Will Muschamp (Combined Thread)

[AUbritt 611]

How do we find our past posts outside of the most recent 5 posts? I'm interested in seeing what exactly I wrote about Gus' hire because its looking increasingly closer and closer to confirming what the red flags were all about.

Player attitude/culture that Chiz allowed and not having a 100% clean break of that. I mean Gus was here as it festered.

His history of not handling player disclipline properly

Gus having no experience at a high level as a HC

Hiring freaking unqualified Lashlee as OC

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LOL

You want help finding ammo for an 'I-told-you-so'?

hahaha more interested in seeing what my "vocal" opinion was at the time as opposed to looking at it in hindsight. I'm not Cole always looking to tell ppl I was right lolol just jokes

Well to do that first you'd have to be bold and stand your ground when you have an unpopular opinion, then you have to be able to endure ridicule when everybody is against you, THEN and most importantly you'd have to be right....the last part is where you'd have to take a seat....

[aujeff11 6,243]

How do we find our past posts outside of the most recent 5 posts? I'm interested in seeing what exactly I wrote about Gus' hire because its looking increasingly closer and closer to confirming what the red flags were all about.

Player attitude/culture that Chiz allowed and not having a 100% clean break of that. I mean Gus was here as it festered.

His history of not handling player disclipline properly

Gus having no experience at a high level as a HC

Hiring freaking unqualified Lashlee as OC

:/

LOL

You want help finding ammo for an 'I-told-you-so'?

hahaha more interested in seeing what my "vocal" opinion was at the time as opposed to looking at it in hindsight. I'm not Cole always looking to tell ppl I was right lolol just jokes

Well to do that first you'd have to be bold and stand your ground when you have an unpopular opinion, then you have to be able to endure ridicule when everybody is against you, THEN and most importantly you'd have to be right....the last part is where you'd have to take a seat.... :)/>

Nice.

[Strychnine 1,808]

I would honestly be willing to bet that it has less to do with recruiting and more to do with the constant input into the program from people who are not on staff... like certain former coaches and members of the board. If Will can get that fixed, his next steak dinner is on me.

Folks with good reputations around here have said that this is exactly what has hampered every DC since Tubs left (it's telling that Tubs had such a contentious relationship with the PTB). It was also said that Muschamp addressed this before agreeing to come on board. Looking at the product on the field this season, it doesn't seem to me that he suffered from whatever afflicted Johnson, Van Gorder and Roof. So I'm skeptical right now of the "meddling" theory.

The on field "meddling" may have been quelled, but all you have to do is hang around Auburn during the season and you see that they are still lurking in the background, making their presence known. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were still trying to direct certain things not related to the actual games.

One would think that if meddling were (or had been) the case, someone would have come to understand that said meddling is not having a positive impact on the program or on-field results.

[PotPot 170]

First, I am not in panic mode nor in melt down status and my doctor assures me that I'm not crazy, but....at this point, do we even want Muschamp back for next season? Coaching acumen aside, how does this circus affect recruiting? And it will be exactly the same next year. If/when Muschamp leaves, especially if for head coach position, he very likely takes TRob with him. Should we attempt to cut our losses and beat him and others to the punch by offering the DC position to TRob now?

[AUDub 11,974]

How do we find our past posts outside of the most recent 5 posts? I'm interested in seeing what exactly I wrote about Gus' hire because its looking increasingly closer and closer to confirming what the red flags were all about.

Player attitude/culture that Chiz allowed and not having a 100% clean break of that. I mean Gus was here as it festered.

His history of not handling player disclipline properly

Gus having no experience at a high level as a HC

Hiring freaking unqualified Lashlee as OC

:/

LOL

You want help finding ammo for an 'I-told-you-so'?

More interested in seeing what my "vocal" opinion was at the time as opposed to looking at it in hindsight. I'm not Cole always looking to tell ppl I was right lolol just jokes

I think it's homersapien who's kind of a savant at finding old posts over on the Political Forum. You might PM him and ask for the secret.

Actually, that's me. I'm a black belt at Google-Fu.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

I would honestly be willing to bet that it has less to do with recruiting and more to do with the constant input into the program from people who are not on staff... like certain former coaches and members of the board. If Will can get that fixed, his next steak dinner is on me.

Folks with good reputations around here have said that this is exactly what has hampered every DC since Tubs left (it's telling that Tubs had such a contentious relationship with the PTB). It was also said that Muschamp addressed this before agreeing to come on board. Looking at the product on the field this season, it doesn't seem to me that he suffered from whatever afflicted Johnson, Van Gorder and Roof. So I'm skeptical right now of the "meddling" theory.

The on field "meddling" may have been quelled, but all you have to do is hang around Auburn during the season and you see that they are still lurking in the background, making their presence known. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were still trying to direct certain things not related to the actual games.

10-4. I certainly am not around the program or campus, so I'm willing to listen to anybody who is.

I was only there for 1 game and was immediately confronted with "he who the field was named after", as he was being treated as football royalty. He spoke to the alumni and made it very obvious that he is still completely plugged into the inner workings of the program.

[Tiger 8,862]

How do we find our past posts outside of the most recent 5 posts? I'm interested in seeing what exactly I wrote about Gus' hire because its looking increasingly closer and closer to confirming what the red flags were all about.

Player attitude/culture that Chiz allowed and not having a 100% clean break of that. I mean Gus was here as it festered.

His history of not handling player disclipline properly

Gus having no experience at a high level as a HC

Hiring freaking unqualified Lashlee as OC

:/

LOL

You want help finding ammo for an 'I-told-you-so'?

hahaha more interested in seeing what my "vocal" opinion was at the time as opposed to looking at it in hindsight. I'm not Cole always looking to tell ppl I was right lolol just jokes

Well to do that first you'd have to be bold and stand your ground when you have an unpopular opinion, then you have to be able to endure ridicule when everybody is against you, THEN and most importantly you'd have to be right....the last part is where you'd have to take a seat....

That's the only thing that has any appeal of doing an "I told you so" because of the intense backlash on here of some people's opinions towards others opinions. But I don't judge though to those that do it. Unless we're talking about Arabic porn then all bets are off.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

I would honestly be willing to bet that it has less to do with recruiting and more to do with the constant input into the program from people who are not on staff... like certain former coaches and members of the board. If Will can get that fixed, his next steak dinner is on me.

Folks with good reputations around here have said that this is exactly what has hampered every DC since Tubs left (it's telling that Tubs had such a contentious relationship with the PTB). It was also said that Muschamp addressed this before agreeing to come on board. Looking at the product on the field this season, it doesn't seem to me that he suffered from whatever afflicted Johnson, Van Gorder and Roof. So I'm skeptical right now of the "meddling" theory.

The on field "meddling" may have been quelled, but all you have to do is hang around Auburn during the season and you see that they are still lurking in the background, making their presence known. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were still trying to direct certain things not related to the actual games.

One would think that if meddling were (or had been) the case, someone would have come to understand that said meddling is not having a positive impact on the program or on-field results.

One would, but the good ol' boy networks of the deep south are very hard to break. There are still a lot of people with a lot of money who think that some people know more about football than any current coach possibly could and they want to make sure that voice is heard. I'm honestly surprised they don't all wear WWPDD bracelets.

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

How do we find our past posts outside of the most recent 5 posts? I'm interested in seeing what exactly I wrote about Gus' hire because its looking increasingly closer and closer to confirming what the red flags were all about.

Player attitude/culture that Chiz allowed and not having a 100% clean break of that. I mean Gus was here as it festered.

His history of not handling player disclipline properly

Gus having no experience at a high level as a HC and only ONE season at a mid-major....where he lost more games than his predecessor

Hiring freaking unqualified Lashlee as OC

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[AUbritt 611]

First, I am not in panic mode nor in melt down status and my doctor assures me that I'm not crazy, but....at this point, do we even want Muschamp back for next season? Coaching acumen aside, how does this circus affect recruiting? And it will be exactly the same next year. If/when Muschamp leaves, especially if for head coach position, he very likely takes TRob with him. Should we attempt to cut our losses and beat him and others to the punch by offering the DC position to TRob now?

Fair question. I suspect TRob will go to Maryland as their new DC if he doesn't get offered that job here. I also think TRob is an excellent coach and want to hang on to him for a long time. We know that CWM will not be here for a long time. If he doesn't go this year, he'll likely go next.

So, I would probably rank the possible outcomes in order of preference as follows:

1. Boom and TRob stay at Auburn. That's unlikely to happen, I think.

2. Boom leaves for a HC gig at Carolina, and we promote TRob to DC.

3. Boom leaves for a coordinator position anywhere, and we promote TRob to DC.

4. Boom stays for 1 more year, but we lose TRob to Maryland or anywhere.

5. We lose Boom and TRob.

[SCTiger2011 1,300]

Alright guys, multiple sources are reporting Muschamp has already interviewed. Some say it was last night, some say it was just now, but that's not the point. The point is this thing may reach an end soon, so I expect everyone's meme/GIF game to be on point. Don't let me down...

[AUbritt 611]

How do we find our past posts outside of the most recent 5 posts? I'm interested in seeing what exactly I wrote about Gus' hire because its looking increasingly closer and closer to confirming what the red flags were all about.

Player attitude/culture that Chiz allowed and not having a 100% clean break of that. I mean Gus was here as it festered.

His history of not handling player disclipline properly

Gus having no experience at a high level as a HC

Hiring freaking unqualified Lashlee as OC

:/

LOL

You want help finding ammo for an 'I-told-you-so'?

More interested in seeing what my "vocal" opinion was at the time as opposed to looking at it in hindsight. I'm not Cole always looking to tell ppl I was right lolol just jokes

I think it's homersapien who's kind of a savant at finding old posts over on the Political Forum. You might PM him and ask for the secret.

Actually, that's me. I'm a black belt at Google-Fu.

My bad, Bigbens!

[cole256 17,085]

How do we find our past posts outside of the most recent 5 posts? I'm interested in seeing what exactly I wrote about Gus' hire because its looking increasingly closer and closer to confirming what the red flags were all about.

Player attitude/culture that Chiz allowed and not having a 100% clean break of that. I mean Gus was here as it festered.

His history of not handling player disclipline properly

Gus having no experience at a high level as a HC

Hiring freaking unqualified Lashlee as OC

:/

LOL

You want help finding ammo for an 'I-told-you-so'?

hahaha more interested in seeing what my "vocal" opinion was at the time as opposed to looking at it in hindsight. I'm not Cole always looking to tell ppl I was right lolol just jokes

Well to do that first you'd have to be bold and stand your ground when you have an unpopular opinion, then you have to be able to endure ridicule when everybody is against you, THEN and most importantly you'd have to be right....the last part is where you'd have to take a seat.... :)/>

That's the only thing that has any appeal of doing an "I told you so" because of the intense backlash on here of some people's opinions towards others opinions. But I don't judge though to those that do it. Unless we're talking about Arabic porn then all bets are off.

Yeah I had to really stand my ground with the Arabic porn situation. What really got me was the gangster that is known as Drake and all his hate music....

[PoetTiger 1,901]

LOL at people still questioning Muschamp at UF. We didn't hire him to be our head coach, we hired him to fix our defense. He had a top 10 defense every year at Florida despite rarely having an offense that could stay on the field. He's had a top 10 defense 10 out of his 12 years as a DC or HC (or something thereabouts, I might be fudging the numbers a bit). The guy is easily a top 3 DC in college football and he showed it at Auburn this past year.

By all means, freak out at the prospect of him leaving. But don't compound it by being ignorant.

Well he needs to do what he was hired to do, and let Gus be the HC. All indications it appears he got everything he wanted to make his defense work.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Going to edit a little in the interest of brevity. If I leave out any of your important points, it's not intentionally to serve my own argument; however, if I do so unintentionally, please do call me out on it:

Stability in coaching positions is very important. I'd rather not have AU being the highlight of the coaching carousel at the end of each season for DC/OC.

COMPLETELY agreed. I just felt like we were in desperate times that called for a desperate measure. Muschamp was a Hail Mary that we scored on, IMO.

What makes you think RG can't coach as DC ? He's our AHC and has a proven resume' for over 15 seasons.

...but he's never been a DC, has he? Big difference, IMO. Also, a lot of his tenure was on offense.

On the other hand, Mushchamp more recently was at UT for 3 seasons, UF for 4 and that's it. He's a mover. Good coach, but a mover. HC is what he wants, so let him. Besides, apparently his contract has allowed him the perogative to move on at a whim. That's on Jacobs.

We agree about his contract. What we disagree on is whether or not it was justified. I think it was. Again, he fielded an SECCG caliber defense and pulled in a lot of good recruits. I did state previously that it is very bad if he leaves, but that in no way would make me consider his hiring anything other than a success. Again, I believe that Muschamp held up his end of the deal, and I think Jacobs was right to do what it took to get him. If Muschamp leaves and we don't have a decent contingency plan- we won't just pick up where we left off, because Georgia probably just hired the only DC as good as Muschamp- then I will be pissed.

I stand corrected on Saban's job hopping, although I don't think he was at Miami very long. Dolphins fans definitely still feel left at the altar.

I agree that Muschamp has improved our program but what good does it do if he's gone after 1 or 2 seasons ?

If we'd had a quarterback and Gus had fielded an offense even almost as good as the previous 2, it would have won us the SEC. And now we have a decent crop of young talent who don't carry the issues that the upperclassmen had instilled in them by previous staffs. If we make another good hire, then that guy doesn't have nearly as big of a mess to clean up as Muschamp did.

Who's next ? And after that, who's next ? And then....... ? GM is an offensive coach so the carryover of improvements from one DC to the next is not maintained, only stagnant at best.

If we hire good assistant coaches, then it will always be that way (although hopefully more than 1-year stints). And I don't think there's any scientific about your last last sentence. I feel as though I presented a fairly compelling case above that our next DC, whether he be hired this year or sometime in the future, will inherit a far better defense than Muschamp did.

The AU program needs solid coaches at DC and OC who want to be here long term. RG and DC both fit that profile.

Again, there's no evidence that they would be competent coordinators. They've never done it.

Garner was part of the...

Again, not as DC. He was there for his recruiting prowess. And not to start a whole different conversation, but the best you can say about the job he's done just coaching the DL is that opinion is split. UGA fans weren't particularly sorry to see him go, and at least half the folks here think he should be moved to the other side of the ball, off the field or fired altogether. There is absolutely no compelling argument IMO that he has demonstrated that he is fit to be our defensive coordinator.

WDE!!!

Back at ya. Enjoying the conversation.

[keesler 5,961]

I think everything is going to be ok in the end.............and if it not.......... then it's not the end.

[Tigerfinz 1,369]

Well put Kees. Makes you stop and think for a second.

[autigeremt 7,240]

I think everything is going to be ok in the end.............and if it not.......... then it's not the end.

Very true! Not like this stuff have never happened before. Rise up!

[AUFlyer99 647]

I think everything is going to be ok in the end.............and if it not.......... then it's not the end. :jossun:/>

You won't sell much spreading that around.

[Charhair 345]

Uh-Oh. Marcus Lattimore just followed CWM on Twitter. Things must be getting pretty serious. \sarc

honestly, this is probably the most concrete evidence there is suggesting CWM goes to USCe

[Elephant Tipper 430]

Back at ya. Enjoying the conversation.

I'm editing even further. lol Sorry about it.

1) who would you want as DC ? It's coming, either now or then.

2) CGM has set the precedent of hiring a non-coordinator to become OC. Lashlee's jump to coordinator parallels Muschamp's. RG has had 20 years + as a coach. At some point you throw the reins at a candidate and say go for it. I'm just not in favor of giving the position of OC/DC to anyone without at least the same experience before signing on with AU. T-Rob has only been a position coach and in realtiy RL was only a GA. Although I like them both I would prefer coaches with higher experience. AU is not an on-the-job training school. We pay top dollar for experience but we're reversing the skill sets because of RL. We should aspire to candidates with higher qualifications and I'd prefer to reward those from within who've proven themselves at their current jobs who have tremendous loyalty to AU.

Anyway, my .02.

WDE !!!

[sogaaufan 27]

Just a shot in the dark here, but it could be that Will feels that more emphasis is placed on offensive recruiting since Gus is an offensive guy.

[autigeremt 7,240]

Chuck Kelley to answer the question. T-Rob would be in the mix.

[SCTiger2011 1,300]

Uh-Oh. Marcus Lattimore just followed CWM on Twitter. Things must be getting pretty serious. \sarc

honestly, this is probably the most concrete evidence there is suggesting CWM goes to USCe

And the "Auburn Defensive Coordinator" line has been removed from his Twitter bio. Seems silly that this provides "evidence" in this day and age of media, but it's more concrete than listening to "sources" spew random theories to see what sticks. He gone.

[autigeremt 7,240]

Just a shot in the dark here, but it could be that Will feels that more emphasis is placed on offensive recruiting since Gus is an offensive guy.

Then he's afraid of the challenge. In today's CFB most coaches are offensive minded.