Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 TT....maybe but I don't know how anyone voted in the subject poll. Do you or are you just speculating? Why can't you answer without beating around the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,263 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 TT....I would add if you just said if it is your opinion I could respect that. So you dispute that roughly a third of Americans are hardcore conservatives who see Obama as an unrivaled failure? Reminds me of liberals and GWB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,575 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 TT....maybe but I don't know how anyone voted in the subject poll. Do you or are you just speculating? Why can't you answer without beating around the bush. Why don't you answer my simple question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,969 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Carter: Good man, bad President. Way over his head. Nixon: Good President (EPA, Out of Vietnam, China) Mental Paranoid. Ford....Nice Guy in a LOSE LOSE LOSE Situation. Reagan: Won the Cold War. Economic Recovery. Bush41: Nice Guy in over his head. Clinton: Good Executive. Human. Bush43: Nice guy, cosmically in over his head. Obama: Nice guy, again in way over his head. Worst? Carter, Bush43, Obama three way tie. In general, incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 TT....I answered your question. I said maybe, but I don't know. Now answer mine without your tactic of answering by asking a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,575 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 TT....I answered your question. I said maybe, but I don't know. Now answer mine without your tactic of answering by asking a question. PT, if you follow polls over the last several years, it's pretty clear that about 25-35% are pretty consistently right wing and in opposition to most any politician on the left. I'm not sure why you find this so controversial, but if you do, then you do. This is the best answer I have to something I think anyone following polls would readily see- if you find it inadequate, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 The subject poll is the only one I'm talking about. You made a statement which you can't back up except with your opinion. Opinions are OK, but they aren't necessarily facts. And now you refer to polls in general saying it is "pretty clear" that.................It may be "pretty clear" to you but the polls I see don't always have a breakdown so again you are expressing an opinion, not factual info. Why it so hard to admit that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,892 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 TT....I answered your question. I said maybe, but I don't know. Now answer mine without your tactic of answering by asking a question. PT, if you follow polls over the last several years, it's pretty clear that about 25-35% are pretty consistently right wing and in opposition to most any politician on the left. I'm not sure why you find this so controversial, but if you do, then you do. This is the best answer I have to something I think anyone following polls would readily see- if you find it inadequate, so be it. There's usually about a same percentage against anything or anyone Republican. Except when the libs vote twice it skews the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,575 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The subject poll is the only one I'm talking about. You made a statement which you can't back up except with your opinion. Opinions are OK, but they aren't necessarily facts. And now you refer to polls in general saying it is "pretty clear" that.................It may be "pretty clear" to you but the polls I see don't always have a breakdown so again you are expressing an opinion, not factual info. Why it so hard to admit that? It is a well-reasoned, fact-based opinion. Happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 No. What are the facts? That's what I asked you in the beginning. Simple question, can you give some of the facts your opinion is based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,575 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 No. What are the facts? That's what I asked you in the beginning. Simple question, can you give some of the facts your opinion is based on? I have. I can't help you understand things, PT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Then just for me, repeat one fact you have provided,,,,,,,,just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,353 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Carter: Good man, bad President. Way over his head. Nixon: Good President (EPA, Out of Vietnam, China) Mental Paranoid. Ford....Nice Guy in a LOSE LOSE LOSE Situation. Reagan: Won the Cold War. Economic Recovery. Bush41: Nice Guy in over his head. Clinton: Good Executive. Human. Bush43: Nice guy, cosmically in over his head. Obama: Nice guy, again in way over his head. Worst? Carter, Bush43, Obama three way tie. In general, incompetent. Reagan didn't "win" the cold war any more than a rooster causes the sun to rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,353 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The subject poll is the only one I'm talking about. You made a statement which you can't back up except with your opinion. Opinions are OK, but they aren't necessarily facts. And now you refer to polls in general saying it is "pretty clear" that.................It may be "pretty clear" to you but the polls I see don't always have a breakdown so again you are expressing an opinion, not factual info. Why it so hard to admit that? It's easy enough to get an estimate of the percent of self-proclaimed conservatives in this country and there is actually more than the poll numbers on Obama's performance. It's not a stretch to assume the poll numbers come mostly from that general population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,892 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The subject poll is the only one I'm talking about. You made a statement which you can't back up except with your opinion. Opinions are OK, but they aren't necessarily facts. And now you refer to polls in general saying it is "pretty clear" that.................It may be "pretty clear" to you but the polls I see don't always have a breakdown so again you are expressing an opinion, not factual info. Why it so hard to admit that? It's easy enough to get an estimate of the percent of self-proclaimed conservatives in this country and there is actually more than the poll numbers on Obama's performance. It's not a stretch to assume the poll numbers come mostly from that general population. Mostly yes, but it's also not a stretch to assume a good number of dems voted in that majority sample. An not just in the low percentage approving his job performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,575 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The subject poll is the only one I'm talking about. You made a statement which you can't back up except with your opinion. Opinions are OK, but they aren't necessarily facts. And now you refer to polls in general saying it is "pretty clear" that.................It may be "pretty clear" to you but the polls I see don't always have a breakdown so again you are expressing an opinion, not factual info. Why it so hard to admit that? It's easy enough to get an estimate of the percent of self-proclaimed conservatives in this country and there is actually more than the poll numbers on Obama's performance. It's not a stretch to assume the poll numbers come mostly from that general population. Mostly yes, but it's also not a stretch to assume a good number of dems voted in that majority sample. An not just in the low percentage approving his job performance. The point is, is anyone surprised given the current assessment of most Republicans that they would say Obama is the worst President since wwii? Would anyone be surprised that most Dems would say W was? How meaningful is either assessment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,892 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The subject poll is the only one I'm talking about. You made a statement which you can't back up except with your opinion. Opinions are OK, but they aren't necessarily facts. And now you refer to polls in general saying it is "pretty clear" that.................It may be "pretty clear" to you but the polls I see don't always have a breakdown so again you are expressing an opinion, not factual info. Why it so hard to admit that? It's easy enough to get an estimate of the percent of self-proclaimed conservatives in this country and there is actually more than the poll numbers on Obama's performance. It's not a stretch to assume the poll numbers come mostly from that general population. Mostly yes, but it's also not a stretch to assume a good number of dems voted in that majority sample. An not just in the low percentage approving his job performance. The point is, is anyone surprised given the current assessment of most Republicans that they would say Obama is the worst President since wwii? Would anyone be surprised that most Dems would say W was? How meaningful is either assessment? And I agreed with that point but in this poll with the majority voting the way they did, it had to include a good number of dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,969 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Carter: Good man, bad President. Way over his head. Nixon: Good President (EPA, Out of Vietnam, China) Mental Paranoid. Ford....Nice Guy in a LOSE LOSE LOSE Situation. Reagan: Won the Cold War. Economic Recovery. Bush41: Nice Guy in over his head. Clinton: Good Executive. Human. Bush43: Nice guy, cosmically in over his head. Obama: Nice guy, again in way over his head. Worst? Carter, Bush43, Obama three way tie. In general, incompetent. Reagan didn't "win" the cold war any more than a rooster causes the sun to rise. You sssooo funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,575 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The subject poll is the only one I'm talking about. You made a statement which you can't back up except with your opinion. Opinions are OK, but they aren't necessarily facts. And now you refer to polls in general saying it is "pretty clear" that.................It may be "pretty clear" to you but the polls I see don't always have a breakdown so again you are expressing an opinion, not factual info. Why it so hard to admit that? It's easy enough to get an estimate of the percent of self-proclaimed conservatives in this country and there is actually more than the poll numbers on Obama's performance. It's not a stretch to assume the poll numbers come mostly from that general population. Mostly yes, but it's also not a stretch to assume a good number of dems voted in that majority sample. An not just in the low percentage approving his job performance. The point is, is anyone surprised given the current assessment of most Republicans that they would say Obama is the worst President since wwii? Would anyone be surprised that most Dems would say W was? How meaningful is either assessment? And I agreed with that point but in this poll with the majority voting the way they did, it had to include a good number of dems. With just 33%? It wasn't a majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 TexasT....still waiting on one little FACT related to your so-called fact based opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,468 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Then just for me, repeat one fact you have provided,,,,,,,,just one. How about some untruths you have deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 OK ICHY I have you on ignore but I have seen you refer to my deleted thread title in other posts where you are quoted. This just displays what a totally ignorant person you can be. I started that thread with a video on Obama making a statement. BigBen called to my attention that it had been photoshopped which I didn't know. I readily admitted my mistake and deleted the link to the video and my other posts. I didn't know how to just delete the whole thread. If you don't care to believe me then ask Bigben. I could really not care less what you think. Just go away and stfu about things you say about me that you are totally ignorant about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,353 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The subject poll is the only one I'm talking about. You made a statement which you can't back up except with your opinion. Opinions are OK, but they aren't necessarily facts. And now you refer to polls in general saying it is "pretty clear" that.................It may be "pretty clear" to you but the polls I see don't always have a breakdown so again you are expressing an opinion, not factual info. Why it so hard to admit that? It's easy enough to get an estimate of the percent of self-proclaimed conservatives in this country and there is actually more than the poll numbers on Obama's performance. It's not a stretch to assume the poll numbers come mostly from that general population. Mostly yes, but it's also not a stretch to assume a good number of dems voted in that majority sample. An not just in the low percentage approving his job performance. The point is, is anyone surprised given the current assessment of most Republicans that they would say Obama is the worst President since wwii? Would anyone be surprised that most Dems would say W was? How meaningful is either assessment? And I agreed with that point but in this poll with the majority voting the way they did, it had to include a good number of dems. What's the question here? Did a majority of Americans vote Obama as the worst POTUS since 1945? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 14,575 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 TexasT....still waiting on one little FACT related to your so-called fact based opinion. I can't help you process information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 I can't process what you can't provide. Why is so hard to admit you have NO fact to support your claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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