor wasn't get paid next to nothing, he wouldn't be in the league (Darius Heyward bey). Did somebody really compare Ginn, Mike Evans and Thomas to Ricardo Louis? Wow.

Way to leave out Hankerson.

My point was that people crap on Louis to a ridiculous and highly ignorant degree because he dropped some balls. That's when I laugh at this idiotic "family" crap that Auburn fans like to go around beating their chests about. If you look at Ricardo Louis's career at Auburn and all you come away with is that he dropped some footballs, then you're truly bad at being a football fan.

Let me add Hankerson to that list. Feel better? It is still a terrible comparison. I am grateful for what Ricardo Louis as done at AU, but I definitely do NOT want him as a Carolina Panther.

[Tiger 8,864]

I'll still forever respect Ricardo for the 2013 UGA game. He balled out for that entire game. He also had a huge game to help us beat Kentucky this season. Funny enough that game could be used as a snapshot of his career. Fantastic moments coupled with underwhelming ones.He made a huge leap this year in terms of being a true WR. We didn't limit him to screens and sweeps as we did his first 3 years which probably set him back some. He made some great catches and missed some bad ones, I'll admit -- and I'm sure he feels more pain about it than all of us on here combined.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Let me add Hankerson to that list. Feel better?

Cute.

It is still a terrible comparison.

Again, I wasn't actually comparing him to those guys. My point is still that people are ignoring Louis's substantial athleticism and other talents. No, he's not as big as Evans or as fast as Ginn or as good of a receiver as Thomas, but he's still a big, strong dude who is actually quite good with the ball in his hands.

I am grateful for what Ricardo Louis as done at AU, but I definitely do NOT want him as a Carolina Panther.

You're certainly entitled to that opinion, particularly as a fan of the team with easily the worst WR corps in the NFL as long as Benjamin's hurt. Carolina more than any other team needs to draft a WR in the first 2 rounds and needs to hit on that pick. But Louis is as good as a lot of guys in the NFL- with a better head on his shoulders than many- and is a legit day 2 pick. Your comments haven't been particularly insulting to the guy, but some others have, and it's a shame.

[Tiger 8,864]

Although Ginn drops lots of passes, it's the threat of him being able to burn anybody on the field deep that is his TRUE asset because teams have to account for it. They will not bank on him dropping a pass. Similar to Coates at AU. He didn't catch as many as we would've liked his last season but man just the threat of him running deep helped the entire offense out because teams had to make sure to keep an eye on Sammie.

[cole256 17,085]

I agree with loof. We jump all over our players. I think it's because people are too emotional on here really. And so over reactive good and bad. They see one play and then they run with it. If it's a drop or fumble....worst players ever. If it's a good play, oh they are one of the best in the SEC....

You can actually see it when it's time for people to come out and be drafted....oh our guys won't even get drafted at all if they come out because they gave up a sack or got a holding call twice. Or this guy has dropped passes he'll never play. Then it comes out they are high draft candidates and I think since they already talked crap and don't want to be wrong they just commit to their previous thoughts so it's I can't believe a team would actually want them....these are guys who played for our school

[cole256 17,085]

Although Ginn drops lots of passes, it's the threat of him being able to burn anybody on the field deep that is his TRUE asset because teams have to account for it. They will not bank on him dropping a pass. Similar to Coates at AU. He didn't catch as many as we would've liked his last season but man just the threat of him running deep helped the entire offense out because teams had to make sure to keep an eye on Sammie.

I've taught you well grass hopper....you're coming along

[McLoofus 35,182]

I agree with loof. We jump all over our players. I think it's because people are too emotional on here really. And so over reactive good and bad. They see one play and then they run with it. If it's a drop or fumble....worst players ever. If it's a good play, oh they are one of the best in the SEC....

You can actually see it when it's time for people to come out and be drafted....oh our guys won't even get drafted at all if they come out because they gave up a sack or got a holding call twice. Or this guy has dropped passes he'll never play. Then it comes out they are high draft candidates and I think since they already talked crap and don't want to be wrong they just commit to their previous thoughts so it's I can't believe a team would actually want them....these are guys who played for our school

#family

[Tiger 8,864]

Although Ginn drops lots of passes, it's the threat of him being able to burn anybody on the field deep that is his TRUE asset because teams have to account for it. They will not bank on him dropping a pass. Similar to Coates at AU. He didn't catch as many as we would've liked his last season but man just the threat of him running deep helped the entire offense out because teams had to make sure to keep an eye on Sammie.

I've taught you well grass hopper....you're coming along

lolol i know you were a big Sammie fan but some people fail to grasp the concept of a player's threat to a defense is worth quite a bit but people seem to only focus on production. But I guess if someone has never played sports it's not as easy to grasp.

[cole256 17,085]

I was a big Sammie fan but I was more talking about you recognizing the threat of him taking the top off a defense and how valuable it is. Even if he don't catch a pass it helps everybody out

[DAG 35,152]

Let me add Hankerson to that list. Feel better?

Cute.

It is still a terrible comparison.

Again, I wasn't actually comparing him to those guys. My point is still that people are ignoring Louis's substantial athleticism and other talents. No, he's not as big as Evans or as fast as Ginn or as good of a receiver as Thomas, but he's still a big, strong dude who is actually quite good with the ball in his hands.

I am grateful for what Ricardo Louis as done at AU, but I definitely do NOT want him as a Carolina Panther.

You're certainly entitled to that opinion, particularly as a fan of the team with easily the worst WR corps in the NFL as long as Benjamin's hurt. Carolina more than any other team needs to draft a WR in the first 2 rounds and needs to hit on that pick. But Louis is as good as a lot of guys in the NFL- with a better head on his shoulders than many- and is a legit day 2 pick. Your comments haven't been particularly insulting to the guy, but some others have, and it's a shame.

You realize Ted Ginn was never meant to be the #1 guy (he legitimately is a #3 WR and a ST specialist)? It just fell to his lap. Ted Ginn is still one of the fastest guys in the NFL, hence why he still can play in the NFL. Louis does not have that speed. Sammie Coates does and he will remain in the NFL as long as he keeps his speed. Guess what? If Neno were to get hurt, the steelers may have to rely on a Coates. Not because he has Jerry Rice hands, but because you can be sure he can, at least, make one explosive play with the ball in his hands. There is a 50/50 chance Ted will catch the ball, but there is a 100 percent chance he will have at least 1 explosive play with the ball in his hands. I cannot say that with Ricardo Louis. I like Ricardo Louis, I really do, but you are off your rocker to even use those guys you named as a point of emphasis with RL. Every one of those guys was distinguished at their position in college. No, I do not think RL is better than a Philly Brown (Great route runner), Jerricho Cotchery (Best hands on the team besides Greg Olsen), or Ted Ginn Jr (Fastest guy on the field). That is just my opinion as Sports fan but specifically a Carolina Panther fan. I think RL is a good athlete, but an above average WR at the college level. I am sure he will find a team to pick him up, I just hope it is not my panthers.

[Tiger 8,864]

I was a big Sammie fan but I was more talking about you recognizing the threat of him taking the top off a defense and how valuable it is. Even if he don't catch a pass it helps everybody out

Yeah man. It opens lots of things up for everyone else.

[McLoofus 35,182]

You realize Ted Ginn was never meant to be the #1 guy

I'd think that me mentioning Benjamin covered that.

Ted Ginn is still one of the fastest guys in the NFL, hence why he still can play in the NFL. Louis does not have that speed.

I'd think that me mentioning that Louis isn't as fast as Ginn would have covered that.

Sammie Coates does and he will remain in the NFL as long as he keeps his speed. Guess what? If Neno were to get hurt, the steelers may have to rely on a Coates. Not because he has Jerry Rice hands, but because you can be sure he can, at least, make one explosive play with the ball in his hands.

Yes, I know how these things work. I told a lot of incredulous #family members that Corey Grant would get drafted specifically because of his elite speed.

It's funny, though. You keep hammering this idea that these guys with elite speed get to be WR1 (Ginn) or might get to play at all (Coates) because of injury. All I've said is that Ricardo will get drafted and might get to play.

There is a 50/50 chance Ted will catch the ball, but there is a 100 percent chance he will have at least 1 explosive play with the ball in his hands. I cannot say that with Ricardo Louis.

Yes, that became true of Ginn this year. He's been a joke in the NFL until now. Compare the teams they're on. Consider the Auburn teams that Ricardo has played for.

you are off your rocker to even use those guys you named as a point of emphasis with RL.

Welp, if you didn't get my point after the first two tries, I'm not going to get through now.

No, I do not think RL is better than a Philly Brown (Great route runner), Jared Cotchery (Best hands on the team besides Greg Olsen)

Okay. If he had 2015 Cam Newton throwing him the ball, I think he could be.

Regardless, back to my original point- last time, I promise: Ricardo Louis is a better football player than a lot of Auburn fans give him credit for being, like *so* many Auburn players before him, and I'll bet that he shows out at the combine and gets himself into a camp next fall.

[DAG 35,152]

You realize Ted Ginn was never meant to be the #1 guy

I'd think that me mentioning Benjamin covered that.

Ted Ginn is still one of the fastest guys in the NFL, hence why he still can play in the NFL. Louis does not have that speed.

I'd think that me mentioning that Louis isn't as fast as Ginn would have covered that.

Sammie Coates does and he will remain in the NFL as long as he keeps his speed. Guess what? If Neno were to get hurt, the steelers may have to rely on a Coates. Not because he has Jerry Rice hands, but because you can be sure he can, at least, make one explosive play with the ball in his hands.

Yes, I know how these things work. I told a lot of incredulous #family members that Corey Grant would get drafted specifically because of his elite speed.

It's funny, though. You keep hammering this idea that these guys with elite speed get to be WR1 (Ginn) or might get to play at all (Coates) because of injury. All I've said is that Ricardo will get drafted and might get to play.

There is a 50/50 chance Ted will catch the ball, but there is a 100 percent chance he will have at least 1 explosive play with the ball in his hands. I cannot say that with Ricardo Louis.

Yes, that became true of Ginn this year. He's been a joke in the NFL until now. Compare the teams they're on. Consider the Auburn teams that Ricardo has played for.

you are off your rocker to even use those guys you named as a point of emphasis with RL.

Welp, if you didn't get my point after the first two tries, I'm not going to get through now.

No, I do not think RL is better than a Philly Brown (Great route runner), Jared Cotchery (Best hands on the team besides Greg Olsen)

Okay. If he had 2015 Cam Newton throwing him the ball, I think he could be.

Regardless, back to my original point- last time, I promise: Ricardo Louis is a better football player than a lot of Auburn fans give him credit for being, like *so* many Auburn players before him, and I'll bet that he shows out at the combine and gets himself into a camp next fall.

Yeah, I never said RL wasn't a good player nor that he wouldn't find a camp. Oh trust me he will. I don't think he will get drafted. I think he will sign as an undrafted free agent. I was just baffled that you compared RL dropping passes in the same light as Ginn, Thomas, Hankerson, etc. Those guys all were drafted reasonably high, all see the field, all distinguishable players at their college. I don't think RL will get drafted. I don't think he will make a living on a NFL team as a WR. STs, yes probably so. Practice squad? Good chance. But to equate a Ginn dropping a pass to RL as to why you can see him getting drafted is asinine. RL might not even see the field in the NFL to be in the discussing of dropped passes. What are you even talking about? THAT was my biggest beef.

Ricardo was a great team guy and is an outstanding athlete. I won't be surprised if he's getting paid to play by somebody next year.

Demaryious Thomas, Leonard Hankerson, Mike Evans... all guys who get paid a lot of money to drop as many balls as Ricardo did.

These are your words. You really going to sit here and deny that you weren't using them as a comparison.

RL does not have the juice to get away with dropping passes and thinking he can get drafted. You keep saying he is big, fast, strong, etc. Guess what? So is everyone else at the combine. That is never enough. One thing he has going for him though is he did catch the UGA hail mary and that will be a good talking point, if he can add respectable combine numbers.

What does catching a pass from Cam Newton have to do with anything? SW threw some pretty good passes to RL.

[McLoofus 35,182]

But to equate a Ginn dropping a pass to RL as to why you can see him getting drafted is asinine. RL might not even see the field in the NFL to be in the discussing of dropped passes. What are you even talking about?

Oh, Jesus. You're really not going to get it. Nevermind. Carolina's got the best WR corps in football. Ricardo couldn't hold Brent Bersin's jock.

What does catching a pass from Cam Newton have to do with anything? SW threw some pretty good passes to RL.

And if Sean White had thrown as many good passes to Ricardo as Cam has been throwing to all of his receivers this season, then Ricardo's stats would be pretty good. Surely you can see this? Ricardo has played in all of 3 games in his entire career where he had a competent quarterback throwing the ball in a balanced offense. Guess what his stat lines were in those games? 7 catches for 154 yards (Kentucky), 6 catches for 79 yards (Arkansas) and 4 catches for 134 yard and a touchdown (Ole Miss). Now imagine if Sean had been QB1 going back to fall camp and had stayed healthy all season. Imagine we didn't have an offense in 2013 and 2014 that ran the ball 75%. Imagine 2012 never happened. <--Has nothing to do with the debate. I just recommend that all Auburn fans pretend 2012 never happened.

Really don't know why I'm arguing with you, because you're not even arguing against what I was initially saying.

[DAG 35,152]

But to equate a Ginn dropping a pass to RL as to why you can see him getting drafted is asinine. RL might not even see the field in the NFL to be in the discussing of dropped passes. What are you even talking about?

Oh, Jesus. You're really not going to get it. Nevermind. Carolina's got the best WR corps in football. Ricardo couldn't hold Brent Bersin's jock.

What does catching a pass from Cam Newton have to do with anything? SW threw some pretty good passes to RL.

And if Sean White had thrown as many good passes to Ricardo as Cam has been throwing to all of his receivers this season, then Ricardo's stats would be pretty good. Surely you can see this? Ricardo has played in all of 3 games in his entire career where he had a competent quarterback throwing the ball in a balanced offense. Guess what his stat lines were in those games? 7 catches for 154 yards (Kentucky), 6 catches for 79 yards (Arkansas) and 4 catches for 134 yard and a touchdown (Ole Miss). Now imagine if Sean had been QB1 going back to fall camp and had stayed healthy all season. Imagine we didn't have an offense in 2013 and 2014 that ran the ball 75%. Imagine 2012 never happened. <--Has nothing to do with the debate. I just recommend that all Auburn fans pretend 2012 never happened.

Really don't know why I'm arguing with you, because you're not even arguing against what I was initially saying.

Wow. So what happened in the Arkansas game? What about the UK game? He had drops there too. Good throws BTW. Cam Newtons don't grow on trees.

You put his catch numbers but conveniently you didn't add the drops. Let me let you on another secret. He won't be facing the likes of Arkansas, Kentucky, etc in the NFL. Sammie Coates had over 900 receiving yards in 2013. Both him and Duke had over 700 yards in 2014. Are You really trying to blame the offense? You think maybe the coaches realized RL was not fit to be the #1 option at receiver and his skills were more better utilized at screens, sweeps and the occasional deep pass? NM wasn't a competent QB? Really?!

No, RL is NOT better than those guys. I know that hurts your feelings, but it is the truth.

You know Brenton Bersin was signed as a practice squad guy?! He is not truly in the mix for receivers at Carolina. You just went from saying

Ricardo was a great team guy and is an outstanding athlete. I won't be surprised if he's getting paid to play by somebody next year.

Demaryious Thomas, Leonard Hankerson, Mike Evans... all guys who get paid a lot of money to drop as many balls as Ricardo did.

^^^^^ That is a comparison btw.

To comparing RL to a guy who was a UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT, who got signed off the practice squad. I literally just said I don't think RL will get drafted and will make is living off practice squad or STs. You are too ignorant to realize you just agreed with me after making one of the most Asinine statements I have ever seen.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Hahaha, man. Okay, cool. It's really, truly no skin off my back if somebody else walks away from a message board argument thinking they won it. So by all means, congrats.

Anyway, Stat, I look forward to seeing the 2016 preseason edition of this. Should look a little better than this year's.

[DAG 35,152]

Hahaha, man. Okay, cool. It's really, truly no skin off my back if somebody else walks away from a message board argument thinking they won it. So by all means, congrats.

Anyway, Stat, I look forward to seeing the 2016 preseason edition of this. Should look a little better than this year's.

You are right. I apologize man. I agree with you that RL is an outstanding you man and a great athlete.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Hahaha, man. Okay, cool. It's really, truly no skin off my back if somebody else walks away from a message board argument thinking they won it. So by all means, congrats.

Anyway, Stat, I look forward to seeing the 2016 preseason edition of this. Should look a little better than this year's.

You are right. I apologize man. I agree with you that RL is an outstanding you man and a great athlete.

No apologies necessary at all. A lot of my conversations go down this road, so I must be giving as good as I get, lol. I look forward to our next one, because it seems you know more about football than most of the folks I argue with.

Cheers and WDE

[cole256 17,085]

Glad that's done, you're two of the better posters on here, I was about to have to tell you two to take this to pm's....I didn't want to flex my muscles