trout54 55 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 regardless of how he is used (and he WILL be used), the kid is a beast. after his pro career is over, he needs to become a strength and conditioning coach somewhere (hopefully AU). can you imagine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,781 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 imagine seeing this guy catching a pass on a wheel route. Verne would be all "OH MY GOODNESS" Can you imagine the CB trying to come up and tackle him? The guy might vaporize. The CB won't have to tackle him on a wheel route. By the time Prosch could get that deep and the ball get there, the CB and safety will both be all in the middle of the situation and will either intercept the ball or knock it away. Ronnie Brown ran wheel routes. O-Mac ran wheel routes. Guys that lumber along don't run wheel routes. Prosch will help with blocking on some plays. He'll serve as a sort of third offensive guard out there when we need one. He may even get to score some on goal-line situations. He won't be running pass routes 20 yards downfield and we won't be seeing much of him on third and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilstein21 1 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Lutz and Eric smith ran wheel routes. While Ronnie brown was more productive in terms of number of wheel routes, they can be run on occasion with someone like Prosch. His main objective will still be blocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoALtiger 3,874 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I think Gus will maximize what Jay can do. SL and Chiz should be beat for not using that guy more last year. Alright maybe not beat, just not "retained". Oh wait.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,974 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 fullbacks run wheel routes more than speedsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBull367 0 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yeah no one sees fullbacks running wheels coming so they are usually wide open. Fannin had a couple of wide open wheel routes in Gus's scheme both when he was the primary and secondary back in the game. The best part of Gus's scheme is that he gets players wide open. That's how he gets players with less than stellar passing skills big numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autan 767 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Is Jay staying for his senior year? It wouldn't surprise me if Jay entered the draft. Gus just doesn't use a fullback because QB is never under center. If CGM is smart and I think he is, he will utilize the Juggernaut especially in short yardage. When you have the best fullback in SEC if not NCAA you better use him. Ten times better with JP up the gut than Dyer in Wildcat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMan70 3,277 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Jay Prosch would be a valuable asset in CGM's offense. Not to mention, we need that kinda blue collar, hard worker to lead our team next season. I agree with you, VT. I bet Gus gets the best out of Prosch. I will make a bold prediction. Gus will utilize JP a lot better than Loeffler did. I know, I know, I'm going out on a limb here but still. Wow IM70, such a BOLD prediction. You reckon he might use the shotgun formation at some point? I mean, since we're talking unthinkable moves and all? Hmmm, that is a slim possibility. But quite frankly, I am seeing more of the re-emergence of the AU Wishbone of the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnphan 6,050 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Still say he turns pro, no need to for him to learn another offense in college, he can start learning and earning in the NFL. Draft stock for fullbacks are low anyway and the main reason for him transferring to Auburn is sadly no longer with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COXWELL 0 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I think the point that poster was making was that the offense will be built around Prosch next year like it was built around Fannin in 2009. Just like it was built around Cam in 2010. They weren't saying they would share the same role. We're building our spread-offense around a pure blocking FB? Seriously? Thats an even more asinine statement. Your optimisim is infectious....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meh130 1,056 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Is Jay staying for his senior year? Gus just doesn't use a fullback because QB is never under center. The quarterback does not have to be under center to use a fullback. Prosch was not a traditional power-running fullback at Illinois. He was a blocking back. He had one reception his freshman year and one carry his sophomore year (on a fake punt, not as a traditional fullback). http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/prosch_jay00.html Eric Smith was recruited to Auburn as a Fullback. http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Eric-Smith-51917 Eric Smith was listed at Auburn as a Running Back (not a TE or H-Back). http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/smith_eric00.html As discussed in this thread, Malzahn used the heck out of Smith in 2009. Smith was effectively used as an H-Back (aka, primarily a blocking back, with occasional pass receptions) in Malzahn's offense. This was the role Lutz dominated in 2010. Eric Smith was not tall, but he was big, listed at 240 lbs on his 5'10" frame. Lutz (6'6") is taller than Prosch (6'0"), but they have similar weights (~260 lbs). Simply put, Malzahn's offense DOES use FBs (and TEs), but he uses them both as H-Backs. Prosch should fit into this scheme easily if he can handle the amount of lateral movement required. Lutz really excelled at this. My gut feel is Prosch would handle it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 169 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I can't see Jay going pro just to drafted very low and or winding up on some NFL teams practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird36 5 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The offense really missed Eric Smith. JP would help the offense as an blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustache eagle 2,427 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 i would like to see JP around the program this next year ... regardless of how much he plays ... it seems his work ethic and presense would be valuble as an influence in the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,460 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 i would like to see JP around the program this next year ... regardless of how much he plays ... it seems his work ethic and presense would be valuble as an influence in the locker room. Amen. HE has the "right stuff" and is an AUBURN MAN ! ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnpride99 6 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Is Jay staying for his senior year? Gus just doesn't use a fullback because QB is never under center. The quarterback does not have to be under center to use a fullback. Prosch was not a traditional power-running fullback at Illinois. He was a blocking back. He had one reception his freshman year and one carry his sophomore year (on a fake punt, not as a traditional fullback). http://www.fightingi...osch_jay00.html Eric Smith was recruited to Auburn as a Fullback. http://rivals.yahoo....ric-Smith-51917 Eric Smith was listed at Auburn as a Running Back (not a TE or H-Back). http://www.auburntig...ith_eric00.html As discussed in this thread, Malzahn used the heck out of Smith in 2009. Smith was effectively used as an H-Back (aka, primarily a blocking back, with occasional pass receptions) in Malzahn's offense. This was the role Lutz dominated in 2010. Eric Smith was not tall, but he was big, listed at 240 lbs on his 5'10" frame. Lutz (6'6") is taller than Prosch (6'0"), but they have similar weights (~260 lbs). Simply put, Malzahn's offense DOES use FBs (and TEs), but he uses them both as H-Backs. Prosch should fit into this scheme easily if he can handle the amount of lateral movement required. Lutz really excelled at this. My gut feel is Prosch would handle it well. Thank you! People have selective memories and forget Eric Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trout54 55 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 FWIW, Jay was also a VERY WELL ACCOMPLISHED linebacker in his senior year of high school. over 150 tackles, and he LOVES to hit. if we are still looking for a couple of BIG LBs, with a nose for the ball, there are possibilities for Jay on both sides of the ball. Don't sell this kid short! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzurd24 11 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Jay will be nice to have for some short yardage packages and pass protection. He can be a good situational player. The fact so many folks want to argue that he is a complete back just shows how far this board's IQ has fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburn4ever 1,266 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Prosch is a pure fullback who can block very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle10 77 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I am lookimg forward to seeing some balls thrown his way. Not sure if he can catch the ball, but we will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Freak 2,530 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I am lookimg forward to seeing some balls thrown his way. Not sure if he can catch the ball, but we will find out. He caught passes last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUenginerd 16 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I am lookimg forward to seeing some balls thrown his way. Not sure if he can catch the ball, but we will find out. Yes, he caught passes and did it well last year. Not many, but they were effective. His first TD was a catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wareaglexx 34 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Prosch stats from last year: http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/player/37/1032116/receiving/gamelog.html Yes, he can run and catch.. Seems like i posted once that I would like to see him get the ball some and all I heard was "he can only block... Get a real line in front of him and somebody is going to get their bell rung when they meet him in the open field whith the new OL that is going to be built with men instead of boys after spring.... Just wait Waiting for that Freight-Train to come alive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle10 77 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He had more catches than I remembered. Hopefully this staff will use him better. I thought he was underutilized last season, in the running and passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared52 4,355 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 They are afraid to throw him the ball because he may squeeze it too hard to catch it and have it explode in his hand. It's a safety thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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