Petrino Discussions

[PigskinPat 2,610]

I'm tired of hiring nice guys. Whoever we end up with, I hope he's a cold-blooded killer.

[excelsiortiger 0]

Petrino is the best, most proven hc that we can realisticially get and yet people don't want him. He is probably one of the 5 best coaches in cfb, period. Heck, after what I witnessed tonight, I'd hire his kitty cat, mr. Sweetwiggles.

Absolutely. Well said. And the thing that baffles me is why would someone not want him? "He would leave in the middle of the night". If he did, our program would be a helluva lot better than it is right now and we'd have some wins over teams that we aren't competitive with now. "It would hurt Auburn's reputation". Auburn's reputation, like it or not, is a school that needs to go buy another quarterback. Read Espn and yahoo if you want to know Auburn's rep. I'm all for hurting it. "He's a liar and won't be able to recruit". He never had top 20 classes a Arkansas and hung 40 on us every year. "He can't beat Saban". Neither can anyone except Les Miles. Do you want him? Am I forgetting any?

We could wake up this time next week with a top 5 coach. I have no idea why people are opposed to that.

I don't think he'd leave in the middle of the night. Cripes he's wanted to get here since 2003. I don't give a rip about reputation. I care about winning period.

Scandals like this change people and affect their ability to succeed professionally moving forward. He's no longer a slam dunk. At this point he's high risk high reward. It could absolutely play out the way you think it will but there is high risk that it won't, risk we don't need to take.

You think Petrino is riskier than Briles or Franklin?

Yes.

If we hired any of the 4 guys you named, I can see them sucking. They may not, but it definitely wouldn't surprise me. I've never seen Petrino not be successful. I don't see a scandal changing his coaching ability.

You've never seen Petrino rebuild a program carrying the kind of baggage he's toting around these days.

[PoetTiger 1,901]

I am not promising you Petrino won't overcome all of this and be successful in the future. Perhaps he will. This is Auburn. Auburn is a power. Petrino is a risk we don't need to take at this point.

Risks are for the Kentucky's and Vanderbilt's of the world.

Did you just watch the iron bowl?!? We got plastered 49-0! You don't think we need to take a risk right now?!? Are you kidding me? Let's just keep doing what we are doing. We got the sec right where we want them. This makes sense to you?!?

0 SEC wins means the loser we got has to go.

Aub will be the best job available this offseason and a top 10 or 15 job nationally. No we don't need to take risks. The best available candidates will be interested.

If there is a better candidate than Petrino I'm all for him. I just can't find one.

Chris Peterson

Art Briles

Gary Patterson

James Franklin

All good coaches w/o the baggage and risk of Petrino. Aub can get any of em.

Chris Peterson isn't coming. We took Chizik over Gary Patterson last time. I'm sure he probably holds a grudge for it. Have you ever seen an Art Briles team play defense? Neither has he. Franklin? Over Petrino? Look I know he has baggage but he's probably the best COACH for us to pursue. If we can't get either of the Fisher's we best come away with him. Gus needs to be the worst case.

I'd rather hire a coord than Gus. Unless he's bringing Cam Newton2 w/ him his gimmicks are not the answer.

Briles is at Baylor dude. It's a minor miracle he's able to field competent football teams in that hole. Pair him w/ a top shelf DC recruiting SEC talent and that can work and work well. $ washes grudges away. At some point Peterson is going to jump ship to the big time and it doesn't get any bigger than here.

If you think Petrino is riskier than those names I strongly disagree. If Auburn hires Petrino, what are you scared of happening?

He continues his shady ways, only this time under a cloak of secrecy instead of out in the open......i don't think his love for motorcycles and lust for blondes ended in 6 months..recruiting is critical in the SEC, particularly defensive recruiting, teams will have a field day recruiting against him and even though he is a great offensive coach, he will need a top knotch defense to compete consistently with the top SEC teams.....

[Friedchickenman 0]

Will someone please explain what someone's personal life has to do with their ability to coach a football team? This idea that we have to hire a morally superior human being because you are yourself is arrogance and pride at it's best. Out of all of the available candidates right now Petrino is the one with a proven record in the SEC, and will do the best job, period. There is no reason he should not be our next coach. This is like asking us to pick George W. Bush over Bill Clinton. What the man does off the field, I don't care, we're hiring a football coach, not a saint.

[Gr8t2baub 0]

Petrino is the best, most proven hc that we can realisticially get and yet people don't want him. He is probably one of the 5 best coaches in cfb, period. Heck, after what I witnessed tonight, I'd hire his kitty cat, mr. Sweetwiggles.

Absolutely. Well said. And the thing that baffles me is why would someone not want him? "He would leave in the middle of the night". If he did, our program would be a helluva lot better than it is right now and we'd have some wins over teams that we aren't competitive with now. "It would hurt Auburn's reputation". Auburn's reputation, like it or not, is a school that needs to go buy another quarterback. Read Espn and yahoo if you want to know Auburn's rep. I'm all for hurting it. "He's a liar and won't be able to recruit". He never had top 20 classes a Arkansas and hung 40 on us every year. "He can't beat Saban". Neither can anyone except Les Miles. Do you want him? Am I forgetting any?

We could wake up this time next week with a top 5 coach. I have no idea why people are opposed to that.

I don't think he'd leave in the middle of the night. Cripes he's wanted to get here since 2003. I don't give a rip about reputation. I care about winning period.

Scandals like this change people and affect their ability to succeed professionally moving forward. He's no longer a slam dunk. At this point he's high risk high reward. It could absolutely play out the way you think it will but there is high risk that it won't, risk we don't need to take.

You think Petrino is riskier than Briles or Franklin?

Yes.

If we hired any of the 4 guys you named, I can see them sucking. They may not, but it definitely wouldn't surprise me. I've never seen Petrino not be successful. I don't see a scandal changing his coaching ability.

You've never seen Petrino rebuild a program carrying the kind of baggage he's toting around these days.

No but I've seen him coach bcs bowls at Arkansas and Louisville. I don't think this scandal will affect his play calling. If he is that good while juggling all his women, imagine if he focused...

[Gr8t2baub 0]

I am not promising you Petrino won't overcome all of this and be successful in the future. Perhaps he will. This is Auburn. Auburn is a power. Petrino is a risk we don't need to take at this point.

Risks are for the Kentucky's and Vanderbilt's of the world.

Did you just watch the iron bowl?!? We got plastered 49-0! You don't think we need to take a risk right now?!? Are you kidding me? Let's just keep doing what we are doing. We got the sec right where we want them. This makes sense to you?!?

0 SEC wins means the loser we got has to go.

Aub will be the best job available this offseason and a top 10 or 15 job nationally. No we don't need to take risks. The best available candidates will be interested.

If there is a better candidate than Petrino I'm all for him. I just can't find one.

Chris Peterson

Art Briles

Gary Patterson

James Franklin

All good coaches w/o the baggage and risk of Petrino. Aub can get any of em.

Chris Peterson isn't coming. We took Chizik over Gary Patterson last time. I'm sure he probably holds a grudge for it. Have you ever seen an Art Briles team play defense? Neither has he. Franklin? Over Petrino? Look I know he has baggage but he's probably the best COACH for us to pursue. If we can't get either of the Fisher's we best come away with him. Gus needs to be the worst case.

I'd rather hire a coord than Gus. Unless he's bringing Cam Newton2 w/ him his gimmicks are not the answer.

Briles is at Baylor dude. It's a minor miracle he's able to field competent football teams in that hole. Pair him w/ a top shelf DC recruiting SEC talent and that can work and work well. $ washes grudges away. At some point Peterson is going to jump ship to the big time and it doesn't get any bigger than here.

If you think Petrino is riskier than those names I strongly disagree. If Auburn hires Petrino, what are you scared of happening?

He continues his shady ways, only this time under a cloak of secrecy instead of out in the open......i don't think his love for motorcycles and lust for blondes ended in 6 months..recruiting is critical in the SEC, particularly defensive recruiting, teams will have a field day recruiting against him and even though he is a great offensive coach, he will need a top knotch defense to compete consistently with the top SEC teams.....

When has any of that effected him in the past? 75-26 at Arkansas and Louisville. Basketball schools.

[excelsiortiger 0]

Petrino is the best, most proven hc that we can realisticially get and yet people don't want him. He is probably one of the 5 best coaches in cfb, period. Heck, after what I witnessed tonight, I'd hire his kitty cat, mr. Sweetwiggles.

Absolutely. Well said. And the thing that baffles me is why would someone not want him? "He would leave in the middle of the night". If he did, our program would be a helluva lot better than it is right now and we'd have some wins over teams that we aren't competitive with now. "It would hurt Auburn's reputation". Auburn's reputation, like it or not, is a school that needs to go buy another quarterback. Read Espn and yahoo if you want to know Auburn's rep. I'm all for hurting it. "He's a liar and won't be able to recruit". He never had top 20 classes a Arkansas and hung 40 on us every year. "He can't beat Saban". Neither can anyone except Les Miles. Do you want him? Am I forgetting any?

We could wake up this time next week with a top 5 coach. I have no idea why people are opposed to that.

I don't think he'd leave in the middle of the night. Cripes he's wanted to get here since 2003. I don't give a rip about reputation. I care about winning period.

Scandals like this change people and affect their ability to succeed professionally moving forward. He's no longer a slam dunk. At this point he's high risk high reward. It could absolutely play out the way you think it will but there is high risk that it won't, risk we don't need to take.

You think Petrino is riskier than Briles or Franklin?

Yes.

If we hired any of the 4 guys you named, I can see them sucking. They may not, but it definitely wouldn't surprise me. I've never seen Petrino not be successful. I don't see a scandal changing his coaching ability.

You've never seen Petrino rebuild a program carrying the kind of baggage he's toting around these days.

No but I've seen him coach bcs bowls at Arkansas and Louisville. I don't think this scandal will affect his play calling. If he is that good while juggling all his women, imagine if he focused...

?? Who brought up his play calling? I have already answered as to my opinion on this. The effect would be on recruiting, explained a coupla/3 pages back.

Nothing is absolute about how this would play out.

If he is hired I hope he is as successful as you are sure he will be.

[war eagle6 0]

AU fans that want to win now wants Petrino, the moral police fans want an Honest, High character, Never lies, good Christian man for a coach! Unless I'm horribly wrong, I don't think JESUS is coming back from heaven to coach AU football!! If its not BP, it had better be someone that can coach a football team, defensive or offensive!!

Really dude....just cause someone does not want BP does not mean they want some pansy...

well the ptb need to make a splash hire, and I hope he is at least near BP level or above! Although the way we have been hiring lately I wouldn't be shocked of it is a pansy coach. Rite now we r worried what people will have to say about us as a whole if we do indeed hire BP!! That's what's wrong with AU rite now! I say screw that, they have already done a pretty good job of that already, 2010 was incredible with all the garbage being spewed our way,I have to ask how did we get thru that fiasco? When u r more concerned about what people say then, no wonder fear seems to be stronger than love to some people! Not me

I don't think Auburn cares what people think, a few fans on a message board does not dictate that...

well if that's the case then the next coach at AU could very well be BP! I'm ok even if he's not the next coach, but if he's introduced as the next hc , how would u and other anti-bobby feel?

[around4ever 4,139]

The backlash in recruiting would not be pretty. Opposing coaches would make sure all recruits and their parents know about all of BPs flaws. The biggest flaw IMO is that he has lied to his superiors at every job he has had since leaving Auburn.

[Gr8t2baub 0]

Petrino is the best, most proven hc that we can realisticially get and yet people don't want him. He is probably one of the 5 best coaches in cfb, period. Heck, after what I witnessed tonight, I'd hire his kitty cat, mr. Sweetwiggles.

Absolutely. Well said. And the thing that baffles me is why would someone not want him? "He would leave in the middle of the night". If he did, our program would be a helluva lot better than it is right now and we'd have some wins over teams that we aren't competitive with now. "It would hurt Auburn's reputation". Auburn's reputation, like it or not, is a school that needs to go buy another quarterback. Read Espn and yahoo if you want to know Auburn's rep. I'm all for hurting it. "He's a liar and won't be able to recruit". He never had top 20 classes a Arkansas and hung 40 on us every year. "He can't beat Saban". Neither can anyone except Les Miles. Do you want him? Am I forgetting any?

We could wake up this time next week with a top 5 coach. I have no idea why people are opposed to that.

I don't think he'd leave in the middle of the night. Cripes he's wanted to get here since 2003. I don't give a rip about reputation. I care about winning period.

Scandals like this change people and affect their ability to succeed professionally moving forward. He's no longer a slam dunk. At this point he's high risk high reward. It could absolutely play out the way you think it will but there is high risk that it won't, risk we don't need to take.

You think Petrino is riskier than Briles or Franklin?

Yes.

If we hired any of the 4 guys you named, I can see them sucking. They may not, but it definitely wouldn't surprise me. I've never seen Petrino not be successful. I don't see a scandal changing his coaching ability.

You've never seen Petrino rebuild a program carrying the kind of baggage he's toting around these days.

No but I've seen him coach bcs bowls at Arkansas and Louisville. I don't think this scandal will affect his play calling. If he is that good while juggling all his women, imagine if he focused...

?? Who brought up his play calling? I have already answered as to my opinion on this. The effect would be on recruiting, explained a coupla/3 pages back.

Nothing is absolute about how this would play out.

If he is hired I hope he is as successful as you are sure he will be.

He's never been successful recruiting. He's never been successful defensively. He's always been successful winning games. How would a scandal change that?

[excelsiortiger 0]

The backlash in recruiting would not be pretty. Opposing coaches would make sure all recruits and their parents know about all of BPs flaws. The biggest flaw IMO is that he has lied to his superiors at every job he has had since leaving Auburn.

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[PoetTiger 1,901]

I am not promising you Petrino won't overcome all of this and be successful in the future. Perhaps he will. This is Auburn. Auburn is a power. Petrino is a risk we don't need to take at this point.

Risks are for the Kentucky's and Vanderbilt's of the world.

Did you just watch the iron bowl?!? We got plastered 49-0! You don't think we need to take a risk right now?!? Are you kidding me? Let's just keep doing what we are doing. We got the sec right where we want them. This makes sense to you?!?

0 SEC wins means the loser we got has to go.

Aub will be the best job available this offseason and a top 10 or 15 job nationally. No we don't need to take risks. The best available candidates will be interested.

If there is a better candidate than Petrino I'm all for him. I just can't find one.

Chris Peterson

Art Briles

Gary Patterson

James Franklin

All good coaches w/o the baggage and risk of Petrino. Aub can get any of em.

Chris Peterson isn't coming. We took Chizik over Gary Patterson last time. I'm sure he probably holds a grudge for it. Have you ever seen an Art Briles team play defense? Neither has he. Franklin? Over Petrino? Look I know he has baggage but he's probably the best COACH for us to pursue. If we can't get either of the Fisher's we best come away with him. Gus needs to be the worst case.

I'd rather hire a coord than Gus. Unless he's bringing Cam Newton2 w/ him his gimmicks are not the answer.

Briles is at Baylor dude. It's a minor miracle he's able to field competent football teams in that hole. Pair him w/ a top shelf DC recruiting SEC talent and that can work and work well. $ washes grudges away. At some point Peterson is going to jump ship to the big time and it doesn't get any bigger than here.

If you think Petrino is riskier than those names I strongly disagree. If Auburn hires Petrino, what are you scared of happening?

He continues his shady ways, only this time under a cloak of secrecy instead of out in the open......i don't think his love for motorcycles and lust for blondes ended in 6 months..recruiting is critical in the SEC, particularly defensive recruiting, teams will have a field day recruiting against him and even though he is a great offensive coach, he will need a top knotch defense to compete consistently with the top SEC teams.....

When has any of that effected him in the past? 75-26 at Arkansas and Louisville. Basketball schools.

Maybe if he was not flirting around with blondes and bikes he might have a BCS title or an SEC championship game appearance....and he has not made much effort in building a legit SEC defense....

[leglessdan 1,934]

I am not promising you Petrino won't overcome all of this and be successful in the future. Perhaps he will. This is Auburn. Auburn is a power. Petrino is a risk we don't need to take at this point.

Risks are for the Kentucky's and Vanderbilt's of the world.

Did you just watch the iron bowl?!? We got plastered 49-0! You don't think we need to take a risk right now?!? Are you kidding me? Let's just keep doing what we are doing. We got the sec right where we want them. This makes sense to you?!?

0 SEC wins means the loser we got has to go.

Aub will be the best job available this offseason and a top 10 or 15 job nationally. No we don't need to take risks. The best available candidates will be interested.

If there is a better candidate than Petrino I'm all for him. I just can't find one.

Chris Peterson

Art Briles

Gary Patterson

James Franklin

All good coaches w/o the baggage and risk of Petrino. Aub can get any of em.

Chris Peterson isn't coming. We took Chizik over Gary Patterson last time. I'm sure he probably holds a grudge for it. Have you ever seen an Art Briles team play defense? Neither has he. Franklin? Over Petrino? Look I know he has baggage but he's probably the best COACH for us to pursue. If we can't get either of the Fisher's we best come away with him. Gus needs to be the worst case.

I'd rather hire a coord than Gus. Unless he's bringing Cam Newton2 w/ him his gimmicks are not the answer.

Briles is at Baylor dude. It's a minor miracle he's able to field competent football teams in that hole. Pair him w/ a top shelf DC recruiting SEC talent and that can work and work well. $ washes grudges away. At some point Peterson is going to jump ship to the big time and it doesn't get any bigger than here.

If you think Petrino is riskier than those names I strongly disagree. If Auburn hires Petrino, what are you scared of happening?

He continues his shady ways, only this time under a cloak of secrecy instead of out in the open......i don't think his love for motorcycles and lust for blondes ended in 6 months..recruiting is critical in the SEC, particularly defensive recruiting, teams will have a field day recruiting against him and even though he is a great offensive coach, he will need a top knotch defense to compete consistently with the top SEC teams.....

When has any of that effected him in the past? 75-26 at Arkansas and Louisville. Basketball schools.

Maybe if he was not flirting around with blondes and bikes he might have a BCS title or an SEC championship game appearance....and he has not made much effort in building a legit SEC defense....

How long we gonna beat this dead horse???

[AUBourne 425]

Until everyone agrees with him that going 10-2 and 11-2 in the SEC West while at Arkansas is not hard.

[Gr8t2baub 0]

I am not promising you Petrino won't overcome all of this and be successful in the future. Perhaps he will. This is Auburn. Auburn is a power. Petrino is a risk we don't need to take at this point.

Risks are for the Kentucky's and Vanderbilt's of the world.

Did you just watch the iron bowl?!? We got plastered 49-0! You don't think we need to take a risk right now?!? Are you kidding me? Let's just keep doing what we are doing. We got the sec right where we want them. This makes sense to you?!?

0 SEC wins means the loser we got has to go.

Aub will be the best job available this offseason and a top 10 or 15 job nationally. No we don't need to take risks. The best available candidates will be interested.

If there is a better candidate than Petrino I'm all for him. I just can't find one.

Chris Peterson

Art Briles

Gary Patterson

James Franklin

All good coaches w/o the baggage and risk of Petrino. Aub can get any of em.

Chris Peterson isn't coming. We took Chizik over Gary Patterson last time. I'm sure he probably holds a grudge for it. Have you ever seen an Art Briles team play defense? Neither has he. Franklin? Over Petrino? Look I know he has baggage but he's probably the best COACH for us to pursue. If we can't get either of the Fisher's we best come away with him. Gus needs to be the worst case.

I'd rather hire a coord than Gus. Unless he's bringing Cam Newton2 w/ him his gimmicks are not the answer.

Briles is at Baylor dude. It's a minor miracle he's able to field competent football teams in that hole. Pair him w/ a top shelf DC recruiting SEC talent and that can work and work well. $ washes grudges away. At some point Peterson is going to jump ship to the big time and it doesn't get any bigger than here.

If you think Petrino is riskier than those names I strongly disagree. If Auburn hires Petrino, what are you scared of happening?

He continues his shady ways, only this time under a cloak of secrecy instead of out in the open......i don't think his love for motorcycles and lust for blondes ended in 6 months..recruiting is critical in the SEC, particularly defensive recruiting, teams will have a field day recruiting against him and even though he is a great offensive coach, he will need a top knotch defense to compete consistently with the top SEC teams.....

When has any of that effected him in the past? 75-26 at Arkansas and Louisville. Basketball schools.

Maybe if he was not flirting around with blondes and bikes he might have a BCS title or an SEC championship game appearance....and he has not made much effort in building a legit SEC defense....

How long we gonna beat this dead horse???

Exactly. He has been messin around with blondes and bikes. And he has never had a good defense. And he has never had a top 10 recruiting class. And he has won 75% of his games. And the really crazy thing is we just lose 49-0 AND PEOPLE STILL DON'T WANT HIM!

[Quietmaninthecorner 2,032]

Don't judge the man because he sins differently than you.

Hire Bobby Petrino.

[kickerman97 3]

Don't judge the man because he sins differently than you.

Hire Bobby Petrino.

A lot of us are not judging anyone. We are refusing to be ok with hiring someone who screwed the last school he was at. Why can't people understand that?

[yeaauburn 21]

I'm going to throw this out for consumption...not going to quote anyone nor am I going to site a source other than I heard that BP is on JR's payroll. You figure out the rest...

[Tee_It_Up_AU_TIGERS 5]

Yella Fella?

[Gr8t2baub 0]

Don't judge the man because he sins differently than you.

Hire Bobby Petrino.

A lot of us are not judging anyone. We are refusing to be ok with hiring someone who screwed the last school he was at. Why can't people understand that?

How did he screw Arkansas? He took them to the sugar bowl. I'd bet plenty that Jeff Long knew about his affair with Dorrell when he hired her but didn't care because he's a great coach. If you want a coach that has screwed over a school look at Auburn's coaches since Dye. Arkansas fans should be eternally grateful he coached there, because he gave them something they'll probably never have again. A top 10 program. I bet everyone in Fayetteville would take him back right now.

[yeaauburn 21]

Yella Fella?

+1

[PoetTiger 1,901]

Petrino is the best, most proven hc that we can realisticially get and yet people don't want him. He is probably one of the 5 best coaches in cfb, period. Heck, after what I witnessed tonight, I'd hire his kitty cat, mr. Sweetwiggles.

Absolutely. Well said. And the thing that baffles me is why would someone not want him? "He would leave in the middle of the night". If he did, our program would be a helluva lot better than it is right now and we'd have some wins over teams that we aren't competitive with now. "It would hurt Auburn's reputation". Auburn's reputation, like it or not, is a school that needs to go buy another quarterback. Read Espn and yahoo if you want to know Auburn's rep. I'm all for hurting it. "He's a liar and won't be able to recruit". He never had top 20 classes a Arkansas and hung 40 on us every year. "He can't beat Saban". Neither can anyone except Les Miles. Do you want him? Am I forgetting any?

We could wake up this time next week with a top 5 coach. I have no idea why people are opposed to that.

I don't think he'd leave in the middle of the night. Cripes he's wanted to get here since 2003. I don't give a rip about reputation. I care about winning period.

Scandals like this change people and affect their ability to succeed professionally moving forward. He's no longer a slam dunk. At this point he's high risk high reward. It could absolutely play out the way you think it will but there is high risk that it won't, risk we don't need to take.

You think Petrino is riskier than Briles or Franklin?

Yes.

If we hired any of the 4 guys you named, I can see them sucking. They may not, but it definitely wouldn't surprise me. I've never seen Petrino not be successful. I don't see a scandal changing his coaching ability.

You've never seen Petrino rebuild a program carrying the kind of baggage he's toting around these days.

No but I've seen him coach bcs bowls at Arkansas and Louisville. I don't think this scandal will affect his play calling. If he is that good while juggling all his women, imagine if he focused...

?? Who brought up his play calling? I have already answered as to my opinion on this. The effect would be on recruiting, explained a coupla/3 pages back.

Nothing is absolute about how this would play out.

If he is hired I hope he is as successful as you are sure he will be.

He's never been successful recruiting. He's never been successful defensively. He's always been successful winning games. How would a scandal change that?

I would not say he has been unsuccessful recruiting, he has always had an elite QB and receivers. However IMO to win championships he has to become more in line with recruiting like a Saban or Chizik for that matter....

[Tee_It_Up_AU_TIGERS 5]

Yella Fella?

+1

Well I hope this is true...............

[AUpocalypse 12]

Yella Fella?

+1

Well I hope this is true...............

If that's true... It has to just be some kind of deposit or payoff to wait out the process while JR & co. make their case to everyone else who are supportive of others. BP will not be the next AU HC unless something more drastic than that happens.

[yeaauburn 21]

Yella Fella?

+1

Well I hope this is true...............

If that's true... It has to just be some kind of deposit or payoff to wait out the process while JR & co. make their case to everyone else who are supportive of others. BP will not be the next AU HC unless something more drastic than that happens.

Good try...I don't accept your rationalization.